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Persuading DP to get a puppy for DD

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MistletoeBUTNOwine · 25/03/2015 20:45

We already have a 7yo lab who is lovely.
And a guinea pig, 2 hamsters, 2 chickens and some goldfish.. But dd(9) would LOVE a puppy of her very own..
Tips on persuading dp please.. He's worried the new sofas will get shredded and the house will be trashed

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MistletoeBUTNOwine · 25/03/2015 20:46

A friend has some 'bordoodles' ready in 4 weeks... They're lovely!
I just know Dd would be ecstatic

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Hakluyt · 25/03/2015 20:50

Only if you want a puppy. You will have to do all the work. Because your dd will be at school, and anyway will lose interest after about 4 weeks.

Oh, and don't encourage breeders of designer dogs. Sorry to be a misery.........!

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MistletoeBUTNOwine · 25/03/2015 20:52

Dd is home educated so will be around every day
She takes lab out most days already. But ikwym and yes I'd take up the slack when/if she loses interest.
They bred their collie with a poodle, mainly because they don't (?) shed..

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EasyToEatTiger · 25/03/2015 21:04

Your dd is now 9. A puppy is 0. Your dd will start big school in a couple of years and will have new priorities. She will then be thinking about moving out, maybe further education. She will then be responsible for an elderly dog and will have to be making end of life decisions. Your dd will be a teenager/young adult. You will be responsible for the beginning and the end. It is fantastic to see young handlers. If that is what you want, go for it. It will not ultimately be her dog. That will have to wait until she's a bit older and has her own life.

daisydotandgertie · 25/03/2015 21:09

A collie/poodle cross is BOUND to shed! And will also be quite a handful, I'd guess. Have they had any health tests done?

Hoppinggreen · 25/03/2015 21:14

Never never get a pet for a child, especially a dog. We will be getting a dog This year or next and it is supposedly for DD10 but both me and DH know that the dog will involve the whole family and as willing as DD might be the dog care will ultimately be down to the grown ups.
Are you experienced dog owners? Collies are a working breed and can be hard work, breeding them with a poodle will probably not change that and nobody can say whether these crosses will shed or not.

Buttholelane · 25/03/2015 21:45

Bordoodle.
So sad.
Ridiculous act of greed with no knowledge of genetics or inherited disease.

I have a border collie.
I bought her cheap off a sheep farmer.
She's a lovely dog, but I believe she is slowly going blind.
If only her parents had been health tested....
Both collies and poodles are prone to eye problems, amongst other things.

Hakluyt · 25/03/2015 21:52

Oh, I thought a bordoodle would be a border/poodle cross. Which would also be bound to shed.

I hate this 21st century trade in mongrels.

Buttholelane · 25/03/2015 21:56

Also, poodles are actually working dogs aswell and rate very highly as one of the most intelligent breeds, Infact, I think they are actually classed at 2, just below the collie.

I'll warn you now, high intelligence does not make for an 'easy' pet usually.
They can be wilful, questioning just what benefit there is for them, training can be a nightmare because they can be too precise taking into account your exact hand movements, tone etc.
they can sometimes learn how to open crates, doors etc.

MostAmused · 25/03/2015 22:50

I agree that getting a dog for a child is not a good idea. If you and your partner aren't both 100% you're on the back foot from the start.
Also aren't poodles quite stubborn and (often) not interested in food (thus IMO harder to train quickly as praise or toys/games need to be used instead) so crossing with a high energy working dog like a collie for a pet dog seems ludicrous tbh.

Queenofknickers · 25/03/2015 23:00

Please please consider a rescue

liveloveluggage · 25/03/2015 23:03

I don't think you should get a dog for a child, a dog should be a family pet, however if your dd wants to take main responsibility for feeding, walking and training that's fine but I think you have to help 100% especially with the training which is so important to get right and can be tricky if the dog has any difficult behaviours. Also your dh has to be positive about getting the dog and willing to help with it if necessary, for example if you are unwell, although he wouldn't have to care for it day to day.

Buttholelane · 25/03/2015 23:04

Not stubborn imo, just clever.
The clever dog analyses and assesses, they don't follow blindly.

Collies and poodles are very, very similar in my opinion - extreme intelligence, both working dogs, similar size, both share similar inherited diseases.

It would make more sense to buy a pure border collie or a pure poodle I think.
From a 'proper' breeder.
Not some greedy fool who put two dogs together willy nilly to make a nice bit of money because they won't shed even though there's a 50% chance they will

AlpacaMyBags · 26/03/2015 00:08

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Chattymummyhere · 26/03/2015 07:24

You and your dh need to be the ones to want a dog but you can let your DD pick the puppy out of a litter and name it but it shouldn't be hers.

