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Have you heard of Neosporosis?

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CallMeDollFace · 26/09/2017 17:40

Inspired from another thread. Just wondering, if you walk your dog on farmland, have you heard of this disease? Here's a link:

www.countryfile.com/news/neosporosis-hidden-danger-dogs-pose-cattle

I'm interested as to how many dog owners even know about it?

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CallMeDollFace · 26/09/2017 17:40

www.countryfile.com/news/neosporosis-hidden-danger-dogs-pose-cattle

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Lonecatwithkitten · 26/09/2017 20:50

In very rare cases it affects dogs too most commonly in puppies.

CallMeDollFace · 27/09/2017 19:08

Hopeful bump. Only one person so far.

Where do you stand on clearing up dog poo from farmland footpaths? Does it feel less necessary than clearing pavements or playgrounds?

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CatastropheKate · 27/09/2017 19:10

People leave dog shit all over our fields, really pisses me off, lazy lazy lazy, and the dogs shouldn't even be there anyway. Selfish entitled wankers.

CatastropheKate · 27/09/2017 19:10

And yes, have heard of it.

CornflakeHomunculus · 27/09/2017 19:13

I've heard of it, there are signs up about it on stiles accessing farmland footpaths round here.

I always pick up poo wherever we're walking unless there's an explicit "stick and flick" policy. Unfortunately there seem to be a lot of people locally who don't bother, despite the signs.

CallMeDollFace · 27/09/2017 19:13

Yes, Kate, that's similar to my experience. But I'm hoping that if more people knew that it carried a disease which causes animals to die that they would be more inclined to do something about it.

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CallMeDollFace · 27/09/2017 19:15

The 'stick and flick' is actually worse from a farming perspective because the poo gets flicked from the path onto the pasture!

Was that an NT campaign? I'm not sure where that came from?

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reallyanotherone · 27/09/2017 19:22

From a farming point of view is dog shit any worse than fox? Or do you think it’s cummulative?

The stick and flick thing i remember reading was because the amount of plastic poo bags in bins was having a fairly major impact environmentally. Just poo will decompose fairly quickly, poo wrapped in plastic will take years. That’s not to mention the abomination that is poo bag trees.

The farmland here is arable, is that different from a stick and flick pov than pasture? Not that it matters to me, my idiot dog will only poo in the safety of its own garden, and i usually flush it rather than clog up bins and landfill.

CornflakeHomunculus · 27/09/2017 19:23

I'm not sure where it originally came from but I've walked somewhere (can't remember where now) where there were signs suggesting it.

None of my usual walking areas have the "stick and flick" signs and I've certainly never seen it on or near farmland, only in fairly remote woods with very thick undergrowth to flick into.

CallMeDollFace · 27/09/2017 19:54

No definitive evidence on foxes as it stands. It's a good question though. As for arable farmland - it won't be an issue in terms of spreading disease to cattle, obviously, but I suppose it's still not a very palatable idea, that dog 💩 ends up in the wheat.

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Oops4 · 27/09/2017 20:03

I hadn't heard much about it until I saw the other post (assuming it's the same one). From what I've read (happy to be corrected) it seems like although the odd dog poo will be responsible for spread (assuming that cattle happen to come into contact with poo from an infected dog) it seems more likely that it's being spread more by foxes and throughout herds.

Saying that, I would never let my dog run through fields or across farmland. It's just bad manners and not safe for the cattle or my dog.

I can sort of see the rationale for the stick and flick. It was introduced to avoid the masses of bags being left. I suppose if you are very off path, through woodland or up a hill etc, the need to pick it up is probably less, especially considering that there are wild animals leaving faeces. So flicking it into undergrowth rather than carrying a bag for several hours is probably fine. But not along paths or in farmland. Dogs running off lead wherever they like annoys me for many reasons including that it's a convenient way for their owners to deny any knowledge of where they are pooing.

I'm probably sticking my neck out a bit because I know raw feeding is all the rage but the spread of bacteria/parasites etc is one of the big things that put me off.

georgedawes · 27/09/2017 20:05

I know about it and always clear up after my dog no matter where we go. I think the people that don't are the same knobs who let their dog shit on the pavement tbh.

