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Where the Wild Things Are

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barbarianoftheuniverse · 23/02/2014 17:02

I have an eight month old Border Collie called Meg. She is far from perfect (and so am I).
Today she has been about 60/40 good. The 40 included chewing up my camera memory card which DH is sure he put safely on the mantelpiece. Every time I look down at this screen she takes a quick munch of the coffee table with her eyes on mine. This despite a 2 hour walk which included much in and out of streams.

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insanityscatching · 16/06/2014 14:47

Oh Eric! So, after last time's incident at the groomers where Eric bit whilst being bathed, today we went to see a potential new place. I phoned first explaining that we'd just be popping in before opening so that Eric could become familiar and we'd make an appointment in a couple of weeks for him to be bathed.
So we went a completely different route because Eric gets angsty when he thinks he's going to the last groomers because somehow he knows the route Hmm
I walked him in, the place was empty, the front of the shop is like a pet store but you can go through to the grooming salon. We got into the shop, the receptionist said hello and off Eric set growling and snarling. He couldn't have seen the grooming salon and he will go in pets at home as happy as Larry so whats all this about?
We plan to go in again next week for another brief visit in the hope that it gets better.

moosemama · 16/06/2014 14:54

He's probably made an association with the smells of shampoo etc.

Keep going regularly and just feed him high value treats, get the groomer to drop treats for him, working up to handing them and stroking him etc and don't worry about even attempting to get him groomed until he's completely relaxed there. Then perhaps just start with light brushing with a soft brush and work up very slowly from there.

I always did my Wheaten girl myself, as I know she'd have hated going to a grooming parlour.

needastrongone · 16/06/2014 15:46

Insanity - exactly 'wot moose said. Just as you would if they were scared of the vet, lots of high value treats and positive associations.

moose - perhaps go at times of day that 'feel' safe? Then work from there?

moosemama · 16/06/2014 15:48

I am in a distinct grump now.

Lurcherboy stole both of Pip's kongs while I was on the school run (he has one full frozen one and a half empty one that's been refrigerated from the shorter, morning school run). He had one in his bed that he'd completely emptied nd the other by the kitchen door, whereas Pip was still behind the barrier on the other side of the kitchen.

Not only is he on a strict diet, while we struggle to keep weight on Pip, but it's the only thing I have that will keep Pip quiet while I'm out.

Fortunately the dcs were out really quickly this afternoon, so we were home really early and Pip was still munching the kibble in his green feeder, so he only started complaining about 4 minutes before I got in, but on a normal day he'd have been yelling for much longer.

Have listened to the tape and there's no growling or anything, so I guess he just stood there like a big old wuss and let Lurcherboy take them. Hmm

soddinghormones · 16/06/2014 16:40

Fitz is 11 months old today :). We've had him for 9 months and I can't imagine life without him

He's learned and grown so much since he's been with us and he's brought so much joy. It's not been the easiest of times for me but he has definitely made it better

Thank you too to everyone on this thread as you've been an unwavering source of knowledge and support - ooh I'm coming over all gushy and it's not even his birthday yet Wink

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moosemama · 16/06/2014 17:24

Ooh he's such a gorgeous smiley boy. Smile

Happy nearly birthday Fitz! Grin

needastrongone · 16/06/2014 17:29

AWWWWW Smile

mintysmum · 16/06/2014 21:16

What a sweetie BB, he's just so adorable. Minty was 11 mths yesterday so I get that feeling too - what a long way they and we have travelled. And with such lovely supportive companions on this thread!

Moose - poor Pip, that seems so unfair both the injuries and these dogs you keep coming across.

Minty and I are officially not speaking tonight. He has been a pickle all day - ignored me recalling him on our morning walk, barked every time he was let out into garden, then spent the evening chewing DH and DS1 slippers/crocs. I had hold of his collar to stop him chewing DSs slippers and he growled at me twice - deep, slow serious growls. Not sharp and aggressive but they gave me such a fright. I whisked him into kitchen, said a loud NO and shut him behind stair gate. Everyone was a bit shocked as he's never growled at me before.

