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How to stop dog spraying/urinating?

22 replies

claw2 · 31/12/2013 08:49

I have 2 dogs, 9 year old Lab and 1 year old Yorkie, both male. Yorkie is lifting his leg all around the house, the minute my back is turned. I am cleaning the area thoroughly each time, but he just doesn't stop.

Will having him neutered put a stop to it?

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JulietBravoJuliet · 31/12/2013 09:39

Watching with interest as my DP's 18 month old, neutered Border Terrier pees all over my house every time he comes round and it's driving me potty!

claw2 · 31/12/2013 09:52

Hi Juliet, I have been reading via google small dogs tend to do this more than larger dogs. Apparently its a sign of insecurity, so anything new or unfamiliar has to be peed on! or it can be separation anxiety or dominance.

My old Lab is a big old softie and def nothing to feel threatened by. Although my Yorkie definitely tries to dominant, so im hoping chop will help! Im also hoping trying to understand his behaviour will help me put a stop to it!

You say when your dog 'comes round'? doesn't he live with you?

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JulietBravoJuliet · 31/12/2013 10:52

No we live separately at the minute but he visits with his dog and stays over regularly. I've got a dog too who never pees in the house.

claw2 · 31/12/2013 11:05

That would make perfect sense about the insecurity thing ie wanting to mark things as his own, particularly if visiting and you have another dog.

Similar to my problem, I think I know why he does it, im just none the wiser about how to stop it!

Suggestions from the site I looked at are

  1. Neuter - Not a cure, more a prevention, if done at an early age, it can prevent spraying from happening (I fear I have left it too late!)
  1. Supervise very closely, confine to one space and correct IF you catch him in the act. (my dog NEVER does it when im about!)

So seems there is hope IF he does it in front of you!

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JulietBravoJuliet · 31/12/2013 12:34

No this one never does it in sight either! Usually the first sign he's done it is a wet foot!! There's 3 spots that he seems to favour and I've tried cleaning there with white vinegar, as I heard that can deter them, I've steam cleaned, disinfected etc etc but nothing seems to work.

claw2 · 31/12/2013 12:46

Yep I have done the same, cleaned, disinfected, sprayed, bleached, steam cleaned! I have even stopped him from getting to the usual spots, it doesn't help, he just does it somewhere else and those then become new 'spots' too!

I have tried safety gates to prevent access to areas, he just creates new ones! In fact I feel like a prisoner with gates everywhere!

Maybe the key is our behaviour! Im trying to think of ways to make him feel more secure.

Out of interest is your other dog male? and if so neutered?

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claw2 · 31/12/2013 12:55

Oh ive just had a thought, seen as our 'boys' are doing it when we go out, go to bed, leave the room etc, do you think separation anxiety?

I might try putting something with my smell on, in his bed.

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JulietBravoJuliet · 31/12/2013 14:06

It's no longer an issue for me as I've just been dumped from a great height so won't have the dog staying over anymore :(

claw2 · 31/12/2013 15:28

Oh God Juliet, im so sorry to hear that Sad are you ok?

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JulietBravoJuliet · 31/12/2013 16:10

Yes. No. I don't know. Fucking bastard arsing men :(

Lilcamper · 31/12/2013 17:14

It isn't dominance, more likely hormones and to be honest neutering won't help if it is already habitual. Don't use bleach to clean up, this will attract them back to the same place over and over. Use a specialist pet cleaner or diluted bio wash liquid. This will completely break down the odour so your dog can no longer smell it.

claw2 · 02/01/2014 09:31

Oh not a very good start to the New Year Juliet, hopefully the rest of the year will get better for you Smile

Thanks Lilcamper I have put him in a puppy play pen overnight to sleep. Its quite a large one and I have given him something of mine to sleep on and he has access to the cat flap, which he uses.

Its stopped him from peeing all around the house of a night, however as soon as i let him out during the day, he is peeing again, i literally leave the room for a few minutes and come back to pee everywhere!

Thanks for the tips, will try cleaning with what you suggest.

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Lilcamper · 02/01/2014 11:10

Try taking him back to basics with house training, this is worded for young pups but works for older dogs too:

Toilet training is all about creating good habits. Young pups have very small bladders and very little bladder control so they need to be in the right place when nature calls.

To toilet train successfully in as short a time as possible you must take your puppy to the garden:

When they wake

After eating

After taking a drink

Before, during and after a period of activity

When you come in

Before you go out

Before bedtime

During the adverts

And every twenty to thirty minutes in between unless they are asleep. During periods of activity change that to every ten to twenty minutes.

Stay outside with your pup. Do not nag or distract him just mooch about and he will do the same and eventually eliminate. Quiet praise is sufficient. Once pup has eliminated you can either stay out and play or go back indoors. If you stay out for a game then he will often need to go again before you go back indoors so stop the game and stay out for a while longer to give him a chance to go again.

If you have to take him back in and he hasn’t eliminated outside then either confine him to his crate, sit him on your lap or tuck him under your arm (small breeds only) as you go about your chores and try again in five minutes.

It is imperative that you do this, especially if you have started off with newspaper down or puppy pads because your puppy may prefer to pee indoors and he could simply be waiting to be taken back in. Give him zero opportunity to go wrong.

