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I stupidly tried to help... and now I've made a mess of it... (essay, sorry)

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MindReader · 15/01/2015 13:33

For a really long time I have wanted a dog (have kept spaniels in past).
I live in a house with a garden but the garden is accessed via a busyish lane (ie dog cannot access safely on own) so I didn't think a shelter would allow us to re-home a dog.

I was on gumtree and saw a dog who needed a new home (owners moving, cant take her). I arranged to go see the dog. My initial reaction was: NO as she was much larger than I had been told and also obese. Her eyes looked sore. I spoke to the owner some more and spent a bit of time taking her for a walk. She seemed a lovely dog living in very inadequate circumstances and I felt very sorry for her. She was with another dog and 3 young children in a small chaotic space. I agreed to take her for a couple of weeks to see if she would settle with us. I paid a small sum which the owner had asked for to make sure 'her new owner was genuine' which seemed fair enough to me.

I took her to our vet who says she is clinically obese and has eye and ear infections which seem longstanding. She also has a cherry eye problem. She is very very clingy and will not leave the house with anyone but me. H cant get her over the doorstep ( she is heavy -6stones) so all the walking is down to me. She wakes up at 5am and wont settle so I take her downstairs and give her a light feed and take her outside to toilet. On quite a few occasions she has refused to go out. This morning she refused (as I stood outside in rain) and toileted on H's newspaper sat on floor next to bag ready to leave for work. This has happened at her night time 'toilet walk' (10pm) too.

She is completely unable to cope alone for even 2 minutes. If I go to the loo she will howl and pace and get upset. She is clearly frightened of men - H is taking time with her and she is very wary. She will not move on the lead for anyone but me. If I step outside the front door or creep upstairs when she is asleep she will howl and bark - very very loudly as she is a hound. I work from home so she would never be left for long, and I realise it is early days - poor dog must be so confused - but I cannot be a prisoner like this forever.

I appreciate I have been really stupid here.
I wanted to help but I have taken on much more than I bargained for.
I have started her on Vet treatment for her ears and eyes and she has already slimmed down a bit. She is not being left alone and is begin given plenty of affection and walks. She is a lovely dog in every way but her needs are quite high.
Her old owner will 'accept her back' but will immediately re-advertise her on gumtree as he 'cannot take her' and is moving imminently.
My feeling is that she would be happier with an older retired couple.
I don't want to re-home her, she is not a parcel to be passed around, and my children adore her. BUT, the old owner now tells me she would howl if he left the house, even when at home with their other dog and his wife and kids, so I am clear (only NOW this is not what he told me at the time, of course) that it is a long standing trait of hers.

Please don't flame me. I have been stupid I see. I wanted to 'rescue' her out of her environment (not bad enough for PDSA but bad enough to want to rescue her, iyswim) but I don't see how we can keep her long term?
I also don't want to damage her further by re-homing her again.

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mrslaughan · 15/01/2015 13:39

do you know what breed she is?

I was wondering if she had hound in her....hence the howling.........

MindReader · 15/01/2015 13:42

She is a Basset.
I did offer to take her companion (Aunt) but they said No (too old, could keep one dog only).
Don't 'blame' the dog obviously, just myself for being so stupid...

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Buttholelane · 15/01/2015 13:44

Obesity is treatable.
As is cherry eye I believe.

The not wanting to be left is separation anxiety, this is treatable too!

Her fear of men should be treatable aswell, it will just take time.
Smile

mrslaughan · 15/01/2015 13:45

I am sure someone will be along with advice, but I would have thought a place to start is with a behaviourist, who can come and see her in the home and give you a plan to work too. I don't envy your situation - its just the sort of daft thing that I would do...... (I mean that in the nicest possible way)

elastamum · 15/01/2015 13:46

I think you should give her a chance. You have had her no time at all and in a few months she will probably be a completely different dog. FWIW I took a rehomed mad dog a few years back. she had been shut away and had separation anxiety. She drove me mad for about a year and then settled down into a lovely addition to our family although she still chases male postmen if she can.

Why not make a decision to give her some time then see how you feel?

cluelessagain · 15/01/2015 13:49

She's got bad separation anxiety, the best thing you can do is ignore her the more you give her affection the more reliant she will become on you. Another thing to try is a dap diffuser that can help with anxiety.

ghostinthecanvas · 15/01/2015 14:00

I took on a challenging dog last November.She has made it very clear that she is my dog. For the first 2 days I was very available to her. She is also scared of men. DH gave her positive attention, played with her and gradually inserted himself into her routine. She has a good relationship with him now. She is still scared of men outside. Particularly workmen. This is getting less. When I leave the house I have a set routine so the dog knows whats happening. She seems fine with being left. When she first arrived she howled at night. I made sure nothing was wrong then ignored it. She doesn't do it now. We use a cage, she loves it. Feels safe in it when I am out. She is doing so well now. Much more confident and secure. We have a long way to go but it can be done. Dogs are a lot like kids. Love and patience go far. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at what you can achieve with her. I would recommend reading up on clicker training - tho the treat would need to be something healthy!

Floralnomad · 15/01/2015 14:22

I've posted on your other threads , I too would persevere if you can ,it's very early days and the fact that she came from such an inadequate home and yet is still a friendly ,loving dog says a lot about her personality ( to me) . All the things you have mentioned can be overcome with time and work and although I disapprove of puppy pads / newspaper in general perhaps one by the backdoor whilst the weather is crap would at least save your husbands paper ! Do you think if the paper hadn't been on the floor she might have held on ? If that's the case there is a simple answer - don't put papers on the floor . Good luck .

