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New Puppy Mummies, Part 3

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DharmaLovesDraco · 09/11/2013 21:30

New thread, because quite frankly I can't do without you all :)

OP posts:
needastrongone · 12/12/2013 21:55

Lots of time to teach down at a distance yet moose, I doubt our dog would have been able to do it until recently anyway, just a bit more maturity and self control than when really young. I am afraid I am thinking the command is a bit like the algebra of the dog world, impressive if you can do it, but useful in real life?!

moosemama · 13/12/2013 10:47

I found instant down was easier for Lurcherboy to learn as a youngster than a reliable recall - which is odd, as he's generally a complete dingbat and not at all easy to train, because he's so slow on the uptake. 8 years later I can still get him to drop into a 'flat' in an instant and wait for me to get to him before he moves, but as I mentioned upthread, recall has been a touch wonky since we lost Oldgirl - I assume because, for a lonely dog, the motivation to greet other dogs is been far more rewarding than anything I have to offer.

I'm pretty sure the instant down won't be anywhere near as easy with Pip. He's a lot more highly strung and flighty and if he panics and bolts his running is fear driven, so he'll need a lot more reinforcement to ensure it becomes a conditioned response if I'm going to stand a chance of stopping him bolting. He's doing really well with his stay though, which is something else I thought he'd struggle with, so he may surprise me yet. I'm annoyed at myself for not starting to teach it sooner, because I think it's best to get the groundwork in young, even if they're not solid on it until they're a lot more mature.

I'm not talking cueing a down at a distance, by the way, but dropping into a down mid-flight, rather than recalling, so you can stop them hurtling towards something dangerous and retrieve them, rather than them having to return to you. Eg if they'd made it across a road in one direction and you need them to stay there rather than attempt it again to get back to you.

One of the pups in our class was chased by another dog when out walking last week and bolted through a field and across two main roads to get away. It was a miracle he wasn't hit. Fortunately the clever little lad ran all the way home and was waiting on the doorstep when they got back. It's the possibility of Pip doing something like that that terrifies me.

needastrongone · 13/12/2013 11:08

No, I understand what you are talking about, we haven't had a 'need' to use it yet, other than during training. Our dogs flight response is to hide between my legs probably Smile

Had a fab and unexpected walk this morning, we were only on our back fields, very standard walk, but guy with two Springer's was walking there too, then another guy arrived with two more. It was a 'herd' of Springer'sSmile.

One of the breed traits that is my favourite thing about Spaniels is that they are so happy and good natured. The dogs played and played and played, but in such a joyful way, it never tipped into a telling off but of course was high energy. One female kept running up to our dog, gently touching his nose, then running away, teasing him, which he loved. Smile

I try hard to be respectful of dogs that have fear or aggression issues (we are near to a large rescue centre, so there a lot!), but to have the field to ourselves, with five happy off lead Spaniels and to not have to be mindful was lovely too.

needastrongone · 13/12/2013 11:11

When do you think he would be most likely to bolt do you think?

moosemama · 13/12/2013 11:23

Your walk sounds fantastic. I bet he had an awesome time! Grin

He's so much better with other dogs now that he generally says a nice hello, then hangs back and lets Lurcherboy do most of the romping about. The couple of times he's bolted have been when he's plucked up enough courage to get into the game, but then panicked when the other dog started chasing him.

It's a difficult one to handle, as he really needs that off-lead interaction to improve his social skills and most of the time it's fine - they all have a sniff and a wag and go their separate ways. I don't want to keep him on-lead if I don't have to, but then it's difficult to predict what might spook him, so it's a case of constant monitoring and vigilance. To be fair, he's only bolted when chased and if there's no-one chasing him he does come back to me instead. It depends on how good the other dog's social skills are as to whether they realise he's scared and stop chasing or think it's fun and won't let up. Hmm

I have been considering buying a lighter longline to keep on him the whole time, but he's a devil for getting himself tangled up in them and I'm not sure I'd be fast enough to step on it if he suddenly bolted anyway.

needastrongone · 13/12/2013 11:39

Trust your training moose, I am sure he will surprise you Smile

picnicinthewoods · 13/12/2013 12:11

Gosh I hadn't even thought to teach Legend (GR 26 weeks) an 'instant down/stop'. Not too late is it?? Sounds very useful. What cue word do you use? How do I start to train it?

