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Dogs and their stress signals

41 replies

Lyinginwait888 · 18/02/2015 22:21

Firstly Thanks to Brittany. Much love to you and your family. Sorry your thread got pulled. It was really useful. There were some brilliant links showing dogs fear/aggression signs.

I read some of the links and have been staggered at how many mistakes I've been making. I spent the evening looking back at some of my photos and am so ashamed at some of the signals my dogs have been showing that I've been blissfully unaware of.

Here's the links in the thread I have read and found useful:

4pawsu

liamjperk

I hope others found this as useful as I did.

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DunelmDoris · 18/02/2015 22:31

Lying it is so great that you've posted this.

This information is vital. Supervision alone is useless unless you know what you're supervising.

www.robinkbennett.com/2013/08/19/why-supervising-dogs-and-kids-doesnt-work/

Lyinginwait888 · 18/02/2015 22:39

Another great link, thank you.

I love the idea the dog should look 'curved and wiggly' Grin

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brittanyfairies · 18/02/2015 22:41

I don't know why my thread got pulled, I think it was a couple of posters bitching at each other, but MNHQ haven't sent me an email or anything.

Anyhow, the reason I started my thread was because I didn't want people to make the same mistakes as me. So Lying you are at least one person who's read my story and taken it on board, so tonight, I'm going to go to bed and be happy that I've helped one person be a little more aware and maybe Monty's death is not in vain.

So thank you so much and I sincerely hope that any changes you make bring more happiness and contentment to the lives of you and your precious dogs.

EasyToEatTiger · 18/02/2015 23:02

i am so sorry for you loss, Brittany. Flowers I hope your son is better soon and thank you for being so brave.

Loveleopardprint · 18/02/2015 23:06

Your story really touched me. I talked to my dc today about looking for the stress signals. I also made them read the links. Our little dog is cuddly but sometimes they do annoy her by picking her up at the wrong time. We have discussed this again today and told them your story so they respect the dog as an animal in its own right and not as a play thing. I hope your DS is ok and heals well.

DunelmDoris · 18/02/2015 23:09

Brittany Flowers

Many moons ago I suggested to MNHQ that this would make a really great basis for a campaign.

People are worried about "dangerous dogs", yet parents are unwittingly putting their children at risk from family pets. An educational campaign aimed at parents from a medium they are familiar with could have a massive impact. Giving people the knowledge to keep themselves and their children safe is the best way to improve dog bite statistics.

I work in this area and have a number of contacts who have major involvement in dog behaviour and bite prevention, so I would be well placed to facilitate something in order to get it off the ground.

In fact, I'll report this and maybe MNHQ could reconsider.

DishwasherDogs · 18/02/2015 23:14

Your story touched me too, because (as I said on the other thread), if we hadn't recognised stress signals, this could have easily been us over Christmas when our puppy was ill.

The way some people let their dc treat their dogs is frightening, and an accident waiting to happen - letting the dc pull ears and tails, climb all over the dog, sit on their backs, and all the while the dog is showing clear signals that it is unhappy. People expect far too much of their pets.
(Brittany - not meaning you in this paragraph at all!)

lemisscared · 18/02/2015 23:19

really useful links. thanks x

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 18/02/2015 23:45

I was following your thread Brittany and I posted a couple of times to you, I didn't get involved with all the unnecessary arguing. Your awful story was a wake up call. We all assume our dogs are fine. I'm sure that there was something wrong with your dog, as someone else said perfectly happy healthy dogs do not bite their much loved owners for no reason. You did the right thing though because of course you couldn't possibly predict that he wouldn't do it again, for whatever reason. I'm so sorry this happened to you. Your poor ds and your poor dog too. Flowers

Incidentally, we are possibly having a puppy in a couple of months. We lost our old boy just before Christmas so are getting ready for our next dog. I actually quite like the name Monty, it's on our boys names shortlist. The litter that we're down for is due next week. Smile

Lying thanks for this thread. I was really cross that my genuine posts to Brittany got lost in the bunfight. Your links are brilliant and I've bookmarked them for reference.

