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Can anyone hold my hand tonight? Elderly dog

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sadwidow28 · 03/12/2015 18:02

DDog is 16.5yrs old, arthritic.

Most days he is happy and walks. Since last night he won't walk (but is eating well if I put a bowl of food and water under his nose)

I booked a home visit for him yesterday - that can only be done at 8pm tonight and I am getting worried that I will be offered PTS.

I will never allow my dog to suffer, but I think PTS tonight will not be appropriate.

For background

  • He had a benign tumour removed from his anus 18 months ago - and a cyst removed from his eye at the same time.
  • He had blood tests re-done in August 2015 and heart, kidneys, liver all showing he is in 'excellent' levels for an Oldie. Results described as 'good' for a 9yr old'
  • He is a Border Collie (80%) and German Shepherd (20%) mix - and I know that GS have hip problems.
  • I now have to lift him each morning to get him to standing position (but his back legs now give way when he least expects it)

Please, please hold my hand.

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PoppieD · 02/03/2016 22:39

Am so sorry to read, Ringo was a beautiful boy and loved reading about him in your posts.

BennyTheBall · 02/03/2016 22:45

So sorry for you, OP. I know the heartache of losing a much loved pet.

Take solace in the fact he had a long and happy life and was so loved.

OVienna · 02/03/2016 22:48

So sorry for your loss! Your man was bootiful and how well you looked after him! Thanks

sadwidow28 · 03/03/2016 00:00

Thank you for your kind posts. I want to break down and sob - I want to scream and beat the carpet ..................but I have been brought up to never cry.

Ringo was taken to a local pet funeral home within 15 minutes of pts. It was so well handled by Ringo's vet.

I will get his cremains back in 2 days - and then I will be on a mission to scatter them in all his favourite places!

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Canshopwillshop · 03/03/2016 08:03

sadwidow - I do hope you've been able to have a good cry though it could be that you are in shock and can't take in what's happened just yet. Flowers

sulee · 03/03/2016 20:46

So sorry to hear the news about your gorgeous boy- sending big hugs as I have been through it myself and know just how much it hurts x

sadwidow28 · 04/03/2016 14:04

Ringo's ashes have been brought back. How can 35kg of dog fit into such a small box? The Pet Cemetary also gave me a keep-sake (clippings of his black and white fur) which I didn't expect. When I looked at it I let out the most horrendous, howling sob and my eyes haven't stopped leaking since.

The last 2 weeks have been a roller-coaster. Ringo stopped eating and drinking 2 weeks ago so I was tempting him with ham and getting water into him via a syringe. He gave me "the look" that posters had warned me about. I cried when I saw it - but I was ready for it because of the warnings on this thread. (Thank you pps) Ringo was double-incontinent for 2 days and never left his bed.

I had pts booked at our brick house for the Monday but the vet said I was to let him eat whatever he wanted in the meantime. On Sunday night I put a duvet down on the floor, cooked some pasta bolognese to make me eat and settled down for our last night together. I was more than surprised when a little tongue appeared over the side of the dish ..... Ringo wanted my bolognese! So I gave it to him and he scoffed the lot. (There was no competition when it came to choosing either me or him eating Grin ) At 6am he wanted to go walking in the little park opposite and we did about 1 mile. He did a massive 'rally round'. I cancelled the pts appointment and asked the vet to come to our holiday home on 2nd March instead.

I spent the following week cooking all his favourite food - liver, chicken fillets, mince in gravy. I was trying to kid myself that he would improve sufficiently well if I kept him eating, drinking and walking. He still loved his daily brushing but on Thursday that week, I found a lump in his hind quarters. I knew then ...... the vet had been right all along in suspecting cancer of the spleen. His back legs were so wobbly that some days I struggled to get him to stand first thing in the morning. Walks became more limited and he was even reluctant to go into the back garden as he had to spring up a step to get back into the kitchen. By this time he was faecally incontinent again.

