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If you're worried about your pet's health, please speak to a vet or qualified professional.

Self insurance - anyone else do it?

33 replies

Logarhythm · 11/08/2014 22:00

The dogs trust membership provides £1million public liability and we started putting away a monthly sum in anticipation of medical bills after we decided on getting a puppy a few months ago, this will continue indefinitely and we have adequate savings to cover issues while the account builds cash.
Are we mad to consider self funding our pup's medical bills?

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VetNurse · 11/08/2014 22:26

Yes. Saw a case at work recently who's owners had decided to self insure. Dog needed MRI and spinal surgery costing nearly £7k. The £400 they put aside didn't go very far and they had to take a loan out.

Logarhythm · 11/08/2014 22:31

Lots of insurance policies wouldn't cover £7k either, we'd have the money to pay that bill if it happened - but what are the chances?

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Lonecatwithkitten · 11/08/2014 22:43

I have lots of clients who do self insure, though the socioeconomic grouping of my clients make it very easy for them to find several thousand at the drop of a hat.

tabulahrasa · 11/08/2014 22:44

My dog's 2, last year I claimed about £4000, this year I've claimed £7000 with two claims still to submit.

He's on two longterm drugs, they cost £80 a month so even if nothing else happens to him he'll cost £960 next year (I worked that all out earlier because his renewal came through, lol)

reddaisy · 11/08/2014 22:46

No, but surely pet insurance is a relatively new thing so thousands of people must have done this years ago?

Scuttlebutter · 11/08/2014 23:09

Veterinary medicine has advanced hugely over the past thirty years. Better drugs, better diagnostics, more complex operations are now routine. Dogs are generally living longer and surviving conditions that were life-ending within my lifetime.

If you are very, very wealthy then you don't need to worry about pet insurance. For the rest of us, it's a huge relief to know that we're covered for emergencies. Just in the past two months, one of our hounds had an accident where she caught her leg in a wooden footbridge, and this week she's had a big op to remove a mass on her leg, possibly a mast cell tumour. Hundreds of pounds each time. With the possible cancer, we may have more bills to face, depending on the results from the lab.

Like many people involved in rescue, I regularly see the results when people dump dogs (and they do) with health conditions that they can't afford or choose not to treat.

Logarhythm · 11/08/2014 23:15

I don't know how I feel about taking a dog through a painful condition like cancer - I'd hate to put a dog through pain to spare me from an early loss.

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Scuttlebutter · 11/08/2014 23:32

Logarhythm - I am most emphatically NOT putting my dog through treatment "to spare me from an early loss". Hmm

hoobypickypicky · 12/08/2014 00:05

Reddaisy, I don't think people did just cope and find the money when it was needed. I'm a cat rescuer and in my experience I see that this doesn't happen. I get countless pleas to take on cats which owners can't afford to take to the vets (or requests for money to pay their blinking vet bills! Hmm ). I think that then, just as now, if they can't afford massive bills for a dog or cat who has suffered a major RTA, had cancer or what have you, they opted for put to sleep.

In the last 12 months alone my personal vet bills (not my rescue ones) have been over £6K, easily.

One (large breed, so costs of surgery even higher than small breed) dog had a suspected tumour removed and biopsied. Thankfully it was 'just' an internal infection, the other had surgery for ear problems (common in this large breed). I had no particular reason to suspect that these problems would occur, especially the dog with the fast growing internal lump, they just did.

My third large breed dog had treatment for cancer and another terminal illness and after many vet visits eventually we had to have him put to sleep a few months back - there was no kind option, we'd done all we could but he was beginning to suffer and there was no cure but I spent a fortune on giving him a few more months of love and quality of life. He had for years been on daily medication for epilepsy as well, costing about £600 a year alone. He had a pedigree a mile long and was KC registered, there was no known cause of the epilepsy, it just happened. How was anyone to know that the bouncy pup would in a few months need daily epilepsy medication for the next 12 years?

Two of our cats were ill, one with epilepsy as a result of past abuse, another with liver failure due to the same. Both were hospitalised, one on a drip and daily meds for months and stabilised for a few weeks then regressing so I had to call the vet out to the home on a Saturday night and let her go - nearly £200 for that visit alone. Our ferret was put on meds and had several vet trips and eventually we had to make the decision to let him go too as there was no further treatment which could help him.

Okay, we had a lot of pets and have had a shitty year of sadness and admittedly I knew the kittens were going to be vet bills on legs (that's why I took them in, because no-one else would give them a chance and they would have died in pain and suffering even earlier, without having known love and care) but even so the two dogs we still have alone cost us a small fortune just to keep them healthy and alive. I would have been in dire straits without insurance.

People look at their little puppy and think, "What could go wrong? but they don't think of the possibility of traffic accidents, grass seeds in the eye, swallowing things they shouldn't (pups are terrible for that, generally requiring surgery to remove the foreign object), congenital disease due to bad breeding which becomes apparent after a few months of being with the owner, breed related illness such as hip dysplacia in Labradors, for e.g.) or the later costs which come with age related illness.