StripeyCustard · 19/02/2015 00:11

Thanks for posting OP. I was watching that thread for the links.

Brittany I told my children about it too, so many thanks for posting originally and I hope you are all OK.

Toooldtobearsed · 19/02/2015 05:34

Brittany, I also posted on your other thread and I am afraid I was one who had posts deleted - I did post an apology to you for it, so hope you saw it, but I was so incensed at what was being said that for the first time ever on MN, I snapped back. Nothing I said was as offensive as the other poster though, so not happy.
However, don't want to derail this one, so many thanks to Lying for these links.

muttynutty · 19/02/2015 09:32

I'm sorry your thread was pulled by a few selfish posters behaviour Brittany. I hope your family is feeling calmer and beginning to recover from your awful ordeal

Below is a very timely post from the wonderful Kris Glover and a video link showing very clearly dogs body language that may be useful to others. (No way am I saying that this was missed by Brittany) But it may help other dog owners with children to feel more in control of a situation.

Thursday Tip: Why it’s important to learn to read your dog
Humans are a very vocal species and tend to convey a lot through words. However, people also use body language to a large extent. While it doesn’t come naturally to everyone to read human non verbal behaviour, it is definitely easier than reading other non-human animals such as dogs.

Dogs, on the other hand, use vocalization for only a fraction of the time when they communicate and yet being human we concentrate on it an awful lot. So we don’t tend to see stress in dogs until they growl or bite, or don’t notice that the dog is distressed until it cries out. If we only focus on what the dogs “verbalise” we miss out an awful lot of information, which not only impoverishes our relationship with our pets, but can also be quite dangerous if we miss out on some warning signs from a dog that is behaving in a threatening way.

So while we will never be able to appreciate the olfactory communication that plays a vital role in how dogs talk to one another, we can definitely learn to watch and interpret their body language.

One of the most important things you should learn about your dog is how he communicates that he is stressed/uncomfortable and how he conveys that he is happy/contented. If you can distinguish between these two states you will be able to make sure you don’t put your dog into a stressful situation unnecessarily and inadvertently by assuming he is fine while in fact he is not enjoying it at all.

Your dog’s face will be able to tell you a lot. His ears back and plastered to his head, yawning, licking his lips, a closed mouth and tense muzzle, panting even though he isn’t hot, the visible whites of his eyes, loads of blinking, a furrowed brow and “worry wrinkles” going from the corners of his eyes towards his cheeks will all indicate that he is uncomfortable.

Then look at his tail – if it’s tucked under his belly or even held down, your dog is quite worried (this will of course be very breed specific!). But a stressed dog ready to defend himself might as well hold his tail up and wag it stiffly – remember that a waggy tail does not always equal a happy dog. Many dogs will wag their tail furiously while showing territorial aggression so don’t assume that just because the tail is wagging, everything is fine.

Watch your dog’s body posture, too. A dog that is quite stiff or moves slowly, turns his head away from what it considers threatening or stares at it intently, is worried. If he lifts his front foot up, or rolls onto his back and stays there in quite a stiff position, possibly licking his lips and averting his gaze (as opposed to a splayed legs akimbo position) he isn’t happy and it would not be wise to come up and give him a belly rub.

Now, a happy dog is a completely different story. A happy dog is loose – his ears are floppy and relaxed, his eyes are soft, his mouth might be open and the tongue visible. His tail will be horizontal and sweeping. A very excited dog might wag his tail furiously and the whole body will wag with the tail, too.

Below you will find a link to a video which we posted before but which is really useful when you want to learn how to successfully read your dog.

Written by the team at Pets in Practise, "where positivity and determination, works!".

Thanks to the gorgeous Gato Korzeniowska for being such a superb model too.

SinclairSpectrum · 19/02/2015 10:21

Fab fab fab video - just showed the kids and they guessed correctly at the end!

