Puppy Survival thread part 4

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Puppy's getting bigger!: continuation of Bitey's thread. If anyone wants to join feel free.

Has anyone any advice for crate training a hyper wee furball? She's sat barking and jumping as though stalking one of her toys I only came down to fruitlessly try her for a wee again outside after she started crying (been twice during night already even though she prefers to whimper at my feet and wee once she's safely inside) She's now running all around the room occasionally biting me and jumping, oh and now wimpy barking. I don't want to leave her when she's upset but also don't want it to become a thing where every night she's hyper.

Ahh well she's just shat in the corner so that explains her crying. She's had ample time to go outside but doesn't seem to get thats where she does it yet. I've been taking her out near every half hour-hour during the day and when she does it inside just popping her outside and making it boring and just telling her to go potty each time, is there anything else anyone would suggest? She's had zero wees outside so I'm feeling a little defeated and exhausted.

Hokey and Filly sending positive vibes!

Thanks for being understanding and not shooting me down ! Have my parents visiting and my mother is more experienced with dogs& doggy behavior so she has been giving me tips so hopefully will help .She has two massive dogs ,one male and one female .The female is tolerating puppy's exuberant playing but the male is giving a growl every time pup approaches him and she doesn't seem to be taking the warning on board and leaving him alone.
I have her on (expandable)lead at all times with them and go to pull her away from him right away.Not sure what to do in that situation if I'm honest ,my mother just laughs and says 'oh he is just giving her a warning' and leaves rhe pup approach him again but as I said the growl isn't fazing the pup and she keeps going back to try and play with him again. Should I keep her away from him completely 100% for the time they are staying ?
I'm not sure what would be correct thanks again to everyone for all the tips and advice its very much appreciated and this thread is keeping me sane as I sit here at 5am questioning what the hell I've done

Hi mrsalllovertheplace I see you are up with a naughty pup too! Its very frustrating isn't it I feel as though I'm actually cracking up and regretting my decision at least 100 times a day if I'm completely honest which I feel so horribly about

We had several nights where pup settled in the crate after a few mins of crying and it was like a dream come true and then after three nights of that it was taking ages for her to settle in it to the point where she was crying and howling for ages and waking the kids up.She now will lie in the crate during the day and nap (door open)but ONLY if I'm in the room and I also put her in it when I leave the house for the school run and I close the door then and give her a Kong.

So she now sleeps in our room on the carpet and will have several periods during the night where she will tear around the house with a toy ,bark a handful of times ,chew something she shouldn't and will then settle down again.How I deal with these times is i dkbt turn on any main lights just a small lamp, I lie quietly on the couch with my phone and ignore her and leave her get the madness out! Once she calms all little I'll pet her gently talking quietly and play gently too and this seems to calm her massively. I'm trying to show her that night time is quiet time and then daytime is for lots of playing running around and noise! I'm probably doing it all wrong as I don't seem to know my arse from my elbow when it comes to dogs but im trying

Hi Bitey. He's attended puppy classes, and we meet dogs at various parks every day when I walk him, so I'd like to think he's well socialised. This was a first where he was aggressive to dogs. The only explanation I can have is that in our previous two visits to this park (last week) he met similarly aged puppies (a first for us, other than puppy school) and they rolled around like loons for 10 minutes. I'm wondering if he thought 'same park, same game' and was trying to make them do the same as the other puppies........ I'll see how today goes.

It's pretty pointless trying to do anything with a hyper pub during the manic phase. When Elfpup gets like this I tend to grab him, sweep him into a bear hug and walk around talking softly to him which calms him down very fast. If he's very bitey then I'll pick up a chew too and hold it where he can attack it not me!

The first few nights he slept in a closed crate in my bedroom. I've gradually moved it out and it's about to go downstairs. He generally settles with only a token whimper. I've not used the crate at all during the day - it's strictly a bedtime place and he's accepted this. During the day he sleeps on my feet...

BeTheHokeyMan I'd keep the pup well away from the grumpy adult. If he's not heeding the warning growl then he's liable to at best get a warning nip (which might not be a bad thing - it's what his mother would do to a bad mannered pup) but equally he could get badly bitten. I wouldn't take the risk

Thank elphame I was thinking along the same lines myself as the male is quite cranky in general with other dogs and as you said while a warning nip might do the job I personally feel that he would do damage

Great tip about the crate in your room and then gradually moving it- would it be too late for us to attempt that do you think?