Now I'm worried that I've done the wrong thing. He was giving me a signal and I've told him off. He's been really agitated past few days and won't settle. Same walks as usual, same routine, lots of little training sessions. The only difference is we no longer give him free reign of the garden as he was barking at squirrels and birds too much so for the sake of neighbourly relations he's only out on a lead or for short potters around.

moosemama · 16/06/2014 21:28

Ah Mint, Pip has a thing about crocs too and dh and I both have them as slippers and dd has them for playing in the garden. He's never actually chewed them, as we only leave them in the shoe basket in the hall, but he's cheeky enough to try a quick chomp if we sit cross-legged or even to go as far as to try and gently remove them from our feet. Hmm Grin

Sounds like he's had a proper teenager day, but you handled it fine. He can't growl when you tell him he can't have something he wants and if he does, he loses the privilege of being with you and the rest of the family. You wouldn't put up with one of your dcs threatening you and it's much the same thing, he's just testing his boundaries, similar to a human teenager.

The only thing I'd suggest is no collar grabbing, as that can be a bit of a trigger for some dogs. Perhaps lure with a treat or even go back to the houseline for a short time, just while he's going through his teenagery stage. Also, back to basics re leaving anything lying around that he might take an interest in, as it just avoids the confrontations in the first place. Finally, more work on 'leave' might help for when he does manage to nab something he shouldn't have.

If he's been generally unsettled that kind of backs up the hormonal/teenager thing. One thing you could try is taking him somewhere new for a walk and keep him on lead, just do a decent distance and let him get the benefit of new sights, sounds and smells. That will both wear him out and remind him that the world is bigger than he thinks, therefore perhaps he does still need you for reassurance after all. Wink

My two are exhausted after a new walking route today. It's been lovely and quiet this afternoon/evening. Grin

mintysmum · 16/06/2014 21:59

Thanks Moose. Great ideas - I can't see the word for the trees at times!

I've have the indoor lead hanging on kitchen cabinet for when the door goes so I'll use that tomorrow evening after a bit of tidying! Good idea about the walk tomorrow - I could easily vary my walk home from school, I never vary it, never think to but I like that idea for tiring him out in a mental way.

I would worry about him not having his off lead time though - he has about 40 mins off lead each morning where he tears around having fun, leaping over tree stumps, lapping up the stream etc and I'd feel he wasn't getting his days quota of fun if he stayed on lead. But maybe you're right and these things just need firming up in a temporary way.

moosemama · 16/06/2014 22:05

Same here Mint. I was on my Lurcher forum the other day asking for advice after mishandling the situation with the loose Wolfhound cross. I just froze and forgot what to do. Kept thinking 'don't let the lead go tense' and then couldn't work out how to get out of the situation, because I would need to tense it a bit to lead him away. The simple answer was to just start walking quickly and put distance between us, as at least then any confrontation would have been short-lived, but at the time I just couldn't get my head around what to do. Blush

Could you do a bit of both? Let him have his off-lead time, then take a different route home or something. I just meant keep him on-lead if you took him somewhere completely new if he's been being a pain with his recall. That way you could both enjoy the walk and he would still get worn out just by being somewhere new, iyswim.

NCISaddict · 16/06/2014 22:15

It does seem we're all at the same stage, teenager rebellion.Grin I'm so relieved I've moved in next door to a trainer I respect and Finn responds to, (very funny when he hears her talking to her dogs through the fence, he automatically looks guilty) I was beginning to despair about Finn's lead work and recall but with just two sessions with her he's so much better.
I knew the things she's suggested from previous dogs but had forgotten them, it just took a reminder.
I've got another two hour training/walk session on Wednesday in a secure area which I'm really looking forward to.

mintysmum · 17/06/2014 06:39

Yes we do thankfully!

I can't quite believe the bad timing of having a teenage boy at same time as teenage dog in the house - not to mention the menopausal mum! I was giving out to teenage son about using 3 bath towels after a shower, leaving them wet on the floor and muddy PE clothes strewn all over hall when I came down to find dog chomping on DHs crocs and my evening went pear shaped from there!

