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Incontinent elderly dog

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cakietea · 30/12/2017 11:05

I have a terrier who will be 16 in May next year. I have had her since a pup.

She has often had accidents in the last year which up until recently have not been an issue, however for the past couple of months she is walking in it and there is litererally dog poo everywhere, all over the floor, over her, over her blanket. This occurs almost every night despite her being let out frequently inc last thing at night. The clean up is ok as the flooring can take it, but it is really getting me down having to clean the dog, basket and floor of stinking poo every morning before work.

Her eyesight is very poor if not gone, her day is spent sleeping or walking around and around. She still enjoys a short walk, however has gone from being a lapdog to not wanting any fuss, if I put my hand to stroke her she will try and nip, last year she bit my finger which needed hospital treatment. It appears when she nips that she thinks I am giving her food, it’s not a vicious nip iyswim. She does have three small meals a day and is not underweight, although she does constantly “beg” for food if we are eating.

I have seen the vet, they agree it is probably dementia, she does not have bowel or bladder issues. They have offered some more tests which will cost around £250, but I am not sure if that will be too distressing and only tell us what we already know - it’s old age / dementia. I have tried changing her diet, at night I put her in a puppy pen so at least the poo is contained.

She is a physically healthy dog in other ways, and I am baulking at having the conversation with the vet about euthanasia as it seems heartless just because I’m fed up with cleaning up dog shit and pee every day although this is upsetting me, I feel like crying every morning when I see the mess.

Is there anyone who has experienced this who can give me some guidance or suggestions?

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TooManyButtons · 30/12/2017 11:13

I'm in the same situation. My Yorkie has just turned 15. He's always been a dick with (lack of) house-training - he'd be out in the garden, come inside, pee on the rug then go back outside - but it's got to the point where I can't cope any longer.

It's not so much the poo marbles he constantly leaves everywhere, it's the pee. I'm constantly mopping and changing bedding, the house stinks and my wood floor is ruined. In addition he's deaf, his eyesight is failing and I'm pretty sure he has dementia. But he doesn't appear physically 'ill' which is why it seems hard to consider euthanasia.

LizzieSiddal · 30/12/2017 14:38

Oh I do feel for you. My 15 year old isn’t at the incontinence stage yet but everything else you’ve mentioned is happening.

It just makes me so sad that she spends her days sleeping or wandering around looking anxious, she hates gong for walks.Sad. She used to love company and cuddles but doesn’t like to sit near anyone. I’ve been to the vets but she seemed to think she was doing well for her age. But I don’t think it’s any way to live.

I can understand you saying you cry everyday, with all the poo etc. I’d be the same.

MiaowTheCat · 30/12/2017 18:33

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cakietea · 30/12/2017 19:12

Miaow - how old was your Ddog? I don’t have a problem with cleaning up the poo and wee it is the walking in it, and then going in the basket, getting that covered and lying in it so the dog, bedding and floor all need washing. She goes to doggy day care when I am at work so it may be the Christmas break and being out of her routine has made it worse, but it really is heartbreaking not to have cuddles and wagging tails any more. She is also weak in her back legs, I think she had some sort of mini stroke in September and it has been happening since then. The cynic in me thinks the vet can’t really do anything to help with her pooing and walking in it, but would be happy for me to pay for lots of tests which would tell us what we already know - she has dementia.

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retirednow · 30/12/2017 19:19

Poor you and doggy, can she wear pads instead which would keep her clean, she probably doesn't like being covered in poo and wee either.

Frouby · 30/12/2017 19:24

At this point I would be having her pts.

The poo she will find distressing if she has previously been clean. She will know she is dirty. She is probably confused and might be in pain. Dogs are generally pretty stoic with pain.

What can you hope for at her age? Another 6 months of this? Always better a day too early than a day too late.

And I say that as an animal lover and owner who made a similar decision earlier this year. Flowers

BattleCuntGalactica · 30/12/2017 19:25

Dogs feel a loss of dignity too.

You can be physically okay aside from incontinence issues, but mentally and neurologically, not so much. It's so hard to let them go when they've been with us for so long, but in the last days when things like dementia hit, they don't always know who we are, where they are, or even that they have lost control of their bodily functions. It's hard to hear, I know. They get anxious and scared and don't know what's going on, and if she doesn't want to be touched and she nips, she might well be in a lot of pain. I would say it's time for you to say goodbye.

Ask your vet if they can come and do it at home where she's surrounded by familiarity.

cakietea · 30/12/2017 19:29

I don’t know if she would tolerate pads, I can’t get a coat on her any more, as she swings around and tries to nip, and surely with pads that makes it difficult to clean up - relating it to changing a pooey nappy!

