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My dog has a horrible life...

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curiousgeorgie · 23/06/2014 21:42

We have a 7 year old blue roan cocker spaniel, and we completely love him. He's been problematic from the start, he has absolutely endless energy and even if you ran around the park with him for hours or DH (who was training for the marathon) took him out on every run, he would still get home and be climbing the walls.

When I had DD1 he lived for her. He slept under her cot, growled at visitors and one time (I started a thread about it) bit someone who tried to touch her while out.

This was totally unacceptable behaviour obviously and we got a police dog handler out who helped us to 'restructure the pack order' and help the situation. We also got him neutered and upped his walks from 2 long (plus garden) to 3.

We had DD2 and he seemed to go mad. We thought he needed more exercise to introduced doggy day care and tried to be firmer about the rules the dog handler had put in place, which had relaxed as he got used to DD1.

We've moved to a new house, and he is seriously a complete Houdini. Adding trellis, fences, etc... He jumped over the back while in the garden (almost 6 feet!!) and I had to drive the streets to find him, eventually in someone's garden (!!!) and he growled and snarled at me while I tried to retrieve him from under thorns and bushes... It was awful as they had children and I was seriously worried as he's never really been like this.

It's like he's 2 dogs. Right now (she's up late due to a family thing) my DD1 age 3 is playing with him under supervision and he's totally relaxed and wagging his tail, he lives for a ball being thrown and she's prepared to do it 100 times...

But fast forward to tomorrow and he'll get this look in his eye and I feel like I can't trust that he won't bite her.

He loves DD2 (1 on Wednesday) because she's constantly dropping food everywhere but otherwise totally ignores him) but I'm petrified for the day she tries to catch him or grab him.

The escaping has got out of control... He can (somehow!!) easily escape our garden so he can no longer have free reign.. Which is awful, as he lives for the garden. I tie him on a long line around a tree in the centre so he can reach all corners but he still acts like he's a caged animal. He's pulling ridiculously on walks. He's become aggressive at doggy day care and they're not happy to have him.

In daily life, DD2 is trying to walk, so I'm constantly telling him to go to the kitchen or shitting him out of the living room because I feel like I can't trust him. I feel exhausted, my baby is difficult enough as it is without the added occasional growls.

He has bitten me but he did have an infection, and I'm sure on that thread I downplayed his behaviour, but I need to be honest because this can't go on.

Getting rid of him isn't an option. He's our family and we love him, but he seems so unhappy that it breaks my heart to look at him on a line in the garden.

It's like he's never relaxed. He can never lay down and settle, he's constantly panting and looking to grab something to chew. He's immensely clever and learned every 'trick' going within two second at dog school.

But his life is rubbish. No free run of the garden because of escaping. Growling at children. Never settling.

It's so hard and he's my first baby and I feel like I'm totally letting him down somehow.

Please advise... Sorry it's long!!

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Floralnomad · 24/06/2014 10:31

Also , if he's fed kibble feed him from a treat ball ,its great fun for them and makes dinner / breakfast last ages

BravePotato · 24/06/2014 10:34

can't you dog proof the garden?

curiousgeorgie · 24/06/2014 11:00

Brave, we did, we added Trellis, we put bricks etc there... We put stuff in front of the neighbours fence but he's a quick worker. He'll dig like crazy or push himself down the tiniest gap by the shed that we didn't even consider would accommodate a dog. He's also a brilliant jumper and I can't have the current fence any higher..

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ender · 24/06/2014 12:29

It sounds like you need to train him out of this digging/jumping behaviour. A behaviourist will be able to advise you but what we did for our dog (he kept catching and eating bees and butterflies) was to let him in the garden for short sessions and stayed with him.
We distracted him with a toy when he started stalking a bee/butterfly. If he persisted then he was taken inside and garden time was over. It took about 3 weeks of this to train him and now he ignores all flying insects.
You could keep a trailing house lead on your dog if he's hard to grab hold of. As he's a clever dog he'll soon learn Smile.

ClaimedByMe · 24/06/2014 12:36

What do you feed him? different dog foods can affect dogs behaviours.

curiousgeorgie · 24/06/2014 12:53

He eats mostly dry food but he's also a Hoover for anything the kids drop or leave lying around (that's really bad, I know)

Sometimes we give him rice or pasta too, because he loves it.

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MonstersBalls · 24/06/2014 13:13

Check how much protein he's getting in his normal food. I have to be careful with my non-working collie - too much protein makes her hyper.
I used this website to compare the different foods.

Owllady · 24/06/2014 13:24

What kind of dry food?
I agree you need to contact a good trainer to work with you
Please don't add a dog sport before you have learnt to recognise when he is about to reach threshold. I did with mine (collie) and I actually think, in hindsight, it was a bit cruel as she was getting herself into a frenzy and once at that point I had lost control as she was so aroused. But a good trainer will help you recognise the behaviours leading to over arousal so you can keep him below it
That's what I found any way but I am no expert

Owllady · 24/06/2014 13:26

What do you feed monstersballs? I am thinking of changing mines food...