Hokey you're not alone feeling that way, I'm only two nights in and repeatedly asking myself what in the world I was thinking. The kids adore her (ds had a bad experience with a dog over a year ago so that so important) and dh is constantly asking who is his princess so that makes it easier at 4am. I'm slowly bonding with her and getting lots of cuddles in, I'm finding it rough to be honest but then it's me freezing in the garden at 4am on a stand off and clearing up the stinkiest poops on my floor after and feeling like I'm doing it all wrong. I'm hoping eventually it falls into place.

Great idea about low lights for night time, I had the big light on and let her get on with her madness so that's probably confusing for her. I'll bring a low lamp down for tonight.

I'd thought about moving the crate into our room but dh is against it because her breeder said I'd be setting myself up, he won't budge on that and don't blame him as dd sleeps in our bed and if she caught sight of her wee love she'd be up all night.

She's in the living room under the stairs, she's quite happy in there, will nap there during the day but prefers to sleep on us and her bed in the kitchen. The door is always open (kids aren't allowed anywhere near when she's in there) and she goes in fine after a play and seems to sleep during the school runs (we close the door and shes still snoozing when we return).

It's seems to be the nights where it all goes to pot though so I'll put any suggestions to dh! She'll eat around 6, I'll take her out after, she'll refuse to pee, standoff for a while then I'll give up after 15 minutes and she'll come in for a play, she'll start circling and I'll take her back out, another standoff, 15 minutes later in and pop her in her crate so I can take kids to bed, she'll cry and I'll come down and out, another standoff and she'll pee when we get in, then I'll take her outside for another few minutes and she'll come in going out every half hour to hour to about 11 when we'd have had a play and she'll sleep in her closed crate for a couple hours then cry, and once she's been out she'll want to play and cry so I'll stay down, comfort her, sleep next to crate and go up when she's asleep and every two hours or so it's the same. I can't see what I'm doing wrong so hoping someone can point me in the right direction! Theres a wee led lantern I keep on so it's dark but not pitch black, it's not that cold, no draughts, I put a tshirt in so she has our smell. But she's only 10 weeks and been here two nights so it's early days, does that set up sound like it'll eventually click? I worry about her

The nursery have asked if I'll bring her in so she can meet Dd's friends

Thank you elphame, I'll give that a go tonight! Glad to know she's not just crazy, I was scared we'd traumatised her.

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Mrsallover...it is very early days but pup does need to learn that day means play, cuddles, lots of short but new experiences carried in your arms...new people, places, traffic, men wearing hi viz jackets, nursery( short visit) , quiet street, park etc etc. All this wears pup out and when you know she is tired during the day pop her in her crate shut door like you do when you go on school run. When she wakes you are on a guaranteed wee trip , rush her out to the garden go mad with praise when she performs. Play, cuddle, minute or two of sit, lie down early training and pop into crate and repeat. I personally wouldn’t play with pup just before bedtime cos all it does is rev them up, can you start a bedtime routine. Usually pups have a mad dash round in the evening, because cocodog was a hyper little madam I found it quite easy to wear her out during the late afternoon and early evening and then I would brush her gently and have a cuddle and then give her a chew...tripe stick, bully stick etc on a little mat in front of tv.We could see her visibly relax. She would sleep for a couple of hours and then out for wee on lead and back to bed. I think the more she relaxed the more she slept at night. You could then try setting your alarm for an early hours wee, take her out, no interaction, no play , low lights and back into crate. Sounds easy, I know it isn’t but you will get there.

BeTheHokeyMan - not at all. Give it a go. You need to be awfully boring though - so other than a firm "hush" or whatever to the initial whimpers ignore the pup but if you have a partner then talk to them so pup hears your voice and is comforted but gets no direct (and therefore rewarding) interaction from you. If she whimpers during the night get up and take her out for a wee but then straight back in the closed crate and ignore. No play, treats, chat.

Mrsallovertheplace - I wasn't keen on the crate in the bedroom idea either but it has worked really well for Elfpup. I'm planning for the crate to be in the kitchen by this time next week. He really has been as good as gold at night. If the crate in your room is a definite no how about close enough so he can hear your voices and knows you are still nearby? Otherwise a ticking clock or some other sound is said to help a pup settle at night - I've never tried that one myself.

