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Neighbour says the dog is whining when we go out. Thunder shirt?

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WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 07/09/2015 18:14

Neighbour stopped me today and said did I know the dog is whining every time we go out. I didn't know, so said sorry. Told her we do have a dog walker and that Id try leaving the radio on low.

We live in a semi and I don't want to upset the neighbour's although she said it didn't bother her......I suspect it probably does. It would bother me.

Though since mid/late July the dog has only been left once as dd has been at home. So not sure if it was just last Friday as the dog was a bit not used to being on her own again after dd being home all holiday. Maybe after a few days she will be ok? But neighbour said its every time which suggests it's more than once, so maybe was happening last school year.

Dog is over a year old. We had another dog who died in late April/early May so she's had that to cope with. I work 3 days a week, leave the house at 8am, dog walker comes about 11am, dd is home at 3pm.

She has a Kong but ive been a bit slack at using as she didn't seem to be fussed about peanut butter. So will get some Kong paste stuff and see if she likes that, put it in the freezer. She has a brain toy but it takes her ten seconds to do it.

Has anyone any experience of thunder shirts?

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exLtEveDallas · 07/09/2015 18:22

My friend had a rottie that was petrified of fireworks. It was so bad that every Nov 5th he spent the night sedated at the vets - she found a thundershirt invaluable in the lead up to bonfire night; the dog used to fit and foam at the mouth before she discovered them.

She also uses one on her cocker that went blind a couple of years ago - if she walks her without it she won't move more than a few inches from my friends legs, if she wears it then you wouldn't know she was blind.

So only anecdotal evidence, but positive Smile

LaContessaDiPlump · 07/09/2015 18:26

Thundershirt? Que?

Hackersschmakers · 07/09/2015 18:30

It didn't work for fireworks for my dog, but before I bought it and read up on it I think they said they were better for anxiety? My dog want a to fight the fireworks so he's not anxious, just angry!

I don't know I thy are still doing it but when I got mine you could get your money back if it don't work.

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 07/09/2015 18:34

Yeah the vet nurse reckons they're good. She's used one for her dog with a firework fear and says it helped and she's heard of people using it with good effect for separation anxiety.

But when she showed me one it just looks like a cotton dog outfit which you make sure is a tight fit.....I was expecting it to be some special material.

Money back offer sounds good, will investigate that!

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Seriouslyffs · 07/09/2015 18:35

Try a crate. She's whining because she's stressed out being left to guard the house. Our neighbour came round after our dog barked the fire time we left her home alone; I put her in a crate we'd brought for the car and she relaxed immediately. So much so that if occasionally come home and she'd be fast asleep and completely unaware thatnid returned.

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 07/09/2015 18:39

contessa, it's just a tight dog coat which is meant to calm them down.

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WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 07/09/2015 18:40

We have got a crate, will try her in that. Not used it with her previously as the older dog when we got him hated it and barked non stop if put in it. Same neighbour did complain then and as soon as we stopped using the crate the barking stopped. But different dog might like it.

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WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 08/09/2015 13:49

Have dug the crate out, does it look big enough? She would have enough space to lie down as her normal bed fits in with space to spare.

Ive been throwing treats in the crate for her all morning and she gets them but doesn't lie on her bed/stay in the crate.

I had to nip out for 15 mins just now and have come back and her chin is all wet as if she's been stress drooling which she does on car journeys. So I'm thinking at the minute she's not keen. I'm at work tomorrow but think it's too early days to leave her in all day even with the dog walker coming.

Neighbour says the dog is whining when we go out.  Thunder shirt?
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Floralnomad · 08/09/2015 17:06

On days when you work she would be in a crate for 5+ hours ,even with a dog walker - IMO that is cruel , dogs need room to move ,whether they choose to do so is up to them . Think about it OP would you like to be confined in that small an area for that length of time .

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 08/09/2015 17:47

No I wouldnt. Which is why ive never used one.

But I know lots of people swear by them and reckon their dogs are happier in them. Thought it might be worth a go.....but really not sure.

If she's not happy and doesn't get to the point of starting to go in there on her own and volunteer for it then no way would I put her in it while I go to work.

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Itsmine · 08/09/2015 18:08

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Floralnomad · 08/09/2015 18:14

Leaving the door open is fine , many people do not do that though as frankly you may as well just get a covered dog bed / ordinary dog bed which looks much nicer and is less obtrusive in most normal sized homes .

moosemama · 09/09/2015 13:32

Thundershirt didn't work for my boy that has Separation Anxiety, but Pets At Home honoured the money back guarantee, including allowing us to try two different sizes because he's an odd shape for coats etc, being a skinny Lurcher.

You could try a DAP (Dog Appeasing Pheromone) diffuser or collar and I would try again with the Kong and perhaps something like a Kong Wobbler or treat dispensing ball. Try something super stinky and delicious in the Kong the one mine have most regularly is sardines in tomato sauce, mixed with their kibble, then frozen to make them last longer. My boy didn't respond to DAP, but Pet Remedy relaxing spray definitely has a calming effect on him. He was dumped at birth, so never with his mum though, which might explain why the pheromones don't work on him.

Other things that may help are leaving a TV or radio on, so the house isn't as quiet and getting her used to not being in the same room as someone all the time when you are home.

She may like the crate as a den, if you leave the door open and if you leave her treats in there every day that will help build positive associations, but I wouldn't close the door if she has to be left for that long.

Is there someone else you could get to pop in more regularly and perhaps let her outside for a few minutes or just sit with her for a while? Would you neighbour possibly be willing to do it, if it meant a quiet life for her?