MindReader · 15/01/2015 14:30

I am being careful not to give her lots of affection - she has imprinted on me so dramatically - so I am being kindly around her but not interacting with her too much.
H is feeding her. The children are giving her small snacks.
I do have to give her her eye and ear drops and walk her though or she messes in the house which I cant have with children in situ.

I cannot afford a behaviourist but I can read up.

Is a cage like crate training?

I have not left her yet - she came in the car when I went to the shops and howled and paced.

I intend to leave her for 15m on Saturday in the kitchen with a webcam running to see how she reacts when I am not there.

She is a super dog and I'd love to keep her but I cant be a prisoner :(

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MindReader · 15/01/2015 14:32

Hi Floral

No she has puddled on the floor standing next to me - no warning bark at all. Also after refusing to leave with me for a walk she has turned, gone in, and puddled.

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catsdogsandbabies · 15/01/2015 14:38

No offence but if you can't afford a behaviourist how will you afford the vet bills? Cherry eye usually needs surgery and bassetts suffer many other health issues. If I were you I would contact bassett breed rescue for advice. More experienced bassett owners may be better to have her. Behaviourist or trainer fees are less than my fees (vet)

catsdogsandbabies · 15/01/2015 14:40

A local dog training class may help - to brush up basic training and help with other issues.

MindReader · 15/01/2015 14:40

No offence taken cats.

Our local vet is a country vet who is very reasonable, I believe. They are quoting me £200 for a cherry eye op, if needed. they want to see how she does after a good dose of anti-bac eye drops.

I am in Scotland and there doesn't seem to be a Basset rescue anywhere near me?

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ghostinthecanvas · 15/01/2015 14:43

Yes. Crate - cage. Sorry.

Floralnomad · 15/01/2015 14:43

I know she is heavy but you need to find a harness / lead combination that means you can move her / get her out when you want to go ,not when she does . Will she move if you wave food in front of her ?

MindReader · 15/01/2015 14:44

Yes, dog class might help?

We are still getting to know her and it's very early days - she's been through a big change, I realise that.
I have learned that she likes to stop and look at people / dogs / passing lorries etc. No point dragging her on, she aint moving until she has had her look and then she will amble along quite happily.

She has a lovely lovely nature. Gentle, happy, lovely with the children (my 7 year old can walk her and she trots alongside her to her delight). A super dog.

But worried about the vet bills as I cant insure for her eyes and worried about the clinginess.

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Lilcamper · 15/01/2015 14:46

They normally have transport networks in place.

judydoes · 15/01/2015 14:46

I don't think you've 'Made a mess'. You've done something honourable in adopting a dog in need.

You have a reasonable vet-perhaps your vet might be able to help you find a low-priced behaviourist?

This hasn't been long. She'll improve given time and security-it sounds as if she's been neglected and abused in some way and once she knows she's safe she will improve anyway.

If you can find a dog training class they're usually quite cheap, but I'm concerned all the noise of one may be too much for her. Also, other people you know who have dogs are sometimes great to talk to, as are people on here. I think if you persevere you'll be rewarded.

:)

MindReader · 15/01/2015 14:47

Floral - I agree. She came with a choke chain. We have swapped this for a strong harness. But she is 6 stone and when she wont move she wont move. Turns her back, sighs, goes deaf. I understand stubbornness is a feature of Bassets (now... :).

No, food makes no difference. I thought if I 'disappeared' - as she is so clingy - it might work, hence me 'hiding' behind wall out in rain at 5am this morning whist she sat, clipped to flexi, warm in hallway.

Did it work - did it hell! Hmm

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catsdogsandbabies · 15/01/2015 14:49

You could contact any bassett rescue, they help their breed from all over. They may also have advice - they know the breed so well. They can be challenging dogs but are trainable, but I think you need experienced advice.

MindReader · 15/01/2015 14:50

Thanks, Lil, thanks, Judy

I have to go and collect kids now but wanted to say thank you for all the advice, and the kindness in not telling me I am a silly mare who deserves all she has got (a nice dog, with issues) by looking on gumtree...

I will check back in tonight if I can and certainly tomorrow as I think I might need the support of a friendly bunch of dog lovers. Grin

Thanks
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ghostinthecanvas · 15/01/2015 14:56

Its nice to let your dog have a sniff and a look but she needs you to be in charge before she will do what she is told. Short, sharp pull. Stern "come". Find your inner boss and channel it. Not much ambling either. A good pace, as much as she can anyway. If she is very unfit, she will be reluctant. How old are the kids? Can they help? I see you have had spaniels before so you can do this. I'm stopping being bossy now Blush good luck with whatever happens.

catsdogsandbabies · 15/01/2015 14:58

Your vet is very cheap btw!

MindReader · 15/01/2015 15:28

Just tried to take her on school run.
It's a foul afternoon.
she refused. pulled head out of harness.
I had to shove her back in hall and scarper.
Came home to howling, puddles. Sad

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LoathsomeDrab · 15/01/2015 15:54

Get in touch the the Basset Hound Club, they might know of other owners near you who may be willing to offer advice or help you out.

The breed club also have their own rescue branch which it might be worth contacting for help.

But worried about the vet bills as I cant insure for her eyes

This is concerning as bassets can have a lot of eye problems. As well as being prone to entropian/ectropian they should also be health tested for goniodysgenesis (an abnormal development of the eye which predisposes the dog to glaucoma) before being bred from. Do you have any pedigree information about her? If you know her parents' full names you can at least check to see if they were eye tested.