A qualified dog behaviourist friend bought a Border Collie pup from a very reputable breeder, having in the past had rescue dogs. She'd never had a health problem with her rescues but for personal reasons wanted a pup she thought would be hers to train and who would have no issues to iron out from day one and she chose the breeder with so much care, personal recommendation from trusted and worthy sources and so much research that even her rescuer friends were begrudgingly impressed.

Her pup has Addisons disease. It became apparent when he was a few months old. He's been in the vets countless times, she's nearly lost him goodness knows how many times, he's been hospitalised and is now on lifelong and very expensive medication. Without insurance she would have decided to forgo renting a house and be living in her car with him now. Without insurance most other people would have kept the house and had the dog put to sleep.

Consider very carefully.

If you have a credit card or spare funds to cover, say, £4 or £5K of surgery tonight, should your dog break a limb or show sudden signs of something like Addisons or have a road accident, then you can rest comfortably knowing you can cope. If all you've got is a few hundred or so and can't raise the rest ask yourself what you'd do if one of those incidents happened tonight or tomorrow morning.

If you pay into an insurance policy then yes, it may be "money down the drain", but what price peace of mind? Will you look back and say, shit I could have gone to Florida, I didn't need to spend that on insurance or will you say, thank god I didn't risk it?

My insurance comes out by direct debit and I don't even think of it as my money, it's no more mine for shoes or holidays than the money in the bank for the monthly electric direct debit.

I use Purely Pets for dog insurance. They've paid without quibble and will bill the vet direct and not require you to pay first and claim it back afterwards. It costs me just over £40 per month for two large breed dogs, one over the age of 8 (where it gets more expensive no matter who you're with), one just under 8 years. Admittedly I pay the first £99 of the bill for any one course of treatment for the older of my 2 dogs but that's a standard excess with any pet policy. With the dog who is over 8 I pay on top of that first £99 the first 35% of the remaining bill but that again is common across the board of insurers and won't apply to you as an owner of a pup or young dog.

Both are breeds which have known problems with their back legs, hips and in one dog's case is a breed which has the highest chance of all breeds for suffering from a particularly horrible and incurable disease which needs a lot of management and medication. The policy also covers vet prescribed diet and vet prescribed vitamins and minerals which is important to me as the known likely illnesses are ones which require those things in order to give the dog the greatest chance of an extended and good quality of life before the effing disease takes over completely.

The kitten with epilepsy was insured with Pet Protect. That cost me £7 per month, they too paid without quibble and direct to the vet without me needing to pay first and reclaim. Her bills ran into thousands. Bluntly, without insurance I too may well have been looking at living in a car!

Unless you are affluent and can afford to find at least £5,000 on the spot or have a credit card that you will never use with that limit on it I really, really would recommend insurance. Only you know your finances, all I can say is please think carefully.

tabulahrasa · 12/08/2014 08:05

reddaisy - the two operations my dog had wouldn't have been available years ago, nor the MRI scans which are a great deal of the cost when he was a puppy.

Logarhythm · 12/08/2014 08:14

Hooby thank you for taking the time to reply, what a terrible time you have had with your pets. It's always worth asking the question....we have enough funds to comfortably self insure, I suppose for us it'll be how much risk we are comfortable with. You've given me lots to think about.

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JadeJ123 · 12/08/2014 08:46

We had a French Mastiff that had never had health problems so stopped his insurance which was £40pm) Was all going well until when he was 7 and diagnosed with a stomach tumour, £200 just for an x ray and then £1200 for surgery to be told they couldn't do anything then another £60 for medication. I wish we'd kept his insurance instead of paying £1500 in vets fees we needed for something else Sad
All 3 of my dogs are insured now and will be for the rest of their lives as I'm not taking any risks.
If you have about 2k set aside for emergencies it's fine. I'd consider having insurance incase an unexpected bill comes up and the dog gets ill and you don't have the lump sum to pay up front.

SpicyBear · 12/08/2014 09:36

We have funds to self insure if we needed to but still pay insurance. There are two main reasons. One is so we don't ever have to have a discussion along the lines of, well how much is it worth spending. If anything happens to my dogs I want them to have all the treatment that would be in their best interests. For one dog that would be a less invasive route than the other as they would cope differently with medical intervention.

The second reason is purely selfish. I'd rather pat as I go for top notch insurance than see my savings take a big hit.

WienerDiva · 12/08/2014 09:50

Like you OP I am in a fortunate enough position that I don't need to insure my pets.

Anyway, I still insure. It's not a noticeable amount that leaves my bank account and I am completely safe in the knowledge that even if my house falls around my ears at least my pets will be treated:

I understand your way of thinking OP but if (and God forbid you don't) you ever get into dire straits then at least you have a back up with the insurance.

PetPlan are IMO and experience the best insurers (I work in a veterinary hospital). They insure up to 12 thousand pounds every year and even include complementary treatments like acupuncture and hydrotherapy.

There's also the cover of having to cancel holidays to a poorly pup, the cost of the pet upon death (that doesn't float my boat TBH).