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 09/09/2015 22:19

moose tried carrots and dairy lea in the Kong today and she was loads more interested in that.

Ive found an 8 hour YouTube video of relaxing dog music which im going to play for her.

Ive also found an app where I can set my iPad up as a camera and microphone and then access the live feed from my mobile phone. So I can get a good idea of how bad a problem it is which I think might be worth doing.

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WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 09/09/2015 22:19

Good to know at least you got a refund btw.

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WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 09/09/2015 22:20

I'm going to forget the crate as well, she's showing no interest in it at all.

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moosemama · 09/09/2015 22:36

Sounds good - my two love anything cheesy. I use cottage cheese mixed with kibble in some, also do scrambled egg and sometimes buy forthglade's tripe trays, which are always a big hit.

I've tried the dog-music, but only while I was in. I reckoned they did seem more relaxed, but dh said I was fooling myself and they definitely prefer Cbeebies left on the TV! Grin

I think the app is a great idea. I don't have an Ipad, but have been nagging dh to buy a wireless camera that you can access via an app, as you can get them for around ??50.00 now. I figure, not only could I watch to see exactly what he does and at what point he goes over threshold (currently only record him via a dictaphone, so sound only) but I could use it to gradually extend how long he's left by making sure I always go back in just before he goes over his tipping point. Some of them have sound too, so that might also help if he'll respond to my voice over it.

I have been known to sit on the drive in our caravan mnetting with a baby monitor set up, while I was extending the time he could be left. We got up to an hour, but he's right back down to 15 minutes again now, after having everyone home throughout the summer - and he can only do 15 minutes as long as his treats/kongs don't run out. I could use a camera even more effectively than the baby monitor in that scenario.

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 09/09/2015 22:59

Gosh, 15 mins isn't long at all! Poor you.

I do think my dog might have regressed over summer with being used to people at home. Am hoping she improves swiftly! Have you got neighbours who are been upset or are you just worried about the dog?

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moosemama · 10/09/2015 09:20

15 minutes is just enough for me to get dd to school or back. I have to prepare a freezer full of kongs weekly and make sure he also has a green-feeder of kibble and a chew as well to keep him busy. He starts to yell the minute he stops eating and desperately needs to learn to settle himself without food, but no luck with that so far. Daft thing is, when I'm ill in bed upstairs I don't hear a peep from him all day and he often spends all day in a different room to me, so he doesn't actually need me he just wants me to be there just in case. Hmm

At the end of the summer term, while my neighbours were on holiday, I trialled going upstairs and lying on the bed for half an hour, then sneaking out the front door and he was fine. I managed to go out for almost two hours and he didn't notice I'd gone!

Ironically, my neighbours complained when our older dog started howling after our old dog, who he was very close to, died. (My neighbours are actually lovely, but child, pet-less, retired and home all day every day.) I did a separation anxiety programme with him, which worked to the point of him being able to be left for about an hour and a half, but then, through lots of research discovered he actually has isolation distress, not separation anxiety (basically he is fine as long as someone, human or animal, is with him) so we were advised to get another dog.

So, we took on a rescue pup that had, unfortunately, had a truly dreadful start and as a result is highly anxious and over-attached. So now the older dog is fine when we go out and just sleeps, but the younger one screams like a banshee. Hmm

His is definitely separation anxiety and it's mainly focussed on me, but he's gradually got a bit better at staying with dh and/or my older two boys - although he still whinges the whole time, but thankfully not the full on screaming that bothers the neighbours.

I've done a lot of work with him and he will improve to be able to be left for up to an hour, but then regresses every school holiday or if I am ill, which unfortunately is fairly regularly. The good news is that it's fairly quick to build up the time again each time now that he's done it before.

I find it difficult to do a proper SA desensitisation programme with him, because he picks up leaving signals so easily and I have three dcs to get to three different schools every day, plus a ds with ASD who needs routine.

I've had him for two years now and my life has been completely constricted because of his SA. I'm currently learning to drive, so I can at least pop to the shops or a local cafe and leave him in the car with our other dog for a short while to get me out of the house, other than for dog walks, occasionally. For some reason he's happy to settle in the car, as long as our other dog is with him and I have on occasion had to resort to putting him in there on the drive for school assemblies like Star of the Week etc, where you get short notice and I haven't been able to arrange for someone to sit with him. We're lucky to have a longstanding good relationship with a brilliant boarding kennels as well, so were able to get him used to staying there with our other dog and he's happy there now, so I can at least get the odd weekend away or put them in there for a day/night if we want to do a family day out.

I've been through cycles of being so upset and frustrated at the situation, just as my last dc went into school full time I ended up with a dog that stops me having any freedom, but I've come full circle now. It is what it is, I know I've always had a tendency to end up with the dogs that would have just kept bouncing back into rescue and I won't give up on them, so I guess he's here for a reason.

My biggest worry is what will happen when our older lad dies. He's 10 this year, so there's an 8 year age gap and it will happen eventually. I'd really rather not take on another dog for him to teach to howl/scream, but I know he'd never cope as an only dog either. Suppose we'll have to cross that bridge when we come to it.

catzpyjamas · 10/09/2015 09:29

Thundershirts do help in a lot of anxiety cases. Also as pp said, Adaptil plug in or collar might help. There are also Zylkene capsules that you can try.

moosemama · 10/09/2015 09:55

We used Zylkene to get our boy used to kennels, so that he was calm and only made positive associations. Seems to have worked as he loves the place, even though he knows I don't stay there with him.

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