So on 1st March we arrived back at the holiday home and Ringo tried to jump up the 2 steps to the decking and he fell backwards and collapsed. I got him up the steps with encouragement and a heave-ho! He wouldn't go down the steps again. He would walk around the decking but when I opened the gate I got the look that said, "You are having a laugh aren't you? If I go down those steps again I will never get back up to my big bed!"

The vet arrived at 4.45pm on 2nd March. I had to bring him in through the electronic gates so Ringo was looking through the glass door waiting for me to return (only 5 minutes) when we arrived back. He did a really big bark at the vet and then waddled to his big bed. The vet said, "I can see a lump as he walks". I said, "I know. It's that cancer of the spleen isn't it?". But the vet had seen a different lump, and I had to point out the lump I had found. He stopped examining Ringo when he had felt 3 lumps. I said, I know it is time for pts - but the vet was concerned that he hadn't brought a nurse. I said I could hold Ringo but the vet hadn't signed the drugs out as he thought I just wanted him to 'check' and make the decision for the next day. But we both knew that Ringo's time had come and pts the next day would have meant a night of misery.

So we discussed what would happen to Ringo after pts. The vet went back to his surgery (with my electronic barrier card so he could come straight back in and I wouldn't have to leave Ringo) and got the pts drugs - returned with a nurse and brought the pet cemetery person with him who stayed outside.

It was all over within 20 minutes. Gentle sedative for Ringo, me signing the forms, then I had to say when I was ready for the pts. I was told what to expect (body gurglings and breaths) because I wanted him to die in my arms. There was absolutely NO trauma. I kissed him and hugged him and told him I loved him but it was time to go. I knew when his heart had stopped beating and I was satisfied I had given him the best way to slip out of this world. The vet checked and confirmed Ringo had gone. The vet then positioned Ringo in a suitable pose to carry him out (his legs were splaying in front when he passed over the rainbow bridge because that is how he slept). The crem person knocked on the door after 10 minutes when I was ready to let Ringo be removed. The vet and the crem person carried him out and I walked behind because I chose to see Ringo into the car. I asked for something of my late-husband to be cremated with Ringo because I want to believe that they are both together now. Ringo gave me my independence when my DH died. It is only right that my DH and Ringo spend some time together over the rainbow bridge watching over me until I join them.

It was all so dignified but, more importantly, it was right for Ringo. He felt no fear, he didn't have the trauma of a car journey to the vet and the anxiety of being left. He simply slipped away in his own home on his own bed with me holding him.

RIP Ringo x

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deathlyhallows1 · 04/03/2016 14:25

Rip ringo. I'm crying the love you had for him has shone through your posts. You gave him a wonderful life. Thanks

Wordsaremything · 04/03/2016 14:33

Oh I am so very very sorry. Your words made me cry and cry but what a special bond you had and such unselfish devotion you demonstrated. It's so good you had those extra few precious weeks together. He wasn't ready to go just then, was he- and I think you knew that in your heart.

Thank you for describing what happened as I dread this day for my own darling girl. ( she is 17) and I have been too scared to ask the vet.

Beautiful boy Ringo, good dog.

Look after yourself op. He'd want you to do that wouldn't he. Write on here if it helps. People will understand.

sadwidow28 · 04/03/2016 16:57

Wordsaremything

If ever you need hand-holding, I'll be here for you. MNetters got me through 3 months of hoping and finally letting Ringo go. I couldn't have done it so positively without people on this thread who took time out to post and suggest solutions for his arthritis, but also some who told me about pts.

I'll probably adopt another dog - I have a big heart and my house is empty without an animal. Not yet, but soon. No animal will replace my lovely Ringo, but perhaps I can save another dog from being pts. Ringo was 6 yrs old when I adopted him - a total live wire who escaped over 6 feet fences and scavenged on the streets for 3 months. He couldn't walk on a lead and dragged me through a holly bush on my bum when I was training him. He dragged a friend on his tummy up the road. Ringo always wanted to run away from humans during his first 6 months with me - his only experience of humans was being beaten with a hose pipe and watered-down with cold water.