Dog training tonight - minty still the barkiest but he occasionally does perfect commands.

moosemama · 17/06/2014 19:18

fan - saw this and thought of you - and Maz Grin

fanoftheinvisibleman · 17/06/2014 19:37

Grin You can just see the devilment in the eyes of that little row of dogs Moose.

Well it certainly sounds like everyone is being kept busy by their canine friends. Lovely pics of Fitz too...beautiful!

I'm disappointed tonight as checked the training club site where I am hoping to take Maz to do the KC awards. It was due to start on sunday but they have delayed again...this time to as yet unconfirmed Sad I have recruited two of his wayward little park friends too...heaven help the trainer when the high octane gruesome trio turn up!

But it is maybe a blessing as the following Sunday is our daytrip to Bakewell for Dogs Unleashed show which may have made week 2 a little much as we are over an hour from Bakewell too.

insanityscatching · 17/06/2014 20:55

Lovely walk earlier that was until Eric decided he'd go for a zoom around the field that had just been sprayed with pig slurry. The small must have hit the spot as he decided to go for full coverage by rolling and crawling. He absolutely reeked and it was a long walk back. A bath in the tub in the garden needed two water changes but he's finally smelling fresh I've had a shower but will be going for a bath later as I'm not convinced I don't smell still.

mintysmum · 17/06/2014 22:19

Oh yuck Eric! What a hassle that must have been insanity!

Fan - are you going to dogs unleashed at bakewell? We have a plan to go but I don't think it's right for minty this year. He gets over stimulated very quickly and barks, leaps around and starts this yowling thing is no one pays attention to the barking! Hope it's fun

fanoftheinvisibleman · 17/06/2014 22:30

We are. There were all sorts of dogs there last year. I would only be put off if you think it will distress him rather than the fact that you are worried about his lack of perfect manners Wink. The ground was large enough and most people savvy enough that bouncy dogs (like mine Blush) could annoy each other but people could move around. Lots of people fussing dogs too which suits an attention whore like Maz.

Bakewell itself was a pleasant walk away too so we broke it up too through the day.

fanoftheinvisibleman · 17/06/2014 22:32

I do have to watch dh when I say most people savvy enough...he is another who tends to be oblivious to someone screaming 'stay away' signals. He is improving under my constant nagging!

moosemama · 17/06/2014 22:36

I'm very jealous. I really want to go, but dh says it's too far away. Sad

fanoftheinvisibleman · 17/06/2014 22:51

Yeah my dh said the same last year Moose. It's about an hour and 20 for us and I guess it would certainly depend on your idea of fun as whether you'd assess it as worthwhile Wink but Maz, Ds and I enjoyed ourselves. And dh has quietly accepted that we are going back without moaning so he must have enjoyed it too.

The fact that Bakewell is a nice stand alone place to visit increases the value (that was my tack last year anyway Grin)

NCISaddict · 17/06/2014 23:26

Really want to attempt taking Finn to some events, Bakewell is about a 4 hour journey though so too far. Will have to settle for taking him to the pub. He's fine with other dogs and will just watch them from by my side but it's people that terrify him, he cowers by me and looks like all strangers are about to beat him despite rigorous socialising when very small. Any ideas? He's not food orientated so treating is a non starter.

fanoftheinvisibleman · 17/06/2014 23:40

Isn't is amazing how they are all so different?

If you could maybe bottle a little of that reserve for me, in return I will attempt to extract a little of Maz's erm attention seeking tendencies and I reckon we are onto a winner. Are you in?

NCISaddict · 17/06/2014 23:44

I'm in,Grin people look at me as if I beat Finn on a regular basis when he retreats from them, if they would just ignore him for a few minutes it would be fine but they have to try and get him to come to them. I have to remind people who come to the house, 'no touch, no voice, no eye contact' completely ignore and he will relax.

fanoftheinvisibleman · 17/06/2014 23:55

And here many miles away Maz is so keen to hurl himself into anyones arms you'd think he was starved of all affection! He will quite literally go with anyone. At the groomers the little beggar didn't so much as backwards glance, just skipped off wagging and giving her kisses Grin

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