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What has happened to Epupz?

8 replies

Queenylaverne · 06/04/2017 23:02

I have used this site for years but it seems to have disappeared!
Any one know anything?

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CornflakeHomunculus · 06/04/2017 23:45

I've no idea what happened to it but these days it's been replaced by Pets4Homes as the advertising site of choice for puppy farmers/BYBs/the well meaning but clueless.

ShinyAsIWannaBe · 07/04/2017 08:31

So where do reputable breeders advertise?

Whitney168 · 07/04/2017 08:35

Most reputable breeders don't need to advertise, to be honest - they have waiting lists, based on their reputations for breeding sound, healthy, typey dogs.

As advertising sites go, Champdogs is not without fault but is about the best bet, as it does insist on breed appropriate testing results.

CornflakeHomunculus · 07/04/2017 12:14

The best way to find reputable breeders is via the breed club (either the national one or relevant regional ones in more popular breeds) of the breed you want.

As Witney says, the best advertising site out there is probably Champdogs, it's not perfect but there are far more decent breeders on there than other sites.

Dogsforever · 03/08/2017 23:38

To answer Whitby ALL of the affor mentioned are websites. They can be both good and bad!! I have seen bad breeders (or what we consider bad having shown & bred dogs for over 50 years) on the sitesbwe consider good. I have seen good on the sites we consider bad. To say a good breeder does not need to advertise is silly. We use to have long lists of people waiting, now there is the internet and a society that tend to want things now. Our dogs have fab temperament & do well show/work/companion. My point is look how easy it is for me to say this on a website. The main thing to do is research, research and more research. Do not trust everything you read ALL of the dog websites including the kennel club adverts are written by the advertisers not a 3rd party. You need to spend a lot of time ensuring a breed is for you and a reputable breeder will let you visit to find this out. Not to say they would expect you to waste their time by visiting 10 others. Time is precious both theirs and yours. Check out their temperament both at home and at a show? Can you contact others with a dog from them? What does the contract they wish you to sign say. A good breeder should not want any offspring to end up in rescue and should refer in the contract i.e. they need tobe there for the life of your dog not just as a puppy. Sorry to go on but I hope this helps. AND its a big and NO deposit should be taken until the breeder has met you. There are some bad people out there but also some very good. I hope you have or have had a good search and can enjoy a new puppy in the future.

Dogsforever · 03/08/2017 23:49

Oh and just to add, You pay to go on the Kennel Club site, I.e. when you register the puppies you pay a fee and can pay an extra fee for an advert you write. You pay to be on Champdogs, or at least to keep your advert, again that you write. You don't pay on pets4homes as this is paid for by the adverts. But again its your words. Also breeders can have their own websites in their own words.

Ylvamoon · 04/08/2017 00:21

AND its a big and NO deposit should be taken until the breeder has met you.

^ made me smile! Having had puppies for sale, I found the crazy internet generation - now, now now! Quite happily pay for a puppy they have never met in order to secure it! They can't be asked to meet puppy, mum and breeder to make sure everything is genuine. I have had several people who happily would have paid me for a puppy a few weeks old and wanting to pick up at 8 weeks. was never an option for any of my puppies It's a crazy heaven for crooks and criminals.

beth1967 · 12/07/2018 04:25

Found this on the web-
Puppy website ‘condemned’

A WEBSITE promoting the sale of pedigree puppies has caused concern amongst responsible dog breeders, who claim that the site and others like it encourage the proliferation of backyard breeders and puppy farmers who sell popular ‘cash crop’ breeds with little or no thought for the dogs’ welfare.

The Epupz website contains hundreds of listings for puppies of every breed, some of which are sold for far higher prices than those at which a responsible breeder would sell puppies. A toy breed is being advertised as ‘tiny, but with a wide pelvis ideal for breeding’ at a staggering price of over £1,300, Pugs offered at £1,000 and Staffords for a staggering £1,000 plus. Conversely, breeds which have recently come under fire from councils and anti-dog factions can be picked up for less than £100, clearly making them easy targets for getting into the hands of the wrong owners. OUR DOGS has received a number of complaints from dog breeders and enthusiasts who have condemned the site.

OUR DOGS attempted to contact the Epupz website owner, Steven Harrison-Dix by email and asked him whether he felt the complaints were justified. At the time of going to press we had not received any reply; there is no telephone number given on the website, and the address given is a post office box number.

However, the Epupz web site publishes the following statement: ‘Our aim at Epupz is to create the safest place on the web to assist in puppies finding owners. You may think it strange that we say puppies finding owners instead of people finding puppies, the reason for that is puppies come first at Epupz.

‘In our aim to serve the puppies to their fullest we also list services, breeders and also serve information and help.

‘We run reports every day to ensure that Epupz stays a safe place for above all the puppies. As Epupz is a family site we also try our hardest to make it a safe place for families. If you wish for more information on the reports we run or the other safeguards we have in place please contact us by clicking here.

OUR DOGS contacted the Kennel Club, who have already had dealings with this particular web site; Caroline Kisko, Kennel Club Secretary said: "However someone makes contact with a breeder we would ALWAYS recommend that a puppy buyer visits the breeder to see the bitch and pups together.

‘We have had some dealings with this site and in fact they changed the way their information is displayed as a result – it was previously very misleading but they did listen and made alterations. Providing the site is used simply as a way of advertising puppies then it is no different to the Kennel Club’s own Puppy Sales Register or Our Dogs classified adverts – it depends entirely on how the breeder deals with potential customers once they have made contact.

‘We are always keen to ensure that if a claim is made that puppies are KC registered, this is in fact the case. It is not possible to check on every advertisement wherever it is placed but if we receive a specific complaint we will certainly look into it.’

Further surfing of the company’s website reveals that Epupz is apparently a trade name for Collusion Design UK Ltd., a web building company. Epupz web site makes strong claims about its ability to check for puppy farmers or dealers, as it states: "Epupz was created because when we were looking for a puppy we could not find any sites that did any sort of checking for known puppy farmers and dealers.

‘Over the years we have built a vast ‘blacklist’ database of poor breeders, puppy farmers and dealers. This database has been built from our work with the RSPCA, Trading Standards, Local Councils, Local Police forces, breeders, breed clubs, buyer feedback and a large amount of data given to us by other anti-puppy farming websites. Our system crosschecks all information with this database, from all contact information, names, adverts details through to IP addresses. Our systems constantly checks other information gathered about users on the site and their activities on the site. We don’t wish to go into the finer detail as it would simply aid someone to evade then system.’

OUR DOGS has only been made aware of this site by its readers recently, yet the site clearly boasts impressive contacts with more or less every organisation possible. Our readers have suggested it is almost impossible to run constant checks especially when the site claims to have 24,906 puppies available on the day we went to press (Tuesday November 13th).

OUR DOGS comments: ‘As a responsible newspaper we have always tried to follow Kennel Club guidelines on encouraging responsible breeding and puppy sales and at least we, and others like us, have readily published our address and telephone contact details. It is always a concern in this modern age when internet traders limit their contact details just to an email address or PO Box number, and have apparent difficulty spelling breeds correctly….Alsation (sic). Their advice panel also rather worryingly states: ‘This is only a guild and you must consult your vets or a breeder club to understand the full requirement of this breed and if this breed will be suitable for you, your family and your lifestyle.

This statement will not encourage anyone to think that those in charge of the site are in a position to offer advice or guidance. The site itself is free, although there is a special section where you can make ‘donations’ to the site owners.

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