Quick question, if breeder says mum and dad kc registered but not puppies

[Mercythompson]

Because she wants them to be family pets, does that sounds like a scam?

Can see puppies with mum and both parents pedigree/registration.

What scuttle said is correct. It's always worth enquiring. I also do transport and it's extremely rewarding to play a part in getting a dog to the right home. Doing the drop off leg is the best - seeing them explore their new house is priceless.

there's no such thing as a good breeder

Bran. Can you justify that statement with a rational argument?

Ladies, thank you so much for your help, fingers crossed we have found a rescue westie - 18 months old little girl! - If they like us, house check etc, we can get her on Friday!

Sad story, they found a home for her and then the owner wouldn't keep her as the dog didn't get on with her daughters pets. this is an adult daughter who doesn't live at home - and they only tried once - the day after they got the dog!

Congratulations .

Hmmmmm, our breeder only registers those that are going to show homes, or potential breeding home......which is very few( the breeding part). (She used to register them all but changed her mind because of what I say below)
It could be seen as tight - as in not wanting to spend the money, but in her mind it is to prevent people taking puppies purchased as a pet and indiscriminately breeding from them while announcing they are"KC registered " . To be clear there are always some in the litter registered, so she is not getting around the number of litters per bitch rule.
It is a bit control freakish, but it is a rare breed and she is very concerned about indescriminate breeding for profit, without concern for the health of the breed.
I would want to know more about number of litters etc before I judged the situation.

I remain cynical about breeders who say they don't do it for profit. Profit is not a dirty word, everyone deserves to get paid for a job well done and some don't do a good job and the consequences can be dreadful or the poor pups.

Our family dog is a KC registered pedigree. He is deaf in one ear and the contract we signed with the breeder bans us from breeding from him because of this (not that we would anyway).

Reputable breeders register their puppies regardless of what sort of homes they are going to!

Mrs Laughan - I don't really see that your breeder is doing what she does for anything other than money.

There are well used options to endorse a pups pedigree at registration - one endorsement is 'progeny not for registration' and the other is about banning export.

I can't imagine how your breeder has decided to just not bother registering some of the pups - and how does she decide which? - to achieve the same end as registering the litter correctly and endorsing them. It can only be about saving money - at worst case, currently £16 per pup and £5 for a pedigree certificate. Nothing in the scheme of things. Certainly not when compared to the other costs involved in breeding a litter properly!

All my puppies are endorsed, and my contract makes it very clear what has to be done for those endorsements to be lifted. If those criteria are met, I want to support my owners through the breeding process to ensure they produce fabulous examples of the breed - and to ensure they do the best by their bitch in the process. Breeding is high risk, bloody hard work and completely time consuming. It is not something to be done without a great deal of thought, testing, planning and knowledge - and money behind you too.

Daisy when you say not for export are you attempting to impose a restriction on family travel with the pet as I have seen one breeder attempt to do with their contract? We were curious as to how her contract would be policed and whether it's legally enforceable.

No - it's not about family travel/holidays or even moving abroad.

The endorsement is 'export pedigree not allowed' - and it's designed to stop a puppy being exported, registered with a foreign kennel club and indiscriminately bred from.

Both endorsements are put on as the best tool available to try and support good breeding; the type of breeding which improves the breed and produces the best possible dogs.

I avoided those breeders. Took months but i am now waiting to bring my baby and her kc papers home at the end of the month. Her breeder seems like a good one and has been breeding for years!

Think you might of seen the same ad as me....set alarm bells ringing with me to.

Utterly, probably, we got an 18 month old rescue westie three days ago. Really glad we went down that route rather than a dodgy breeder.

Daisey - I agree with you.....except for the point that it is only about money...for her it is more about not wanting to fund the KC when they are not doing their job (as she sees it) properly. There are health issues in our breed that are acknowledged, but the only KC accredited breeder in our breed is breeding from a line that has epilepsy.....the KC turns a blind eye.

I know she registers the litters - and she said something about leaving it open to register them all later.....I know it is odd, and it would not be how I would choose to do things, but then I have no interest in breeding myself. I just wanted to add the perspective that although for the OP it is a warning, it is something to investigate further, as there may be other reasons for it, that wouldn't necessarily discount me going to that breeder.

Being on the fringes I would say lots of breeders have an unusual perspective on reality.......I think the thing that is important to me is that the breeder has the health of the dogs as paramount, and she does. If i was getting another dog from her I would insist on it being registered (our current one is)..this is a rather new thing for her......and coincides with her being incr pissed off with the KC club for not keeping on top of the health screening process in our breed.

You can ask her if she register the pup and put a restriction on it that doesn't allow you to breed from her (that certainly used to be possible). But you can't pay full wack for an unregistered puppy x

I see what you're saying Mrslaughan, and I have met people like that before. It still makes no sense to me, and frustrates me too. If people feel so strongly about something, why do they not take a position in one of the breed societies which would give them opportunity to voice their concerns. Faffing about and not paying them probably £60ish per litter is going to make not the slightest bit of difference, and is confusing to those who are trying to buy a puppy from a good breeder.

I don't for one second think the KC schemes are perfect but they're all we have, and in order for them to get better, they need supporting and improving. Improvement will come from breed societies, good breeders and dog owners.

Oh believe me - she takes a very strong view in the breed society........her PR skills leave something to be desired.....BUT at the end of the day, she wants what is best for the dogs - so even though her delivery could be more tactful, her heart is in the right place..........I think the problem with our breed is that there are so few breeders, they are "rare" so sell for a lot, which is actually all the more reason all the health screens are done and the KC should be coming down on breeders breeding from bitches and dogs producing epilepsy (4 in one litter, 2 dead already, and they would be only 3 or maybe 4, but actually the 2 that died, died young)....but I guess it is too much for the KC to keep track of.....I really don't know what the answer is.

the answer is, dont support them.
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