Regarding the toileting - does she know what "go potty " means? If you pop her outside after she's just been she may not be making a connection. Each time I've taken Elfpup outside and he's gone I've got really excited and exclaimed "Elfpup wee -good boy" etc etc whilst he's actually going so he's linked the action with the word and rewarded him with loads of attention and praise as if he's the cleverest puppy in the world! Yes you do look and sound a complete idiot but it works! We've had him 10 days now and he will generally wee on command He won't ask to go out though yet so we still have plenty of accidents. I ignore it when they happen - I just clean up with no (visible!) emotion at all and he gets no interaction from me. In fact it often interrupts a game with him so I'm hoping the penny will soon drop.

I put him out as soon as he wakes from a nap and about 10 minutes after a meal. He'll go then very reliably. Otherwise it's a matter of watching when he has a drink and allowing 10 minutes or whenever I think he should need to. If he hasn't been in the last hour then out he goes!

Friday is the day he's officially allowed out - I can't wait. The garden isn't really puppy safe at the moment and I'm longing to be able to tire out the destructive little whirlwind. He's lovely at night but not so much during the day.....

Snowy is doing well with toilet training, only a few accidents.

She hates her crate though at night. She howls. DP is soft and got her out and popped her on our bed. She was good as gold so I'm wondering if the crate is necessary for overnight? She will still go in there if she needs a break from the kids.

I'm going to carry her to school today at pick up. DD is at a club so won't be too much it good bunch of kids there.

I'm wondering if the crate is necessary for overnight I guess that depends on whether you're happy to share your bed with her for ever. Plenty of people do.

I wouldn't be - Elfpup will be sleeping in the kitchen in his crate in due course and upstairs will be out of bounds. I do plan to get rid of the crate itself as soon as possible but at the moment it's doing a great job of keeping him safe and content at night.

This by the way is Elfpup. I don't think I've posted a pic of him here. Don't be fooled by that cute little face - demon pup in disguise!

She was good as gold so I'm wondering if the crate is necessary for overnight?

Crates aren't necessary at all. Useful in some situations, yes, but certainly not necessary. I only use them during the day when the pup needs to be left alone. At night I have the puppy in bed with me so as soon as they start stirring I can nip them outside for a wee before they've even fully woken up then we're both straight back into bed.

Having her in your room with you now also doesn't mean that's how it's got to be forever. Once she's older, properly settled and reliably sleeping through the night you can gradually move her to where you'd Like her to sleep long term.

The risk you are taking with having the pup sleep in your bed is that he is not learning to sleep alone. He'll consider your bed to be his bed, where he sleeps so you'll have to retrain him all over again which is why so many owners end up sleeping with their pets. It's not something I would want to do myself.

Using the crate - at 12 weeks Elfpup is now sleeping through from around 11pm to about 6am without getting me out of bed for a wee nor soiling the crate. He whines as soon as he wakes and is taken straight out but we're normally awake and getting up ourselves at the time anyway.

I kept my puppy in a crate in the kitchen and just got up in the night to let him toilet until he was older. It’s only now at 1 year that I am letting him sleep on his bed on the floor in our bedroom so that we can have a bit of a lie in at the weekend (trying to anyway) and that I know he is toilet trained and won’t pee or poo in the bedroom and won’t destroy anything if I am not watching him (apart from holding my slippers as ransom when he wants me to get up).

Foddy pup sleeps in our room on his own bed. The plan originally was for him to sleep on the landing however our DC would wake up and want to play with him so we decided to move him in to our room. This also means he wakes me when he wants to go out to do his buisness. He now only has accidents if i have taken a bit longer to get out.
House training seems to finally be going in the right direction at 12 weeks. When he does have an accident it tends to be right by the back door so he has tried to get out. There have been days when i thought house training was never going to happen and i was destined to clean up his mess forever.
Foddy pups main areas that we are working on are nipping and being in the car. Recently his nipping has gone to a new level and it is driving me crazy. I have tried giving him a toy every time he nips but that didn't seem to help. So now we are trying the 'ignoring' strategy. That seems to be helping a little.
He absolutely hates the car and he whines and dribbles. The dribbling is terrible it will literally run out of his mouth like a little stream. We are thinking about booking an 1 on 1 session with the trainer we have booked his puppy classes with. It breaks my heart to see how distressed he gets in the car.

Elphame he's gorgeous!

