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New dog - he will not sleep!!

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Shitmyhairdressersays · 28/01/2018 17:20

We got 15 month old doggy just before the weekend.
His previous owner kept him in an outdoor pen with two other dogs.
So..he isn't remotely housetrained and is also un-neutered so keeps marking everywhere.
It's becoming apparent that he has absolutely no training so everything is like brand new.
He has barely slept since he arrived and cries nonstop if I leave the room. I am trying to crate training him. He freaked right out in there.
I am booking him in to neuter him as soon as the Vet can do it.
I have a Thundershirt for him and an Adaptil collar (I got both today to try and calm him) and he's been walked for hours today to try and knacker him out.
I'm shattered and dreading tonight

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rightsaidfrederickII · 28/01/2018 18:14

It does sound like you've had a rough weekend. It's good that you've tried to tire him out, as he will have to sleep eventually, but I also suspect that he's running on a mixture of adrenaline and anxiety right now.

If you try and sit down quietly but not directly interact with him (e.g. read a book) does he quieten down a bit?

Make sure you do your reading on crate training if you haven't already; you can't just bung a dog in and shut the door behind him. Similarly, don't expect neutering to be a cure all.

Once he has bonded with you a bit, get him down to training classes; I found them very helpful when I started with a dog that was about your dog's age and totally untrained but used to living indoors.

Best of luck, and it is uphill work but also upwards from here on in!

Chippyway · 28/01/2018 18:19

You need to treat him like a tiny pup. Circumstances are the same - he’s been brought away from everything he knows and put into an environment where he knows nothing and nobody. He’s going to be scared, lonely and sad. He is also untrained so you need to start at stage 1

Take him out every half hour and after every meal/drink/Play, give lots of praise and treats when he does something. Given his age it will not take long for him to get the hang of toilet training

I would also get rid of crate training. He’s too old personally. No wonder he freaked out.

Sleep downstairs with him until he gets used to the environment. He needs comforting. He needs to build the trust with you

Lots of walks, play time etc to build a relationship together. Training classes.

I don’t recommend getting him done yet either. You need to learn more about him. If he’s a nervous dog, any decent vet wouldn’t neuter him anyway.

missbattenburg · 28/01/2018 18:40

Honestly, it sounds a bit like you might be going a bit too fast for him. Easy to do when they are adult dogs because we have different expectations of them than of puppies.

Take the crate training. If you have only had him a few days and he has never been trained before and kept outside then asking him to be in the crate is far too soon. If he would dash in and out just to grab a treat from in there, that would be great progress in my eyes.

Does he sleep if you are by his side? If so, can he sleep in your room for a few nights while he settles or can you sleep downstairs with him for a bit? These are the kinds of things you do with puppies in their first few nights and I would suggest you treat him exactly as if he were an 8 weeks old pup. Lots of soothing stroking and soft words, like with a baby. Even better if you can do all this with him where you want him to sleep eventually.

Clinging to new owner's side is a fairly typical behaviour for rescue dogs, at least at first. He will need work to slowly build up his confidence away from you. Baby gates can help because he can see/hear/smell you but be contained in a neighbouring room. Give him lots of treats and toys in his room so he can slowly learn to enjoy himself away from you. Do lots of leaving him in a room with a treat for a few seconds on his own before returning - all builds up experience of him being ok without you.

In all honestly, neutering sounds like a gamble. It has a real risk of making the behaviours you have described worse:

  • being taken away from you for a worrying experience may make him even more clingy when he gets back
  • having his testosterone removed may leave him much more nervous
  • it may stop the marking but probably won't, neutered males mark and by now it may be habit with him, which means it is not chemically driven and so neutering won't make a difference

It's tough because you have all the challenge of a puppy, but in a fully grown dog. He's going to need patience, perseverance and kindness to get where you want him to be.

user1494670108 · 28/01/2018 21:35

My lurcher was House trained so that was easier but he freaked when I popped him in the crate and left the room the first night we got him.
I ended up sleeping on the sofa with him on the floor in front of me, gradually I moved the bed nearer the crate (I got him half in and half out but abandoned the idea). After a few days (4 I think?), I moved my bed to the dining room and left his bed in the other room after another couple of nights I snuck upstairs in the middle of the night and within about 8-10 days I was upstairs and he was down.
However, a few weeks later we hired a holiday House and he slept in with us and has done so ever since!
Essentially the point I'm making is that he's been through such a lot you need to reassure him and once he gets used to new owner, new House, new rules etc then do a gradual retreat.

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