My dog is an MRD1 carrier so probably more at risk herself from the sheep and cattle pop, I have to watch her closely on walks!

Oops4 · 27/09/2017 20:14

Just to clarify having re-read my post...........I've never not picked up after my dog and always would. Just that I can see the odd situation where it may not be necessary

Medeci · 27/09/2017 20:15

I'm probably sticking my neck out a bit because I know raw feeding is all the rage but the spread of bacteria/parasites etc is one of the big things that put me off.

Don't be put off Smile.
Freezing raw meat for 24 hrs kills parasites, including neospora.

Oops4 · 27/09/2017 20:22

Only some. There are many bacteria not killed by freezing, they just become dormant until thawed. Even if the bacteria are not likely to be harmful to the dog, they could be harmful if passed to humans and other animals in the faeces. And with a dog who loves to surprise you with a kiss and two young kids it's just not for me.

CallMeDollFace · 27/09/2017 20:29

Didn't know raw food was all the rage! My poor dog is stuck with dog biscuits I'm afraid.

In terms of neosporosis, I'm asking because we are trying to reduce the numbers of deaths on our dairy farm from this disease.

I'm making signs for the footpaths to raise awareness. My feeling is that some people won't pick up after their dogs, no matter what we do. But most, I think, would, if they realised the dangers.

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CatastropheKate · 28/09/2017 22:42

This has just popped up on my facebook feed (Storersmith Simmentals if you want to see the photos) so have c&p below

These two lovely older ladies are Vanity and Bramble. If they were humans, Vanity would be approaching old age, and Bramble would, like me, be the wrong side of middle age.
Vanity is a worldly-wise cow. She has had seven calves; including two daughters who are still in the herd, and her last two bulls who are alive, well and living the dream. We purchased her with her second calf at foot as a daughter of one of our foundation cows, and she has been part of the herd's ruling dynasty ever since. She's a gentle soul - not the most tactile of animals - but quietly classy, an excellent mother, and our oldest cow.
Bramble was one of our first registered calves in 2010. She is a rare genetic line- her mother was also one of our foundation cows, who only gave us one heifer. She has bred four calves; two bulls, (both of whom were sale champions), and two heifers, the oldest of which has just had her first calf. Bramble fancies herself as a bit of a matriarch - although she's only the herd's fourth oldest cow, the three that are older don't care enough to want to be in charge.
Both of these cows lost their calves in late pregnancy and have been culled today because someone walking on the public footpath through our field couldn't be bothered to pick up their dog poo.
In spite of informative signs at both ends of the footpath, spelling out the details of what neospora is (a parasite), where it's found (dog poo), what it does (causes abortion), and how to prevent it (pick up dog poo) some delightful souls have chosen to let their dogs have a free rein through the field. Because they can. 'It's their right' as I was once told when I requested a free running dog be placed on a lead.
Neospora is a parasite carried by dogs. The disease can't be spread from cow to cow in the field; the only way it can be passed on is through ingesting the parasite or being born to a mother who is infected. When the cows graze, they can pick up neospora, which can cause them to abort their calves. But it doesn't stop there. For those that don't abort, the calf, should it be a female, will almost certainly also become infected in the womb, and remain so for life. So the cow can't breed replacement females as her females will carry the disease (meaning that her genetics die with her). And although bull calves are unaffected, the disease can cause repeat abortion year after year, which is distressing for both cows and humans. While neospora positive animals pose no danger to their field mates, the only sensible option for a pedigree breeding herd is to cull what is otherwise a healthy animal.
So, while the field may be empty at the moment (as another dog walker once pointed out), that doesn't mean it is not going to have in-calf, grazing cattle in it the next day. While we are not ecstatic that anyone can walk over our land, we do accept it.
BUT PLEASE HAVE THE BLOODY DECENCY TO PICK UP THE MESS YOUR DOG MAKES.
How can you consider yourself an animal lover if you are prepared to risk sacrificing an animal's life because you can't be bothered to pick it up?

CallMeDollFace · 29/09/2017 19:08

Oh no Kate 😢

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CallMeDollFace · 29/09/2017 19:08

It's very frustrating.

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