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I overheard a conversation in the pet shop at the weekend

57 replies

Deadnettle · 22/12/2015 11:27

A man was at the checkout paying for something and talking about his dogs.

He has a litter of jackapoos, 9 puppies of which 4 have already sold. He has a litter of bugs(?) (Boston terriers x pugs) due on New Years Day. His springer has just come into season, so he is going to mate her with a poodle. He hopes that the springer doesn't have as many puppies as her mums last litter (also poodle crosses) because 13 puppies was hard work but worth it for the money. He sold them for £1000 each.

I have no problem with crossbreeds but I really worry about people buying a dog that was bred purely for profit. I worry about the dogs health and temperament. This man could really care for his dogs, he could be health testing his dogs and making sure they have excellent temperaments, and he might offer to take back puppies if the new owners can't keep them.

Its a shame then that he only talked about his dogs in terms of them making money. Sad

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Wolfiefan · 23/12/2015 13:55

Knobbly that sounds great BUT they won't pay to have such dogs rehomed. Such dogs will end up shot or worse.

Perhaps all breeders should need a licence?

Gileswithachainsaw · 23/12/2015 14:01

So sad nettle

your poor puppy. and poor you. animals steal your heart the second you lay eyes on them.

it doesn't bare thinking about what the other puppies in the litter went through if they had the same problems. bit all owners what to pay fir vets bills etc. certainly not after spending hundreds on a puppy.

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Deadnettle · 23/12/2015 14:30

it doesn't bare thinking about what the other puppies in the litter went through if they had the same problems. bit all owners what to pay fir vets bills etc. certainly not after spending hundreds on a puppy.

As he was a rescue we didn't pay much for him, although he was thankfully insured to the hilt. I feel for all the people who buy designer dogs for £1000s because they think they are the perfect pets and then they have issues that also cost £1000s.

Does anyone know why poodle crosses are more popular than poodles? My poodle will not shed unlike some crosses, her temperament/growth/coat are predictable. She is a lovely dog who loves everyone and everything. If we don't shave her face everyone thinks she is a cross breed so it can't be down to grooming. She is also calmer than every cockapoo I have ever met.

When I got my poodle I asked a load of cockapoo and cavapoo owners what they paid for their dogs. The cheapest was a cavapoo who still cost £200 more than I paid for my purebred poodle and they still have the same grooming costs. The cavapoo owners thought poodles had prick ears!

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Readysteadyknit · 23/12/2015 14:48

Perhaps all breeders should need a licence?

This is the answer I think with stringent welfare conditions.

Toughasoldboots · 23/12/2015 16:14

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BooAvenue · 23/12/2015 17:35

Poodles are awesome dogs. If you want a non shedding dog with the characteristics of a poodle, get it a poodle not some designer half breed Confused.

jorahmormont · 23/12/2015 17:42

Doodle Trust has lots of poodle crosses needing rehoming :) they get dumped if they don't have the "right" coat, or they've outlived their use as a breeding dog, or for any number of stupid reasons :( my parents have adopted two doodles from there; they're a fantastic rescue but some of the dogs have such sad stories :(

ChairRider4 · 23/12/2015 20:22

Here a lady close by bread her make shitzu with her other dog that's a shitzu/jack Russell cross about 7/8 months old She said was accident was not planning to bitch was older but tbh she not do anything to stop it and nearly lost mother(low on calcium and fitted ) having to bottle feed pups now

But is now planning to sell at £400 each /and asked what I thought should call them Dont think my reply about calling them jackshit went down to well
Sadly both parents temperaments are questionable and both hardly walked so poor puppies already going to have issues I suspect

mrslaughan · 24/12/2015 22:43

And this is exactly why I don't understand why anyone buys any dog who has "poo" in the name except poodle!!!!

Thattimeofyearagain · 26/12/2015 06:26

The thing with crosses is you can never predict what you will get . Ddogs mum is s lab/ Springer cross, dad is a black Labrador. Out of 10 pups there was a real mixture of solid coat / coat with white flashes/ short coat/ medium, 1fairly long. Some have grown to Springer size, some small lab, 2 ( including ddog) large lab size. They were an accidental breeding, mum now spayed.

