Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

The doghouse

If you're worried about your pet's health, please speak to a vet or qualified professional.

Dogs and fireworks

38 replies

JuneFromBethesda · 31/10/2015 20:57

Our darling rescue lab has been with us for a week and it's going really well, it's like she's always been part of the family Star

Tonight someone nearby is letting off fireworks and she's very anxious (we knew she would be, her previous owner mentioned this). When they started she literally leapt onto my lap. This is a 5-year-old lab so not a lapdog!

Obviously it's only going to get worse over the next week - our children's school is a five-minute walk away and they're having their annual fireworks do on Friday (we're not going). What can we do to help her get over her fear?

OP posts:
Cheerfulmarybrown · 01/11/2015 20:27

Oh good idea MrsAdora - get her to read this link that explains it much better than threads on here. By top American Dog Behaviourist

Fear and Thunderstorms

or

this one by Suzanne Clothier her name speaks or herself amongst educated dog trainers

and one more

here

Cheerfulmarybrown · 01/11/2015 20:32

Fido spells it out clearly

Dogs and fireworks
JuneFromBethesda · 01/11/2015 21:42

Thanks everyone. More fireworks tonight and again a very scared dog. I took her outside but we couldn't see anything so that didn't help.

I'm off to buy an Adaptil collar tomorrow and will try the loud TV approach! As for reassuring or not, I couldn't see her looking so terrified and not try to calm her; although equally my reassurance seems to have little or no effect! But she's still new to us so has had a big upheaval in her life recently anyway. Hopefully with time we will learn how to lessen her anxiety.

Thanks for the tips Smile

OP posts:
Shriek · 01/11/2015 21:48

labs are wusses?!? i don't know what kind of lab you have, or what kind of treatment its had, LMFAO - labs are wusses when it comes to loud noises Grin i expect spaniels and other gundogs are too, despite all the evidence to the contrary, so praps its just the way they are treated... praps

some of these threads have such weird comments on them!

... and cartoons that take the piss completely, quite horrible actually.

'spells it out clearly' - all a bit of a joke ... telling trainers to suck eggs - KC reigstered trainers/top trainers. .. just stick with one that works, and i think you are doing.

if this trainer has worked for you and your ddog then you're on the right track i reckon, but what do any of us know huh?

Shriek · 01/11/2015 21:53

If she is focussed on enjoying or engaged in something else she will cope better.

and moving around better than being shut indoors unless you can completely block out/over-ride the noise.

Good Luck!!! its horrible to watch your ddog suffer this way. Short of behaving change, what other drugs have owners of stresed ddogs use? can ddogs take beta-blockers!?

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 01/11/2015 21:58

Cheerful that last link is quite good. This bit -

If you scoop him up and clutch him tightly in fear, he’s going to think, “wow, mom’s really upset. I was right, that dog was dangerous!” If, instead, you calmly pick him up while chatting to him in a cheerful and relaxed tone, you can begin to teach him that you’ll keep him safe, but that the entire situation really isn’t a big deal.

  • is exactly what I meant. Although possibly not singing and dancing. Grin

The rest of the articles are a little bit outdated and I don't think the example of the rats is quite accurate but it's always interesting to see another viewpoint.

honeyroar · 01/11/2015 22:02

I'm glad all is going well with your new doggy apart from this. With a bit of luck it will perhaps be worse because she is also in a fairly new environment and home, she may be better next year..

Our labs adore bangs too. We go to game fairs in the summer and do fun dog drives, where they shoot a dummy out of a tube with a loud bang, and the dog gets to chase it and bring it back. Since them they think all bangs are the sound of fun!

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 01/11/2015 22:06

Sorry June I got sidetracked. Blush The reassurance is good though but you just have to see what works for her. Do you take her training? What does your instructor say?