All going well for us at the moment. For those of you who know of Legend's problems, he is really making good progress via the behaviourist. I think some of it is that he just seems so settled with us at last. He is even trying to be rather cheeky like tries to get on the sofa etc which he has never dared to try before. He is much more like I expected a puppy to be now, but its taken 3 months to get to this point! Still further work to do re strangers, but I can now talk to a stranger (most of the time) without him being worried. Still not at the touching stage, but I know we will get there.

Hope everyone's doing ok!

I expect you all know this already but wanted to warn others about the dangers of those stupid retractable leads! My mum gave me one and I used it yesterday. My son held the lead and Legend saw a dog to play with and went from zero to his fastest v quickly and pulled DS through the air and dragged him across the field! DS was fine (just muddy, wet and tearful), but the jolt was certainly bad enough for a real injury. Beware!

mintchocchick · 13/12/2013 14:24

That sounds really positive picnic - about Legend and him settling now. Your son being dragged about not so positive. Our trainer had warned us away from retractable leads so maybe that's why. You live and learn don't you and at least your son wasn't hurt.

My struggle is I am convinced there is a strong connection between DHs way of coming home and greeting the dog and subsequent tellings off when dog leaps and his behaviour I.e. DH will be tired when he gets home, not really say hello much then be really short tempered when dog leaps and he shoves dog in garden cue lots of barking & leaping at back door leading to hyper puppy.

When I come home I say a proper leaning down stroky hello to dog then if I think he's going to leap I command him onto his bed, sit, flat, stay = calmer focused dog.

My DH does not get the connection and thinks the dogs out to get him! I am struggling with this and it's affecting our relationship

GhostsInSnow · 13/12/2013 15:42

help me ladies I'm wavering!

As I said Pup is a surprise for DD, we pick him up a week tomorrow. DD is having a thoroughly miserable time of it of late and is quite down in the dumps. I've booked us Hobbit tickets for Sunday to cheer her up but DH thinks we should tell her about pup and give her something to look forward to.

I say we have a week, shes already looking forward to end of term and I still think it would be an amazing surprise.

Thoughts?

needastrongone · 13/12/2013 17:06

Good news re Legend picnic. Our dog is 14 months nearly, down/stop is only recent. You build on the 'down' command. Do you do this command? We use a gesture for down in addition and its the command that we use 'authority' in our voice, or 'urgency' I guess, as you want them to stop immediately. So, DH will shout the command and use the gesture but also crouch down too. I think the dog responds to the urgency of his voice. Moose will explain much better Smile

I probably sound like an expert, in reality, our dog is just a bit older than you guys have got to yet Smile

ahh mint, I can see what you mean. Can you show by example? Have you talked to DH?

Juice - I am useless at secrets, so would end up telling, but I am not saying that's the best advice! I think that it would depend what your DD was really sad about tbh.

GhostsInSnow · 13/12/2013 17:12

need its complex, but in a nutshell, she's 16 and has been close friends with a boy for about 2 years. Finally after much badgering she's become his GF. The change in him was overnight and he texts her constantly with much doom and gloom and everyone hates him etc. If she doesn't reply instantly she's ignoring him Frankly it's making her miserable. They only see each other at weekends anyway but this last week she's not been sleeping and wants to dump him but doesn't know how.

I really feel for her at the moment, she's a lovely kid and the thought of hurting his feelings is worrying her, but his behaviour is doing her no favours at all.

GhostsInSnow · 13/12/2013 17:15

The badgering to become his GF was from him I add, not her.

moosemama · 13/12/2013 17:58

Great news about Legend's progress Picnic.

I trained Lurcherboy's emergency down a little differently, as I use a different cue and hand signal. We use 'down' with a flat hand gesture to mean lie down and stop pacing around the living room or generally lie down in training etc, but 'flat' with a raised arm for for the instant down at a distance. Iirc, this came about because Lurcherboy came to us at 16 weeks and someone had already managed to confuddle him re the difference between 'sit' and 'down' and I wanted him to be absolutely clear what I was expecting of him.

Trying to decide whether to build on Pip's down or stick with the same cue for him that we use for Lurcherboy. Thinking it may be better to use the same cue, as then we can stop them both with one cue if necessary when they're both off-lead.

Mint, if it's that big a problem, I think I'd be inclined to do some avoidance for a while till things calm down. How about giving Minty a kong or other treat when you're expecting dh home, so there isn't that initial over-excited greeting. Then your dh will be able to come in and have time to shake off his day, before greeting Minty on his terms, when he's more likely to have relaxed and be willing to do it your way.