Thattimeofyearagain · 26/12/2015 06:28

Oh, and I refer to ddog as a lab cross.

usernamesandgingerbreads · 26/12/2015 07:08

This deigner cross thing drives me nuts. Surely it is just what was known for decades as a mongrel. Imo it is stuff like this that has encourages massively irresponsible breeding.
We were told by numerous people we were nuts to be considering neutering our girl who is a larger breed black whippet as she is stunning and fast and much interest in her in our local whippet community.

She is neutered so if she ever goes missing some scumbag cannot breed her to death.

usernamesandgingerbreads · 26/12/2015 07:10

I have nothing against mongrels btw. Our best dogs in childhood were a mongrel.

wannaBe · 26/12/2015 07:57

The reason why these dogs are bred is because people are prepared to pay for them. But let's not pretend that pedigree breeders are any different, all dogs are bred for money, it's just that mongrels are more sought after atm.

The sentiment that people should take on a rescue is all very noble, but in truth most rescues make it almost impossible to rehome any dog, while acting smug about how they never put any dog down even if that means it spends the next ten years in kennels. And many dogs in rescue just aren't suitable to be rehomed, these dogs should be pts, sad as that is, and if their origin can be traced then the owner should be fined.

Charging money for animals should be illegal, that way no-one would have an incentive to breed. There is no way to police licensing of breeding, but make it illegal to pay or charge for puppies and the industry becomes non existent over night.

raisin3cookies · 26/12/2015 08:24

I will never get a puppy - we plan to get a dog next year but I have struggled to find a place that will allow us to rehome a dog while we have children under the age of five (or even ten!).

dotdotdotmustdash · 26/12/2015 10:39

When I become Prime Minister, the first animal welfare law I will pass is that all pups must be tattooed with the NI number of their breeder. If the dog is ever found straying, injured or homeless and the last owner isn't willing to look after them, the breeder will be traced and made to pay (even through benefits or tax) for the care of the dog. If they made them, they are responsible for them for the rest of their lives.

ChairRider4 · 26/12/2015 11:46

Raisin same here was refused rescue because I'm disabled !!
Mind even couple breeders did second said was in wheelchair point blank no .
Luckily I found one willing to least discuss and meet me he is now a year old and is fantastic even the Breeder when we all got together was very pleased how turned out we are out at least twice a day minimum of hour

raisin3cookies · 26/12/2015 11:57

Chair that is awful. My neighbour is out every day with her sweet dog and her wheelchair doesn't stop them from being active! How ridiculous.

wannaBe · 26/12/2015 12:13

Rescues benefit from turning people down because then it's easier to maintain the "rescues are overflowing," stance. yes, I am that cynical.

It is not possible to regulate breeding, the only solution is to make buying and selling puppies illegal. With no income, there would be no puppy farms.

PirateSmile · 26/12/2015 13:04

All dogs, pedigree or designer are a mixture of different dog types whether this is a new fangled thing or it occurred in the 17th century.

I have fostered an ex breeding bitch from a supposedly KC registered breeder and that dog was nothing but a money machine. Her undercarriage was a mess but she left me in tip top condition and she was a beautiful dog.

I also have a 'labradoodle' which I refer to as a cross breed. She is awesome. She came from a very reliable source and we got to know the mother and grandmother.

sulee · 26/12/2015 18:50

There are lots of cockerpoos etc in rescue because the dozey twxts who bought them assumed they would get the best bits of two breeds-genetics are not that straightforward! Nor can every eventuality be health-checked and bred out and dog breeders, whowever caring are in it for the money. I have known people who have bought pups from very reputable breeders which did not make old bones whereas one of my rescue dogs who thinks and acts like a puppy is 14 years young!

YeOldeTrout · 26/12/2015 19:39

I can't help but wonder if people (buyers) aren't ARSES for paying £££ for dogs. Any dogs but working dogs. If the demand wasn't out there, then people wouldn't treat their fertile animals as money factories.

If you want to change culture, expectations and quality of care, go for the demand side.

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Deadnettle · 26/12/2015 20:25

Shock at the price of that cross.

I did hear that someone had crossed a newfoundland with a poodle and wanted £4000 per pup!

Someone I met at dog training bought a jackapoo. I don't know how much they paid but hopefully not a lot as I am fairly certain its a patterdale.

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Gileswithachainsaw · 26/12/2015 20:29

I'm wondering, the pomeranian X husky.

we there's a huge size difference. is it theoretically possible that could result in puppies to large to be born naturally when breeding two. assuming both pass on relevant genes.

that would be catastrophic

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