Cheerfulmarybrown · 02/11/2015 08:15

Uo to date comments fro Kris Glover BA (Hons), MSc (CABC), CCAB APBC

Monday Myth: Don’t comfort your dog when he’s afraid of something as you will reward him for being fearful

Whether your dog is scared of fireworks, hot air balloons or the vets, many of our canine friends like to seek comfort by being close to us or even snuggling up really close and maintaining physical contact.
If you have a fearful dog that will do just that when scared, you might have been advised to ignore him when he does it, to walk away from him, avoid stroking and “babying” him so you don’t make him more fearful and rewarding him for all the panting, shivering, whinging and hiding.
Despite all that advice, a lot of us, sometimes guiltily, still cuddle our frightened dogs as this seems to be a natural thing to do. After all we care about our friends and hate to see them in such a state of distress, and really want to do something to make them feel better.

Fortunately more and more trainers and behaviourists debunk the myth about rewarding the fear and making your dog more fearful by giving him reassurance and attention. And here is why.

Fear, unlike, say, a “sit” command, is not an operant behaviour, which means that it is not motivated by reward, lack or reward, or punishment. Fear is an emotional reaction accompanied by a physiological response (increased respiration and heart rate, release of adrenaline and cortisol, dilation of the pupils, salivation) and it is mediated by the autonomic branch of the nervous system – which is not under voluntary control (unlike, for example, the muscles in our arms). In other words, your dog can’t do much about being fearful, just like you can’t help being afraid of spiders or heights (if that’s what you’re scared of). You can’t just say “be fearful, here is your treat” in the same way that you say “sit, here is your treat” - fear is not something one can influence in that way. Not to mention that if your dog experiences acute stress, his learning will be very limited - and even if you could reward fear, your dog would not be able to learn anyway (think how well you can concentrate on learning new tasks if you are stressed – probably not very well at all!)

What we can do, however, is attempt to change the emotional response our dog has to something by pairing the fear-inducing stimulus (e.g. fireworks) with something pleasant (such as food or cuddles)! This can help your dog slowly desensitize to whatever he’s fearful of, and your touch and attention will also help release “happy chemicals” into his nervous system (such as for example oxytocin, which is a known “relaxation hormone” released for example during nursing or massage).

So if your dog likes to be cuddled when stressed – go ahead and give him as much reassurance as you want. It won’t make the fear any worse, and can actually help your dog cope with the stressor.

Chrisalice · 02/11/2015 09:22

I believe there's evidence that providing something that has a pleasant association, such as high value rewards, while exposed to a previously aversive stimulus can change the emotional response to the stimulus. It would be really good to work on this with the sounds at a lower level and build up, you can get dvds to help dogs treat it as background noise, and you could use this to condition the different response.
In time the sound can become paired with a positive emotional state.

I did this to prevent my dog reacting to the hysterical barking of neighbours dogs who also scrabble at the fence, the sound is now the cue to run indoors in a happy state of mind anticipating a treat, rather than feel threatened get aroused in a bad way and shout back.

JuneFromBethesda · 02/11/2015 09:27

Thanks shriek and honeyroar and everyone else Smile

MsAdorabelle, we haven't started training yet - only had her a week! - but I'm signing us up for classes this week as she barked her head off at a poor man we passed in the park this morning. She has issues with some men, and some dogs too, due to her past and it's making walks a bit stressful so I need to sort it out. But that's another issue for another thread ...!

OP posts:
JuneFromBethesda · 02/11/2015 09:30

Chrisalice, that's fascinating - I'll have a look at that!

OP posts:
Chrisalice · 02/11/2015 09:39

JuneFromBethesda, the woman is Sophia Yin, sadly deceased totally wonderful vet and researcher. She has a lot of videos on you tube and her dvds are excellent (her books also fabulous but I found the dvds added so much to my understanding).
Maybe a little late to change ddogs response for this year, but as the clip shows, it can be effective really fast so who knows! Good luck, its been like a war zone for about a week round here, sheesh.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page