I suppose I'm trying to say, your financial situation could change at anytime and you then might need the money you've put aside for your pet, without a doubt, that will when your dog suffers a spinal injury or something that will cost thousands.

I'm not wishing it upon you, but I've seen it happen all too often. The same as when people cancel their pet insurance and then he pet breaks a leg or swallows a whole pencil case.

fanoftheinvisibleman · 12/08/2014 10:07

Having seen then bill of a friends young dog with an ongoing infection tip into 4 figures and someone else with a puppy who told me their bill got to 7.5 k before they had to pts then I insure. If I had several thousand hanging around I may not, but I don't.

SpicyBear · 12/08/2014 10:18

We have funds to self insure if we needed to but still pay insurance. There are two main reasons. One is so we don't ever have to have a discussion along the lines of, well how much is it worth spending. If anything happens to my dogs I want them to have all the treatment that would be in their best interests. For one dog that would be a less invasive route than the other as they would cope differently with medical intervention.

The second reason is purely selfish. I'd rather pat as I go for top notch insurance than see my savings take a big hit.

misog2000 · 12/08/2014 10:28

I pay £25 a month to insure my cat, they pay out £200 a month for her diabetes medication. My renewal went up about 50p a month this year despite them knowing they would have to continue to pay for her medicine. Until the cost of the insurance is more than the cost of the treatment I wouldn't even consider cancelling it, it's not just large one off bills that you need to consider when it comes to self insurance, what if you were in a similar situation to me, could you easily cover the cost of lifelong medication for your pet?

Aked · 12/08/2014 13:26

Logarhythm you don't know until you get there what decision you will make over an animal when faced with the opportunity to treat. I am a VN and always wondered if I would put one of my own animals through chemotherapy - even though I had seen many. many go through it and knew the positive outcomes, that chemo in an animal does not have the same side effects as in humans etc.

Until my own dear cat was diagnosed with multiple myeloma in March this year. When faced with the chance to treat him on tablets alone, with the odd blood test, I had to take it otherwise I felt I would have been letting him down. Sadly he deteriorated very quickly and was PTS within 3 weeks, but I am glad I had the insurance in place to be able to take him to a referral centre and get a confirmed diagnosis, speak to an oncologist about treatment choices etc.

Being a VN, I have seen many animals kept alive for the sake of the owners. I would NEVER do that to any pet of mine. I don't think you meant it cruelly, but just because my animals are insured, it doesn't mean I will keep them alive for longer just because the money is there.

Personally, I would insure. I think its very easy to underestimate how much a vet bill can mount up to, even for something simple. And if the animal should develop a lifetime condition, I dread to think. Good for you if you have thousands to hand, but if you do, then what is a few quid a month for a decent policy?

MitchellMummy · 12/08/2014 13:54

I insure and always have done. Though you do need a decent credit card to pay for the emergency bills on the spot!

WienerDiva · 12/08/2014 13:56

Not if you're with a insurance provider that your practice doesn't mind direct claiming from. The only company the practice I work for will direct from is PetPlan. They won't think about anyone else. I know of a few other practices that have the same way of thinking.

Aked · 12/08/2014 14:17

^^ Us too. We are a first opinion and referral practice, but many of the multi-discipline referral hospitals refuse all direct claims. I had to pay £1300 when I picked up my cat, no choice at all to direct claim. Which is fine! We have a lot of outstanding debt because we do allow direct claims for many.

Stinkle · 12/08/2014 14:25

I insure, always have done. My vet claims from my insurance company direct, I just have to pay the £60 excess. Over 6 years my dog has clocked up a fair sized bill through stupid accidents and eating things he shouldn't.

My MiL decided to self insure when she got a Yorkshire terrier 3 years ago as she felt the insurance was a waste of money. When the puppy was 6 months old it was diagnosed with heart problems and needed an operation, they were looking at around £3k. They hadn't saved enough in such a short time and really couldn't afford the op and had to get a loan.

WienerDiva · 12/08/2014 16:35

Yes I forgot about referral centres. The one local to us won't consider a direct claim under 600 and only with PP.

Logarhythm · 12/08/2014 18:50

Thanks everyone for your input.

Just because we have a few quid doesn't meant we don't consider each financial decision carefully - it would be folly to do otherwise, hence the question! Smile

Will look into better annual travel insurance too, never thought about having to cancel due to pet being ill, I bet we aren't covered for that and the pet insurance isn't anywhere near adequate.

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foolonthehill · 12/08/2014 22:51

Perhaps I am a bit foolish but I have just put in the numbers for the most commonly recommended plan for a mediium sized young dog:

they only cover £4000 in vets fees per annum and £1000 for treatment per annum for £23.50 per month for standard life cover. With a £500 excess. This would not cover most of the very expensive "what ifs" above. plus of course the 3rd party at £2 million (dog's trust do £1 million for £25 per year). Even the comprehensive life cover at £48 pcm has a lowish top limit of cover

of course it is wise to insure in some way and I would never want to dissuade anyone from a path that might benefit their pet I do wonder if this is good value?