We worked together with his fears until he could trust humans and have a safe and happy life. His fear of water always stayed - but I took him on narrowboat holidays and as long as he had his life jacket on, he felt invincible.

Thank you for reading this. It has helped to write it all down.

SW xx

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Wordsaremything · 04/03/2016 17:43

sw

Thank you so very much. I won't forget when the time comes. Xx I have posted about her on here before and my dread of her dying - and had such kind responses.

Ringo sounds a fabulous dog - to overcome his fear with your help - and he was a mature dog by then at six- then you said he went on to do search and rescue too? What a boy!

I know as I have experienced it, that the love between a dog and his or her owner and back is one of the purest there is - especially so I think if they are rescues and had bad experiences from wicked people in their early days.

My 'heart dog ' Meg was the same as your Ringo when she first came to live with me aged about 12 months - 16years ago - total tear away ( once snapped an extendable lead!!) until after much perseverance and boundary setting the fear melted away from her eyes - they sort of softened. She still hates men in fluorescent jackets and builders' boots though. I'll never know why but I can guess.

How fitting to put something of dh's with him too. That feels so right.

I know exactly what you mean about the empty house. I can't imagine a house for long without a dog or a cat. Someone somewhere will be landing on their paws when you decide the time is right!

I would love to read more about Ringo and see more pictures of him but only if you want to share.

Words

sadwidow28 · 04/03/2016 18:02

I know that there is a dog in my human family who needs rescuing. My SIL has taken on this dog when my DB died and DN emigrated to Latvia. She is a 3 yr old German Shephard/Collie. That appears to be a good mix.

However, she is not socialised with other dogs and must wear a muzzle when outside of the house. She is gentle and calm around children within the house. My great-niece loves being around her. Rosie is fearful when she is asked to go outside.

I can do this can't i?

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OliviaStabler · 04/03/2016 18:05

I am so sorry for your loss Flowers

Wordsaremything · 04/03/2016 18:28

Hi again

I have a pure bred collie - fabulous , loyal but slightly nervous dog and a terrier collie mix ( my darling old girl). I've also done a bit of limited rescue work - transporting mainly - with shepherds. There is something noble and gentle about them generally.

I'm no expert but I think it's a mix that could go really really well, or really really wrong. Not to say it can't be overcome - they are intelligent working breeds - but a highly reactive shepherd combined with a highly intelligent possibly nervy/ needy collie dog would be challenging. And I know this is wrong, but I would hate to have a dog who needs to be muzzled outside. I just would.

You've had three months or so to come to terms with the loss of Ringo so it's maybe something you have thought about for a little while. So maybe it's not over hasty, but on balance I'd counsel caution.

What does your rescue friend think? Could she meet this dog and give an honest assessment?

StillYummy · 04/03/2016 18:55

Just wanted to say I am so pleased you will be rescuing another dog and giving it the life of Ringo.

sadwidow28 · 04/03/2016 20:18

Wordsaremything

I was on the phone to my friend who runs the sanctuary as you posted. She said she would never take Rosie on .... too much mixed breed and not been socialised.

She's not even 3 years old yet. My brother should never have bought her anyway - £400 for a 'pure German Shepherd' and she arrived - black and collie in her!

I have spoken to SIL and Rosie is German/Belgian Shepherd and Collie cross. My friend (Sanctuary) says she wouldn't touch this cross at all. My younger sister has met the dog and says that Rosie is gentle and lovely.

Decisions.....!

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Wordsaremything · 04/03/2016 21:03

Listen to your friend. Don't take this dog on. Don't rush in to fill the gap. You are depriving THE eventual special dog for you of a home if you do - and you have some serious grieving to do , you know? You know you will never replace Ringo. But that doesn't mean you have to rush in. You must think carefully.

honeyroar · 04/03/2016 21:20

I agree to think carefully, but I would go and at least look at her. She needs help. I wouldn't personally write her off on the opinion of someone who hadn't met her. But realise that you will have to do some work to get her to be able to socialise etc. I've a house full of rescues, they've all been lovely, despite having dubious starts in the case of two of them.