CiderwithBuda · 24/06/2014 13:26

I hope you manage to get sorted. It sounds like you really love him but have had the wrong advice from the police handler.

We have two labs - new placid and one more 'bouncy' - she should have been a kangaroo I think! I love the idea of hiding cubes of cheese around the garden. Ours would love that.

Would agree with checking the protein content of the food. We were told that as well.

MonstersBalls · 24/06/2014 13:39

owllady I started off on Eden which the site gave 5 stars but actually had really high protein and gave her runny poos so I've changed to Skinners sensitive lamb and rice. They do a working dog food which has high protein and a non-working food which is good for pet dogs, and especially collies. She's a completely different dog on it - much calmer (while still being a crazy collie of course!).

SnakeyMcBadass · 24/06/2014 14:56

I know the exercise thing sounds counter intuitive, but someone on here mentioned it to me (may have been nuttymutty) and it has made a huge difference. I believe it's called adrenaline stacking, so the dog is permanently in a state of high arousal. Calmer mental stimulation gives their brain a work out without revving them up to 90. I was on my knees a month ago and was this close {} to rehoming my boy. A small change, but it's made a huge difference. Plus, I no longer feel the burden of finding 2 to 3 hours a day to run him. He's genuinely more settled.

moosemama · 24/06/2014 15:54

You've already been given so much advice, so I won't repeat it all. Just wanted to offer some advice re fencing.

You need a similar sort of set up to this. I know it's for mountain lions and you don't need a 12 ft fence, but the principle is the same.

Bury a skirt of chicken wire under the topsoil and attach to the fence all along the bottom as well. Then you need some brackets that are angled to point inwards and you can string wire between. Something similar to this, so you end up with this sort of set up. Something like this should do it. if you can't find anything in the usual DIY stores. This is what they use at a lot of rescue centres and it does deter all but the most determined escapees.

timetoclean · 24/06/2014 18:28

Have you tried Adaptil spray stuff? like feliway for dogs?

curiousgeorgie · 24/06/2014 21:46

Thanks, DH and I are googling all this stuff!

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affafantoosh · 24/06/2014 22:09

The Adaptil collars are way more effective than the spray in my experience - it makes more sense to have the pheromones go with the dog :)

weedonleg · 25/06/2014 07:22

I second Moosemama with the angled fence topping to discourage jumping. The dog can't visually estimate where to take off for jumping, so doesn't try.

Try these people below, call them up (they are very helpful) and they will tell you which grade of wire mesh is 'stiff' enough to hold a bend if you fold it and then it is just a simple DIY case of staple gunning it to the existing fencing, no struts or support needed (remember it works by discouraging the dog to even attempt to jump, so it doesn't need to be especially strong). You could use the same wire mesh for the bottom of the fence as in Moosemamas photos, and also for blocking off the escape routes round the shed etc. It's very cost-effective.

www.hillsofdevon.co.uk/

misog2000 · 25/06/2014 07:37

My sister has a cocker who used to be a bit like this, she has started taking her to tracking classes as well as her normal 'obedience' type dog training and it has made a massive difference. I agree with the people who say they need their brains worked as well as their bodies as she has always had plenty of walks, but seems to have chilled right out since starting this more mentally demanding stuff.

The tracking classes are run by a gun dog school local to us, might be worth having a look to see if there is something similar you could try in your area? Hope you can find an answer, for your family and the pooch.

youmakemydreams · 25/06/2014 07:58

I agree on cutting back the runs and upping the mental stimulation.
I have a dalmatian who needs loads of running every day but when she is running with dp when he's out cycling she actually has more energy. When that happens she can seem a bit hyper and needs some mental stimulation to stop her becoming a pain. It calms her down and tires her out far more than straight runs.
She particularly loves things like you did with the ball, hiding treats or putting them in something she has to spend a bit of time getting them out of.
Exmil has a Springer that bil gave her when his relationship split up. She was exactly the same but with a lot of work she is so laid back now you wouldn't believe it was the same dog. She used to be walked muzzled but she hated it and modified bet own behaviour around other people and dogs and loved the praise heaped on her for behaving appropriately.

Doggymammy · 27/06/2014 23:13

What make of dry food do you buy? I ask because I read the book below and there was a case study of a dog whose behaviour changed - he suddenly wanted to be away from the family and hide in the garden. Turned out he was getting massive headaches from the crap dog food they were feeding him.

www.amazon.co.uk/Clever-Dog-Understand-What-Telling/dp/0007488548/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403907159&sr=8-1-fkmr2&keywords=Clever+boy+dog+book

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