I keep thinking about having her pts, but it feels very shallow to do this because of cleaning up poo, I didn’t think that it could also be making her unhappy, although these days she just has one mood - confused, so would be difficult to tell.

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Woodenhillmum · 30/12/2017 19:30

My dog is 14 and now wears nappies for wee accidents . I can deal with this and he doesn’t seem bothered but I know I would struggle if it was poo. My heart goes out to you x

GertrudeCB · 30/12/2017 19:33

Please don't feel bad for considering PTS, quality of life is important and it's the last kindest thing you can do for a dog in distress, even if it breaks your heart Flowers

ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs · 30/12/2017 19:41

cakie I'm a vet, and I see this a lot, sadly. My own ddog had dementia for the last year of his life, and like you I cleaned up and baulked at the thought of euthanasia. It got so he had to be contained in the hall as anywhere else he got distressed and paced constantly. When I saw him in the garden pacing up and down and up and down the same strip, I made the decision.
Part of a dogs quality of life is the relationship they have with their owner. Losing that is distressing for both of you, so although your dog may not be in physical pain, her quality of life isn't what it was.
If I was your vet I would be talking to you about possibly trying some of the drugs designed for cognitive dysfunction in dogs (Vivitonin, Selgian etc), but I would make it clear that euthanasia would not be the "wrong" option. It's so so hard, but I would urge you not to feel guilty of that was the option you chose. It's not about cleaning up poo, it's about the loss of the wee dog you knew and loved, and the relationship you had. A dogs quality of life is best judged by the owner. I would not judge you, and hopefully your own vet will be able to help you sympathetically with this situation. Flowers

Pringlemunchers · 30/12/2017 19:57

I was in your situation. It is heart breaking isn't. I don't really know what to say, just that I feel your pain. ( I have just deleted a long post Regarding my dog ). But you need to know that you must do it when it is right for you. I never believed this to be true. But you will know. Xxxx

MiaowTheCat · 30/12/2017 21:58

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AfunaMbatata · 30/12/2017 22:00

Get the poor thing PTS Flowers

Zaphodsotherhead · 02/01/2018 20:35

Mine old girl is nearly 14, and perfectly clean and dry during the day. At night, however, she will paddle downstairs, pee and pooh on the carpet, then back up to her bed. Bloody terriers....

Bellamuerte · 02/01/2018 20:46

I love my dog so much, I couldn't part with her just because she was incontinent. My grandmother was incontinent in her later years and we didn't get rid of her. It seems so heartless to put your beloved companion to sleep just because she's old. My previous dog sat on an old blanket when she became elderly and wore a nappy when necessary.

BattleCuntGalactica · 02/01/2018 20:56

@Bellamuerte but what about how your dog would feel? It's about what's best for the dog, not how much you would miss them because you can't bear to part ways.

Norfolklassie · 13/04/2018 00:14

Update

DDog rallied for a while, I changed my work base and managed to go home to her every two hours to let her out, although there were some mornings with a mess to clean up things did improve for a whiles.

Last two days have been awful, and today she has been pooing jelly like blood, and also pure blood, I phoned the vet and after a long discussion have decided that it’s time.

I wanted one last day with her, and want it done at home, so tomorrow I will be saying goodbye to my faithful friend of 15 years - almost 16. I’ve tried to cuddle her tonight and she’s not having any of it; I should go to bed, but I don’t want to leave her alone on her last night, even if she doesn’t know what’s going on.

Norfolklassie · 13/04/2018 00:25

Sorry, Hope name change doesn’t confuse

eggcellent · 13/04/2018 00:32

Really sorry to hear that, but it definitely sounds like you are making the right decision for your dog, you hung on for as long as you could but it's time Thanks

Norfolklassie · 14/04/2018 09:28

My little dog was put to sleep yesterday.
She looked peaceful and at rest at the end, I held her when she feel asleep and stayed with her till the end, and afterwards for a while, kissed her goodbye and told her I would miss her forever. The vet was very nice and kind to her and me, her head was wet from me crying, my partner was crying as well - what a absolutely shit day. The house is empty today Sad

Goldenhedgehogs · 17/04/2018 00:10

Norfolk, I am so sorry, your love for your dog shone out in your posts. You made a heartbreaking decision because you loved your dog, don't doubt yourself it was the right one x

Cheripie64 · 18/04/2018 16:17

Definitely the right decision Flowers

Rowgtfc72 · 22/04/2018 08:45

Norfolk Flowers
She'll know she was loved and at the end of the day that's all we can do.

My 16 yr old jrt wees everywhere. I'm the mopping queen. Also blind so nips occasionally thinking I'm food. Mines lively some days eats but very thin.
Vet says quality not quantity now so
we've set a date for the end of May.

I'll stay with my old girl too. It's the least I could do.

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