If your puppy toilets in the house it is because you haven’t toilet trained him yet and didn’t take him outside when he needed to go. When this happens take a rolled up newspaper and hit yourself over the head whilst repeating the words “I forgot to watch my puppy. I forgot to watch my puppy” If your puppy laughs at you when you do this – praise him.

Common mistakes during toilet training.

Using newspaper or puppy training pads. Whilst it may aid the clearing up process it can be very confusing for the pup that is taught or permitted to toilet in the house to make the transition to going outside and will often result in a pup that when playing in the garden will simply hold on until they are back indoors because that is where the toilet is.
Leaving the door open. This does nothing to teach the pup to toilet outside only.
Reprimands for toileting in the house will result in a dog that believes you disapprove of what he did not where he did it and is damaging to your relationship with your pup.
Giving treats for toileting in the garden, again the dog is being rewarded for what he did not where he did it. Whilst this is not going to be as big a problem as the reprimand, the clever dog will learn to do lots of little wees and never fully empty their bladder. The insecure dog may wee indoors to appease you if you get cross about something else because they know that this is something that pleases you and gets rewarded. NB using both reprimands and rewards is very confusing for your pup.
Expecting your pup to tell you when he needs to go out. Once a pup understands that outside is where the toilet is then he may start to let you know he needs out. However if you are not there to ask or you fail to notice him asking then the housetraining will break down. Far better to have a dog go out to the toilet on your schedule once they are house trained.
Giving your pup an ensuite in his crate. Do not encourage your pup to toilet in his crate by putting puppy pads in there. If you have to leave puppy for a while and he is going to need to go then best to have the crate inside a larger pen or blocked off area and leave the crate door open so that he can get away from his bed to toilet.

N.B. Areas indoors where pup has had an accident are best cleaned with biological washing powder. Avoid using disinfectant as this contains ammonia and can encourage pup to pee there again.

Overnight.

Young pups will need to go to the toilet once or twice in the night for anything from a few days to a few weeks.

If your pup is sleeping in a crate in the bedroom with you then they will wake and should let you know they need to go out. Carry pup to the garden to eliminate and then straight back to bed again. A few nights of this and it will take you longer to find your slippers because of sleep deprivation and consequently pup is learning to hold on and will soon be sleeping all night.

If you choose to leave puppy in the kitchen or utility room to sleep then do not shut them in a crate and simply clean up in the morning without comment.

Why punishment does not work for house training.

A typical morning in the life of an 8 week old pup.

7:00am Puppy pees in the garden – Owner present. Gets praised

7.30am Puppy pees in the kitchen – Owner present. Gets a reprimand

8:15am Puppy pees in the lounge – Owner not present. Nothing happens except relief

9:00am Puppy pees in the lounge – Owner present. Gets a reprimand

9:30 am Puppy pees in the kitchen – Owner not present. Nothing, just relief

11:00am Puppy pees in the garden – Owner doesn’t notice Just relief again

11:30am Puppy pees under the dining room table – Owner not present. Nothing happens

12:15pm Puppy pees in the garden – Owner present – gets praise

What we think we are teaching puppy is that it is good to pee in the garden and wrong to pee in the house but what the pup is actually learning is that sometimes it is rewarding to pee when the owner is present and sometimes it is dangerous. However it is always safe to go when the owner is not present and that so far the safest place is under the dining room table.

claw2 · 02/01/2014 11:42

Thanks Lilcamper, I will give that a go.

He uses the cat flap, so has 24/7 access to the garden, I give him a treat, every time he goes in the garden (actually come to think of it, its every time I see him using the cat flap, so he could be going in and out of the flap, just to get a treat!) He is getting worse, rather than improving I will go back to basics and start going out with him.

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Lilcamper · 02/01/2014 11:52

By having access to the cat flap he isn't making the right associations between inside and outside.

claw2 · 02/01/2014 12:02

Yep totally, it really isn't working and come to think of it, he has NEVER been 'clean' as such. He never poos in the house and does do some wee in the garden, just not regularly or consistent.

Do you think putting a lead on him and associating his lead with weeing and taking him out into the garden regularly, will help or confuse him more? (bit like going for a walk in the woods, where he does wee)

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Lilcamper · 02/01/2014 12:13

It might help him focus on the task at hand. Smile

claw2 · 02/01/2014 12:21

Thanks Lilcamper, At least now I have a plan of action. He is the sweetest little thing ever, however the constant weeing, is becoming a real pain.

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Lilcamper · 02/01/2014 12:26

Good luck Smile

claw2 · 02/01/2014 12:39

Thanks, so far today, only one wee, first thing when I let him out of his pen this morning. It is like he knows he shouldn't have done it, as he looks very sheepish! That's a good sign, I just need to teach him, where to go instead!

Fingers crossed!

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Lilcamper · 02/01/2014 13:01

Dogs don't do guilty interesting article

claw2 · 02/01/2014 13:14

Interesting, well he is very good at trying to get out of trouble then Grin he does the head down, run to the other dogs bed in the passage and watches me!

I say 'garden' and pick him up and put him in the garden, in fact now as soon as I say 'garden' he goes out the cat flap!

But as you say, he obviously has no association in what he is doing and isn't associating weeing and doing it in the garden, just when I wee inside, I go out in the garden after! I need to get the association going! I will take the advice from the info you posted and roll up a newspaper and hit myself around the head with it Grin

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