Two of ours we say are our children's but their not its just they are around the same ages of the children.

Also if you want a non moulting breed buy that breed not a cross that might not moult my dh's Aunty brought two labradoodles because they don't moult but they do! One has the lab coat length but the poodle curls and just always looks like a stray, the other has the poodle hair, both from the same litter.

Collies and poodles are quite energetic by their own rights without crossing the two.

insanityscratching · 26/03/2015 11:27

We have a poodle cross, he is technically dd's dog although in essence she named him and they play together. Everything else is done by dh and I and we expected that so it's not a shock or surprise.
Dd is 12 now (he was bought for her 11th birthday) and she undeniably adores Eric and he adores her however she wouldn't want to walk him in the rain or cold or when she had other plans. She wouldn't want to touch his raw food or pick up his poo. So she has all the nice bits about owning Eric with none of the hard stuff. If you and dh are prepared for that then maybe it's worth considering.
Eric doesn't shed hair but he's crossed with a shih tzu and looks like a shih tzu but he is pure poodle temperament. He is clever and attention seeking and he is always up to mischief. He climbs, he opens doors, he steals, he hides stuff, he might be 9 inches high but he can clear the stairgate from standing. We love him and he makes us laugh but his intelligence doesn't make him an easy dog because if he's bored he is looking for trouble so on top of the long walks we teach him tricks and give him puzzles to keep him busy.

JustBeingJuliet · 26/03/2015 17:30

I have a collie x poodle (accidental cross - can't imagine why anyone would deliberately cross those two breeds tbh!) and she's as mad as a box of frogs and sheds everywhere! She's far too big and strong for a 9 year old to manage on the lead (I have a 9yo as well) and, although very trainable and friendly, has a LOT of the collie personality and a very high prey drive. She's 7 now and I keep thinking she might calm down soon! I wouldn't change her for anything, but it's a strange combination of breeds!

giddypark · 27/03/2015 09:06

I feel like a border/poodle would be to the dog world as the bengal is to the cat. Ie, almost not even a dog. ime poodles are bright, a touch lazy, and prone to thinking they are human. Borders know they are dogs, but even more bright (debatably) and my GOD the get up and go.

So... an extremely intelligent, unbelievably energetic dog that might think it's human.

Rather you than me!

AlphaBravoHenryFoxtons · 31/03/2015 18:39

I don't understand why designer breeds should be discouraged any more than any other dog breeder.

I think cross breeds can be just as nice as pure breeds. I have a cross breed and she's everything I could ever want in a dog: smart, bouncy, responsive, gentle, intelligent, fun, loyal

AlphaBravoHenryFoxtons · 31/03/2015 18:52

Dogs of any breed/cross will be great if they have sensible owners. The sturdiest lab from bombproof lineage, with papers going back centuries, will be a nervous wreck in the hands of a chaotic, shouty household just as an untrained, nervous, unsocialised dog can be transformed in the hands of a sound owner.

NCIS · 31/03/2015 18:53

I have a Border Collie, he's great but has needed a lot of hard work and training classes. A collie/poodle cross, why just why?

You can never guarantee they won't shed and you will have an almost certainly super intelligent, super energetic dog which will need much much more than a couple of walks a day. It will need masses of training plus a job. Are you prepared to spend half your day doing that? I doubt your DD will be able to give that much time to it, certainly as she becomes a teenager.
I know puppies are really cute but a very clever one is really really hard work. You really can't compare it with a lab and they're hard enough work as pups.

Ifyourawizardwhydouwearglasses · 31/03/2015 18:58

What in fuck is a 'bordoodle' was my first thought....

Poodles don't shed. Collies do. The puppies will more than likely shed. And be fucking nuts. What mental cross.

Sorry, what was the question...?

Ifyourawizardwhydouwearglasses · 31/03/2015 18:59

Ps - people don't breed with poodles to create a non-shedding dog. They do it so that they can stick 'doodle' or 'poo' into the name thereby making them sound irresistible to numpties

Sorry.

AlphaBravoHenryFoxtons · 31/03/2015 19:20

Why would a border/poodle cross be bound to shed? Surely there's a good chance it will inherit the poodle's non-shedding genes?

My dog is a poodle (father) crossed with a cocker spaniel (mother). She doesn't shed. That is a bonus as surely everyone would prefer not to have their houses, clothes and cars covered in pet hair if that was on offer?

My dog makes up for her non shedding by finding a muddy watercourse on every single walk and coming home caked in thick mud.

Ifyourawizardwhydouwearglasses · 31/03/2015 20:23

Why would a border/poodle cross be bound to shed? Surely there's a good chance it will inherit the poodle's non-shedding genes?

Yes, and just as good a chance that they'll inherit the mega shedding collie genes...

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