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100% outside dog. Cruel?

21 replies

danslenoir · 27/09/2017 23:20

When I was a teenager we got a doberman who I loved dearly. He died aged 8 when I was at uni from a degenerative disease of some sort.

Now my mum, 11 years on, wants to get another Doberman.

Problem is, our old dog was never allowed in the house, even in the depths of winter he was banished to his kennel. He used to lay by the garden door and sleep on the doormat - I assume because it was the closest to us in the living room as he got. My mum said she didn't want a dog scratching her floorboards and getting hair and dirt everywhere Sad She also plans to continue to work full time (my step dad also works full time) with a new dog meaning no one will be in the house from 7.30am-6pm and dog left to his/her own devices in the garden all day.

I have a dog now in my own home and he's an inside dog. He jumps up on the sofa for cuddles and even sometimes sneaks in to our bed for a Sunday morning lie in. I'm at home most of the time too so my dog isn't on his own for long stretches of time and when I know no one will be home for 4hrs+ we send him to Doggy daycare for the day or get a dog walker in. I often think about my old dog and think what a sad and lonely existence he had suffered.

Should I tell my mum she is cruel and not bother getting another dog if it's just going to spend its life outside the whole time and be left for 9-10hours a day on its own??

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plannedshock · 27/09/2017 23:29

Yes you should tell your mum exactly that.
Genuinely, what is the actual point of having a dog? It's absolutely tipping it down where I am at the moment, definitely wouldn't leave my dog outside all night.
I know some kennels are amazing, and loads of dogs are kept out at night, I don't see the point if she's at work all day too?! So she would just get a dog for an hour or so of interaction as long as there was no dog hair?

NoCryLilSoftSoft · 27/09/2017 23:31

I genuinely don't understand the point of having a dog you never see, pet, talk to, engage with, enjoy. What is the point? What does she want a dog for? Is it for a guard dog? A burglar detterant? If so she should just get a sign saying beware of the dog. She doesn't need the actual dog.

danslenoir · 27/09/2017 23:36

Yep nocry I think her main reason is a guard dog. But our old Doberman was such a soft touch he'd rather chase butterflies than bark at a stranger.

I said to her I'd report her to the RSPCA if she got another dog. Just seems to unfair and cruel. And you're right, completely pointless if he or she is just receiving 1 hour of interaction a day!!

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Wolfiefan · 27/09/2017 23:36

YES. Do!
She can't get a pup then go out to work full time. No decent breeder would allow a pup to go to this set up. So she's looking at a dog from a puppy farm. Even without the major concerns for the wellbeing of the breeding dogs she could end up with a VERY ill dog.
Dog theft is real.
A dog left in the garden may escape or bark. Major issues with the neighbour.
And yes. It's cruel. Bloody cruel. She should get a goldfish if she doesn't want the hair!

Wolfiefan · 27/09/2017 23:37

A guard dog? So not a pet? She's doubly idiotic. Tell her to get an alarm on the house instead.

NoCryLilSoftSoft · 27/09/2017 23:38

Tell her to invest in outside security lighting, good window and door locks if she needs to replace her current ones. A zoneable alarm system and a CCTV camera. Secure house + no neglected dogs = win win.

CornflakeHomunculus · 28/09/2017 01:04

Dobes are very active, very intelligent and very sensitive dogs. They're not going to cope well with being left alone in a garden for such a long time every day. They need lots of physical exercise, they need plenty of mental stimulation and they need human interaction. As well as being completely unfair on the dog a bored and/or unhappy dog will quickly become very vocal, destructive or both.

If she's not convinced that it wouldn't be fair on the dog in terms of its mental wellbeing could you put her off with practicalities? They're not a breed that's physically suited to living outside. They're predominantly single coated which means that in order to comfortable outside they would need a properly heated kennel. I imagine that wouldn't be cheap either to build or to run. They're very athletic dogs and I would also guess they may be likely to attract the wrong sort of attention so the garden or kennel would need to be absolutely safe and secure both in terms of keeping the dog in and keeping would be thieves out.

As Wolfiefan says, no decent breeder is going to let a puppy go to live in such a set up. The kind of breeders who will let her have a puppy are not the sort who will have very carefully bred with sound temperament and good health at the forefront of their plans. That's not a good thing with any breed but in the case of one originally bred for personal protection and which is riddled with a devastating heart problem causing scores of premature deaths (that is predicted to affect almost 75% of Dobes by 2020, 100% by 2039 unless something drastic happens within the breed) the results could be disastrous.