We're starting a nighttime routine tonight so shall report back at 4am with how it goes. I'm hopeful anyway. She had her last meal at 7 and is sleeping by my feet so when she wakes it'll be out to toilet and back to sleep hopefully so I can watch doctor foster in peace I took her to school pick up today which seems to have worn her out. And she did a poo outside! She didn't mean to

Had an awful scare today. She pooped and as I cleared it up there was a long beansprout/worm looking thing in it. She's at the vet tomorrow afternoon and I'm debating telling the breeder tomorrow when I know more as tonight I'm in a panic. She's been on drontal and is due again 10th so I don't know if she had worms and it's killed them and she's pooping them out or if she's got worms, in which case dc are obviously at risk. I'm so mad and sad for our wee pup. I'm hot on the hand washing with dc but dd has kissed her and let her lick her face, bite her etc so I'm kicking myself. Dh is quite blasé but I'm just stumped at how this happened and what implications it has for dc!

Loving the pictures of the pups, they're all so sweet looking. Large sprinkle of patience to everyone!

Sorry for the graphic descriptions

Apologies for the delay. We got him 4 weeks ago at 14 weeks. The breeder hadn't given his first vaccinations as she gave some story about if the vets use a different brand then they like to start the whole vaccine schedule again 🤔 I'm aware we have missed a lot of socialisation in this time etc etc. but have booked him into classes and hope as we have an older dog he will be learning a lot from her

Biteyshark - yes he goes out and about being carried lots! He doesn't seem to have put 2 and 2 together regarding toileting. He will happily go on a puppy mat. But then 10 seconds later will happily go about 5 cams away from the puppy mat 🙈 he's very reluctant to go out as gets really cold! And if it's raining,well he just refuses!

Lots of breeders don't start their puppies' vaccinations before they go to their new homes because it is true that not all vets carry the same brands of vaccines (plus not all brands work on the same schedule, some are two injections and some three) and they may want to start the whole process again. That's when puppies are going to their new homes at eight weeks old though, it's very odd that your puppy's breeder didn't go ahead and get him vaccinated when he got to that age and still had no home lined up.

Apologies by the way, I've just looked back at my previous post and I did the link wrong This is the link I was intending to give you. The toilet training guide especially should be helpful for you. I'd get rid of the pads completely, they just complicate things as using them is teaching your puppy it's ok to go inside. It's better to start as you mean to go and get them going outside right from the start. It is hard in bad weather (I've raised two whippet puppies in the depths of winter!) but if you go out there with them whilst they're not keen and are consistent they will get it.

You might also find this website very useful. It's got lots of great information about minimising the risks of IVDD which is a big problem in the breed.

han01uk some people swear by puppy mats but I didn’t use them because I thought it would be confusing saying you can toilet in the house but only on the mat which sends mixed messages. Our pup arrived when the temp dropped to -4 and I had to force the issue by wrapping up and both being outside for ages to get him to go so I could praise praise praise. On the refusing side when raining although it seems awful I would just pick up and plonk them outside and then you can both huddle under an umbrella if you need to. It’s grim and at the time I thought why did I get a puppy in the middle of winter but they do get it eventually but sometimes you do have to force the issue as they would choose the warmth of the house over a cold wet garden.

Mine is coming up 5 months and still isn't house trained

I have never had one take this long and have no clue what to do about it as ive tried all the normal tricks to no avail!

Grey mine took a long time. Is there anything in particular that your pup is or isn’t doing?

Bitey I'm a bit worn down with it now and DH is starting to get annoyed with it as all of my others have been sorted well before now and I'm constantly scrubbing floors!

She will go outside happily, knows the command for wee and goes when I tell her and won't ever go in the house when we are around but if she is left alone I can almost guarantee there will be an accident of some sort. She is also not clean at night still despite being fed nothing from 4pm, last wee late and also I'm up at 5am to get them out.

She seems to be doing it whenever she's left alone but isn't distressed in any way. So for example this morning I left her in the kitchen happily chewing a bone with older dog, shut door (I can see her as it's glass) while getting DS dressed and she managed somehow to poo allover. I had literally just let her out 15mins before so she seems to know when I'm not watching and decides to do it then!

I think she knows she is meant to go outside but does not know she's meant to hold it if I'm not there to immediately let her out.

She will also go on her bed so the confining her thing dosent work.

I'm at a bit of a loss now as I've never had this issue before!