Cavapoo vs Cavachon

[samk15]

Hiya, really just curious to know if anyone has had much experience with either of these breeds? I'm particularly interested what health problems have come up. We are thinking about getting a puppy, I've done my research, but I'd like RL opinions.

Thank you.

I'm not anti cross breed either. Just don't understand why people spend hundreds on puppies from parents that have been health/temperament tested. May as well get a rescue, looking at many tears there are so many of these kind of dogs without homes it seems a shame to pay £££££ for a (in many cases) poorly bred puppy.

Boo 'In addition you cannot predict temperament traits in cross breeds. If you cross an intelligent but energetic breed with a calm but disobedient breed you are as likely to get an energetic and disobedient puppy than the other way round'. I think you have to credit people with some intelligence! There are relatively few poodle crosses in pounds, which says a lot.

There are lots of poodle crosses in pounds but it's an inconvenient truth for lots of people.

It's all about the money

There are tons of poodle crosses in pounds! And other crosses. Lets not even pretend that there isn't.

I appreciate everybody's POV and i respect them. I genuinely didn't realise what a can of worms I was opening. I was scared to read the comments this morning tbh. Never again!

I think whatever dog we decide on more research needs to be done on the type of breed/crossbreed we eventually end up with. It's not a flash in the pan decision I promise.

Might just stick with the cats

I don't think it's a can of worms at all, you asked a fair enough question. I think people get angry at the puppy farmers churning out these crosses, many of the breeding dogs live in truly hideous conditions (and just because buyers don't see that doesn't mean they're not puppy farmed, they often use pretend families to sell the puppies on).

Have to laugh at the few no of poodle crosses in rescue comment though. There are loads! Also, many people try to sell them as they feel like they should recoup some of the money they spent on them as a puppy. If you look at pets4homes for dogs aged about 9 months there's blooming loads. Really sad.

OP, if your DP is adamant he won't adopt a rescue, has he explained why?

Just seems a strangely entrenched position from someone who is presumably a dog-lover (otherwise he wouldn't entertain getting a dog at all, I would guess).

I think you are being very reasonable to ask about health problems. If there are tests that determine susceptibility to diseases breeders are ethically obliged to carry them out even if it means extra cost or the, really difficult, decision not to breed from a dog/bitch that contributes to the problem. As buyers we should support those breeders, or rehome from a decent rescue.

The KC mentions all the standard tests that should be done on all the breeds. Knowledgeable breeders should also have a view on any new tests that have just been developed. The breeder should be able to show you written confirmation of these tests for both parents, don't let anyone fob you off on that score.

If you like these breeds why not a poodle? Lovely dogs that make great family pets with the right socialisation and training.

I've pressed DP on this and he wants a puppy, I've told him they are really hard work. We are currently looking at rescue puppies. But then a lot of these poor souls already have problems that I can't then insure them for. It doesn't sit completely right with me spending lots of money but it seems that if I want to find a decent and ethical breeder I will have to pay lots of ££££. I really just want a fluffy little dog who won't eat the cats

I know that so many breeds have been 'overbred' and there are so many unscrupulous bastards breeders out there.

Thanks for the advice Boo. I've got a long list of health screens so that I can ask any potential breeder.

Thanks for being brave Airfix , you little dog sounds perfect

Here we go again

I have a Cavachon! Yes, she's a designer dog, non moulting, gorgeous temperament, she was easy to train and is nearly three and has only visited the vet for boosters, so far. We adore her! Getting her from the pound wouldn't have made her less likely to develop health problems!

I wouldn't hesitate to buy another cross breed (so long as both parents can be seen and they've been raised in a family environment). Shoot me!

Getting her from the pound wouldn't have made developing health problems less likely, just would have been one less dog needing a home and fuelling breeders.

Sorry to bore you with all the puppy farm stories.

Why does buying a dog from a puppy farm (which I obviously don't support and wouldn't buy from) make it more likely to end up in the pound? I'd like to be educated on this. What is the average age for a dog to be given up? And is it mainly because of health problems? Or because whoever took ownership of the dog in the first place didn't have the time for the dog/it still wasn't toilet trained/still play biting etc?