Shambolical1 · 28/09/2017 10:29

Yes.

danslenoir · 28/09/2017 10:31

Cornflake what I'm worried about is she's already owned a dobie before under the same circumstances she's proposing now (left outside all day and night and working full time). Do I track down all the breeders and warn them in advance of my mum?

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Cruciatus · 28/09/2017 10:33

Dogs are pack animals, they need to be with their pack (ie you or your mum) not outside alone. How cruel.

NataliaOsipova · 28/09/2017 10:33

My mum said she didn't want a dog scratching her floorboards and getting hair and dirt everywhere

I would feel like that too. Which is (one of the reasons) why I would never want to have a dog. But having a dog inside your house is part of the territory of having one at all, surely? I'm not a dog lover - quite the opposite - but it seems awfully cruel to have one kept outside all the time.

SparklingRaspberry · 28/09/2017 15:09

Broke my heart reading how the dog would sit by the door Sad

Please tell your mum not to get another dog

If she doesn't want dog hair then don't get a dog.

My dog is part of my family. Yes there's fur everywhere if I don't Hoover and more often than not I find a dog hair in my dinner, her toys are everywhere and she leaves paw prints on my clean floor but I wouldn't change any of that for the world

CornflakeHomunculus · 28/09/2017 16:44

Do I track down all the breeders and warn them in advance of my mum?

If you think she'd try and fool a decent breeder into giving her a puppy then it's worth getting in touch with the relevant breed club and letting them know. It's not unusual to see warnings circulating around breed communities when there's someone dishonestly trying to obtain puppies.

Unfortunately though she'll probably be able to find someone dodgy who'd be happy to sell her a pup even if she's completely honest about how she intends to keep it Sad

Wolfiefan · 28/09/2017 17:44

An unsocialised, bored, untrained Doberman. That's a recipe for disaster. No decent breeder will touch this situation. A puppy farmer won't give a shit unfortunately.

honeyroar · 29/09/2017 03:52

I once stayed in a high hotel, it looked down on some houses with gardens. One had a dog in the garden/outhouse. The poor dog sat on the doorstep gazing in all day - every time I looked out it was there. Occasionally it went crazy wagging at the door - someone had come in, but they never opened the door. I felt so sorry for it. Poor lonely thing.

Dogs are pack animals. Tell her she's selfish and cruel. And if she gets one, go and get it and take it to a rescue, every bloody time, until the stupid woman uses her brain. Sorry For speaking about your mum that way, but grrrr!!

Raizel · 29/09/2017 05:03

She shouldn't get a dog that's the end of it.

TBH it's the same with my MIL she is a lovely person but should not have another dog when hers dies because she will ruin it like she has this one, overweight, aggressive, scared of children, territorial, food guarding and not enough exercise and it's a shame because when she was younger she was a lovely dog. We told MIL she shouldn't get another dog and she kicked off saying she will do what she wants etc so we told her if she gets another dog we will report her for animal cruelty till it gets taken off her, FIL luckily agreed so she will not be ruining another lovely dog.

AnUtterIdiot · 30/09/2017 13:13

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Nancy91 · 30/09/2017 16:50

That is very cruel. Dogs need company. They need to be warm. They crave attention and affection.

The dog wouldn't be a great guard dog, what does it actually have to guard? He won't bond with your parents, and he won't see the house or anything in it as his. I can't see him guarding anything.

The guard dog idea is shit anyway.

The idea of your mother getting a dog is shit, I hope you can stop her, you sound like a compassionate person.

QueenBeex · 30/09/2017 16:56

So if she's at work, and the dog will be in the garden 24/7 what is the point of having a dog? Does she plan on sitting in the garden every evening when she's home? It's cruel.

NoCryLilSoftSoft · 30/09/2017 18:18

It must give dogs some kind of mental breakdown to be left permanently outside staring at a back door waiting for human interaction day in, day out. It's mental torture. Aside from the physical impact.

honeyroar · 30/09/2017 20:28

Yes it probably does. Especially as they're pack animals and need company by nature. It's like a lifetime in prison. People are so thoughtless and selfish when it comes to getting pets.☹️

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