Another puppy wobble thread...

[swimster01]

Hello, I have reserved a puppy and am having some wobbles. The people I am buying from seem genuine, pup is KC registered as I found the details on the KC website although actual papers not yet available as only recently registered, saw with mum and dad dog who have lovely temperaments and the other pups in the litter. But then I have read further online that I should expect a quizzing from the breeder about my home arrangements, knowledge of dogs etc - that didn't happen. Also, I wasn't provided with details of worming treatments and vet checks -should this have been done at time of viewing?

Had a phone call from the breeder who says she cannot provide some of what I asked for, feels no trust cet and has pulled out.

Then your instincts were right and you did absolutely the right thing. A decent breeder would have no issues with setting your mind at ease. So this was not a decent breeder.

I do wonder what it means that the litter were on the kc website of that weeebt kc reg?

Anyway - next time don't involve the children in actually buying a puppy. Yes, talk in general terms about picking a breed, what owning a dog is like. How puppies behave.

But for the purchase, remove all emotion. Puppies are cute. All of them. So get over the aww-cutie factor and face the purchase dispassionately in your initial search. Especially so if using a public sale website.

There's a website called Pets4Homes. It has a bad reputation on mumsnet as a place to buy a puppy. I understand why, a massive proportion of the cocker spaniels (my breed) on there are dodgy. But! But if you know what you are doing and how to buy responsibly, the site gives you a massive directory of litters avaliable nationally.

Have you bought a puppy before?

Have you owned a dog before?

I just put some stuff down on an other thread...
But, buying a puppy should be a bit like an job interview. The breeder should want to know about yourself, lifestyle and family. Good, committed breeders will know a lot about their dogs- if in doubt, get them taking about their dogs!
As to KC papers, all they really are is proof of your dog's parentage & show champions in their blood lines.

Hi, so I have found another possible pup. This time the breeder has given me full details of breeding lines etc, they show their dogs at Crufts and other shows (verified online etc) and Border terrier clubs. They breed and then keep one pup for themselves to show. Pups come with first vacs, wormed, vet check, 5 weeks insurance but not a contract. I have checked the co-efficiency rating onlne - it is a couple % above average for the breed. I haven't been to see the pups yet but mum, dad, grandma etc also all available to see. I have looked on Champsdogs and none of the Border terrier pups on there have parents that are health tested - the KC don't recommend tests for Border terriers. They have also sent me photos of the dogs as I will need to travel a way to get there.

This seems like a better prospect for me - what do you think?

How high is the inbreeding co- efficiency? Please note at 12% they would be quite closely related... please read the small print at the bottom of the KC web page on the subject. It's the high inbreeding that is responsible for some of the genetic conditions....
Also, Border Terrier is quite a popular breed, so I'd think it would be quite low ... if that is the case, than you are good to go!
(My litters are between 4-6% with a breed average of 7-8% - that is good for my breed, not popular, not many dogs available for breeding.)

I think it is around 10.5%

Quote from KC inbreeding calculator- personally I'd walk away, as its quite a popular breed and inbreeding should be lower, but generally dog is ok and within guidelines.

"Putting your COI result into perspective
The COI calculator provides you with a percentage score; the lower the percentage, the lower the degree of inbreeding.
Therefore, an inbreeding coefficient of:
0% indicates a dog that comes from two unrelated parents, based on all available pedigree information
12.5% would equate to the genetic equivalent of a dog produced from a grandfather to granddaughter mating
25% would equate to the genetic equivalent of a dog produced from a father to daughter mating."

Why are you in a rush swimster01?

Yes, you have made the family decision to buy a dog. Great. Why must it be right now, as soon ad possible? OK, so there are not many decent litters around at the moment. Can you wait until there are?

For comparison, it took me 5 months of active looking and visiting several litters to buy my pup.