A puppy farm are not going to turn down unsuitable owners the way a responsible breeder or rescue place will. Pups are such hard work, when they're young, but also up to 18 months or so, and when they get to 9/10/15 months, and aren't as cute, and still haven't settled down, and are extremely annoying, people get rid

We are currently looking at rescue puppies. But then a lot of these poor souls already have problems that I can't then insure them for.

You need to speak to the rescue centre. I'm not dog person but on cat rescue sites if an animal has an ongoing medical problem they will pay the vet fees.

Whichoneisit puppy farms breed indiscriminately so are likely to breed from dogs with temperament problems which they then pass onto their progeny. In addition they keep dogs in poor conditions which means the bitch is stressed and may not do a good job of socialising the puppies to dog behaviours in the crucial first 6 weeks of life. Add to that that litters are kept in kennels and are not exposed to the sights and sounds of family life, may not have been treated for worms, may have been taken away from the bitch too soon, etc and it's easy to see why things go wrong.

OP a good breeder should be passionate about their breed, be able to answer all your questions without ifs or buts, have a breeding programme that suits your needs, own a manageable number of dogs that are kept in the house and breed a manageable number of litters that are brought up in the house. The breeder should ask you a lot of questions to determine your suitability as an owner, should have information about what has happened to,pups from previous litters and even have a waiting list (I am on a year plus waiting list for a GSD but I am very fussy!).

That's very true, Costa, but you, like me, must know people who appear to be wealthy, bright, able to provide for a puppy but who then have changed their mind when it hasn't been all it's cracked up to be.
Equally there are those with very little and not able to afford to buy from an expensive breeder but have a wealth of puppy/dog knowledge and the ability to provide a loving home.
A breeder can hope for the best but they can't predict the future Heath of their puppies/the ability of the owner when the going gets tough.

A good experienced breeder/rescue should be able to ask the right questions and know what answers they're looking for - they should also insist that pups are given back to them if circumstances change

Anyone who can't afford a designer breed but is a dedicated dog lover, will not care about how 'cute' a pup is, they'll just want a dog, and probably take on an older rescue

I'm sure there are plenty of responsible owners of 'designer' crossbreed a just as with pedigree breeds and mongrels.

The problem is that when a particular type of dog becomes fashionable, the demand drives unscrupulous breeders to 'farm' puppies. These poorly bred puppies then flood the market and more often than not end up in shelters because of health or behaviour problems, when the fad passes. It's not a new problem but it does seem to be growing.

Anyway OP, Poodle crosses are becoming pase - French Bulldogs are the new trend

"It doesn't sit completely right with me spending lots of money but it seems that if I want to find a decent and ethical breeder I will have to pay lots of ££££. I really just want a fluffy little dog who won't eat the cats"

Actually, while not cheap of course...a well bred, fully health tested pedigree is often cheaper than the 'designer crosses"

Have a look at poodles and bichon Frises if you were thinking crosses of those might work, the breeds themselves definitely should.

The cost of a puppy is completely down to how fashionable the breed currently is

A few years ago labradoodles were being sold for £1500+, now they wouldn't command anything like that much. Breeders of French Bulldogs are happily charging more than £3000...whereas golden retrievers from fully health-tested lines, with champions on both sides of their pedigree and having had a full puppy socialisation programme would be about £800-£900

You can see the temptation for unscrupulous breeders to churn out as many puppies as possible while keeping their costs low

Off topic but 3k for a puppy! Wow.

And to which no a breeder can't always predict what will happen to an owner's circumstances, hence why decent breeders will have a contract insisting dog comes back to them if owner needs/wants to rehome. I wouldn't have thought most backyard breeders would do this?

It's not purely down to how fashionable they are, there are other factors...

French Bulldogs for instance often have whelping issues, so some breeders schedule sections

Small and fluffy? As well as bichon frise and poodle you could look at Bolognese (sadly DH thinks he'd look silly with anything quite so small and fluffy!)

There's a 20wk old cavachon dog at our puppy training class- he pees EVERYWHERE at the slightest excitement. Our younger wcs bitch has been dry for ages now and none of the other dogs there seem to have that issue, even the tiny breeds.