MurkyMinotaur · 19/02/2015 10:28

The same day I read your thread, just happened to be the day my dog was attacked by another dog on a walk. There was nothing, in my circumstances, I could have done to stop that. The dogs met across a field when two wide games of fetch came within dog social distance. I'm not a dog owner, but was dog-walking for a friend. However, the experience made me want to understand dog psychology and communication more.
I'm grateful for those links, which I've read and Brittany and Lying - you have definitely spread wider awareness and understanding. Thank you. I wish it was under happier circumstances but the knowledge from your thread will be appreciated and used well. You've contributed something really useful and positive. Thanks again.

rationaloptimist123 · 19/02/2015 12:24

Not a dog owner but these links have been very helpful.

However, this in no way absolves dog owners to have their pet under control at all times.

I witnessed a horrific attack on a toddler where the owner was adamant that it was somehow the child's "fault" but rook absolutely no responsibility for bringing her dog to a busy school run. In such circumstances sadly there can be only one solution.

Booboostoo · 19/02/2015 13:02

Another useful tip is to teach all children how to approach dogs:

  • first ask the owner if you may caress the dog,
  • then ask the dog, which means calmly extend your arm so the dog can snip your hand. If the dog backs away, turns away or moves its head away it is effectively saying no to the interaction. It is important to teach children that dogs have the choice to say no and this must be respected.
  • if the dog sniffs or licks the hand that is a yes, so the child can now stroke it. The best place to stroke a dog is under the chin, some dogs may become worried with a hand over their head
  • a dog can always change its mind so look out for signals that the dog does not want to be stroked anymore.
  • never kiss, cuddle or hug a dog.
MapofTassie · 20/02/2015 09:23

Check this link out - our local dog trainer posted it on her Facebook page. Very enlightening!
www.mnn.com/family/pets/quiz/how-fluent-are-you-in-dog-speak#content

PlayNiceNow · 20/02/2015 09:29

Excellent thread and some brilliant links here. Am passionate about this subject and am currently studying animal behaviour.
I think it's a great idea for a campaign and once I'm qualified I hope to do talks in local schools.

SeaLavender · 20/02/2015 09:52

These links are brilliant. I'm reasonably good at reading dogs but I want to teach the children and grandchildren. Not just for my dog but other dogs they might meet.

averylongtimeago · 20/02/2015 10:15

I invited a local dog trainer to come in and talk to our Guides about understanding "dog" and how to behave around dogs.
I have 2 Goldies and the number of parents who happily let their children run up to my dogs and try to hug and pat them is shocking.

TooOldForGlitter · 20/02/2015 16:59

I really think that there needs to be much much better awareness of understanding dog, and also of respecting dogs when out and about, many many people do seem to treat dogs as public property.

This morning on my facebook there was a post from the local radio station (who I follow) asking for listeners to post photos of their pets. Then followed hundreds of photos of babies and children hugging dogs, lieing on top of dogs, riding on dogs, pulling their fur/eyes/lips and each one had a similar caption as to how 'soft' the dog was and how much it loved it. I think all bar one or two of the dogs was giving off very clear stress signals.

sweetkitty · 20/02/2015 17:18

I've done a lot on this with my own DC, never touch a sleeping dog as you could startle them, no pulling or hugging around the neck. No sitting on them etc it's so important to show your DC how to behave around a dog and how to tell the dog doesn't like something.

My dog does really love the DC and will always want to sit or lie with them but it's her choice.

TooOldForGlitter · 20/02/2015 20:58

Just re-reading this thread and I agree with PP that this could be a really valuable campaign. I think so many people just don't know.

Lyinginwait888 · 20/02/2015 21:35

I've played some videos to my Dc and they don't have a clue about the signs. They were guessing, and honestly I was too at times.

I've had dogs for over 20 years. How did I not know most of this??

In other news I've booked on a training session for one of mine (younger one). I've also made a few subtle changes around here.

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PacificDogwood · 20/02/2015 22:12

Thank you so much for this thread and the links posted.

I missed what happened to Brittany, but it sounds fraught and sad, so hope you can recover from events Thanks

We've just started fostering a dog and I have had many conversations with the DC how to 'read' dog cues - those videos and the quiz will come in handy.

I agree it is about far more than just supervision. I would certainly join any campaign to raise awareness.

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