Greyhorses · 04/03/2016 22:01

Sw, I have this exact cross. He is gorgeous (big black and fluffy!) and the most loving and intelligent dog i have ever met. He too is very gentle and loyal.
All he asks for is a throw of the ball and he is happy, he has some issues but nothing any combination couldn't have.

I personally would go for a look and see how you feel Smile

sadwidow28 · 04/03/2016 22:50

I now have a photo of Rosie. I sent a copy of the photo to my friend and she said "alarmingly under-weight".

I won't post the photo on here as I have decided to collect her on Friday. Even if she is not the dog for me she is under-weight and living in a kitchen. Her ears are in the alert position so I might be able to comfort her with my voice. My friend has forwarded a pet-adoption form that I need to get my SIL to sign and then I become responsible for Rosie without any redress.

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Wordsaremything · 05/03/2016 09:12

Hi sw

I'm sorry my post of last night was so dismissive - just reflecting on a friend's similar circumstances - but not with that cross so please ignore me! All the very best with Rosie - she is one very lucky dog !

Please keep us updated !

honeyroar · 05/03/2016 10:51

Aww, good luck.

One of our rescue dogs had had four homes before us, he was one. All he needed was proper exercise, diet and a real life. I hope that you find that with Rosie.

sadwidow28 · 06/03/2016 16:28

I can't post the picture of Rosie as she is not my dog. But I have found a close match for her via Google. I HAVE met this dog before but haven't spent a lot of time with her as she was immediately thrust back into the kitchen.

I know that she was purchased as a 'pedigree' for £400 - but a cross breed is a designer dog isn't it?

  • She is excellent around small children.
  • She hates other dogs and must be walked on a lead and muzzle at all times because she has never been socialised.
  • Rosie responds to a recall from my SIL when she attempts to run out the front door.
  • She wants to play with a tennis ball in the house.

My home is so empty without my Ringo. My heart is grieving but I have to make the best decision for the next dog and me.

Can anyone hold my hand tonight?  Elderly dog
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sadwidow28 · 06/03/2016 16:30

Oooops - wrong image Blush

This is the image I intended to post.

Can anyone hold my hand tonight?  Elderly dog
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sadwidow28 · 06/03/2016 17:08

Wordsaremything No apology necessary. I know that everyone on this thread is helping and opinions are welcome.

I have been widowed since 2001 and I had 3 cats at the time. I inherited my first dog (Border Collie/Spaniel cross) in 2002 and he had to accept my cats. My cats were all 17-18 years old and popped their clogs from 2001-2003. So when my inherited dog died in July 2004, I had to decide - dog or cat? I adopted Ringo 5 days later and he rescued me. I have had 10.5 years of independence with Ringo. We walked canal banks, forests, parks and woodlands. We have been on ferries and through the Euro Tunnel to visit friends. He has stayed at 4 and 5 star hotels with me and had freshly cooked steak brought up to our suite on a silver platter. (Well - it was good for a laff when he and I celebrated my birthday on my own!)

We worked for search and rescue and he was awarded a commendation for finding a teenager in a gulley. He went down 15 feet via the mud on command and laid beside the teenager to keep him warm. When Air Ambulance took the teenager out, I thought they would come back for Ringo - but it costs £1,000s/hour to run the air ambulance and they can't rescue a dog. I spent 3 hours encouraging Ringo to scramble up the mud slide. I eventually convinced someone in our Team 3 to put a rope round my waist and I would go half-way down and Ringo would scramble the other half up. I have never held on to 30kg of dog so tight in my life!

He took a lot of training and I didn't even like him at first. He was nearly returned to the Dogs' Home because he was so naughty, strong and powerful. I thought I could never manage him. But a mutual love developed slowly and he became my best companion. I accept that "my grief today is because of the love yesterday". I truly accept my grief as part of that special love and bond that Ringo and I developed over the years.

I was widowed aged 46 years (no children) and I know I will never re-marry, so the dog in my life is so important.

I really HAVE to get this decision right.

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