Juice, that sounds really hard for your dd. I think I would be hopeless and end up telling her. I suppose it depends if you think it will really cheer her up or if it will just be a nice distraction, but she'll still be just as stressed and upset about the bf situation. Once you've picked the pup up it will be far more real than just being told you're going to and having him there will be a very real, constant, distraction, not to mention instant mood lifter (Pip can make me laugh even when I'm at my lowest ebb) and furry confidant.

needastrongone · 13/12/2013 18:14

I have all this to come as DD is 12 (going on 27...), I am afraid I would tell, but I am hopeless and crap at secrets. I am sorry that she;s going through this though.

GhostsInSnow · 13/12/2013 20:25

need, I'd done quite well to avoid the whole boy thing thus far.she's not an especially girly girl, or particularly outgoing. she's happiest in her room sat in a big gaming chair on her ps3. she's never really bothered with boys or going out. She tells me she is sticking to gaming and forgetting boys for the foreseeable lol.
for now our secret its held though and she's a bit happier so I'll see how it goes.

good luck for the next few years, boys are so much less complex Blush Blush [bl

picnicinthewoods · 13/12/2013 21:03

ok thanks I will have a go at training him to do that:)

Re telling your DD juice, it depends how she deals with surprises! In our house we warn the kids about most things, good or bad as it gives them time to prepare:) Personally I hate surprises!

But if you've kept it from her a long while, its only another week to go......and you wanted it to be a surprise, so hang in there!!! & tell us how it goes! How exciting. Her reaction will be priceless.

Karbea · 13/12/2013 21:41

Hello,

I recently lost my puppy at just under 9 months :( but we've decided to get another baby and pick him/her up on the 29th. We went to visit the pups at 2 and a half weeks when they were cute furry sausages. Tomorrow we are going to meet them again and now they are proper little puppies, playing, wagging tails, into everything! So excited!

Just wanted to say hello :)

GhostsInSnow · 13/12/2013 21:56

Picnic, she deals with surprises well, she's been on at me daily since we lost Bob for another pup so preperation isn't an issue. My theory was we only have a week left. I've snuck around for 2 weeks now, one more week won't hurt. I've decided to not tell her, mostly because I know how thrilled with the surprise she will be. Tears all round that morning I think Grin

Karbea, how awful! I was devastated to lose Bob at nearly 14 so 9 months must be heartbreaking. Glad you are getting another! What breed are you having?

mintchocchick · 13/12/2013 21:57

Oh that's really sad Karbea, that must have been awful. Good luck with your new pup - what's the breed?

Moose - a relationship counsellor as well as dog trainer! You were spot on in a way you would never of imagined! Just needs the heat taken out of situation because actually it's not to do with the dog or our relationship but to do with my poor DH who has really started to struggle this past week with his own emotions. He's having a stressy time for other reasons so actually giving him some space from excited puppy is the best thing to do - staring me in the face and I couldn't see it!

Surprises- I just love surprises but even more than that I love to know I'm getting a surprise because I drift off to sleep dreaming of what it might be and spend day dreamy moments doing same! Would your daughter like to know there's something wonderful about to happen but you can't tell her what exactly except that she'll love it!?

Karbea · 13/12/2013 22:02

Yes it was heartbreaking he was my life. Puppies are American Cockers :)

GhostsInSnow · 13/12/2013 22:21

Mint, I think she'd guess what was afoot tbh. I'm a bit surprised she's not noticed something amiss yet because I've been puppy proofing under the guise of 'cleaning' for a few weeks Grin

Kareba, American Cockers are too cute!!

mintchocchick · 13/12/2013 22:37

Karbea - had to google American cockers - they're gorgeous! So cute, will there be loads of grooming involved?

What sort of dog was your puppy? Do you mind being asked about her/him?

mintchocchick · 13/12/2013 22:39

Karbea - just seen he was a male pup, sorry

NCISaddict · 14/12/2013 07:21

Finn hasn't eaten for a day, he's normally fed Natural instinct working puppy food. He has diarrhoea, not constant or watery, more like curdled milk and it's not frequent. No blood in it. He's full of beans and drinking/weeing normally. Should I wait and see how he is or take him to the vets today?
I'd know exactly what to do with a child with those symptoms (wait and see) but am second guessing myself with the dog.

GhostsInSnow · 14/12/2013 10:23

NCI when mine had that I'd starve for 24 hours then give scrambled egg the following day with a small amount of the normal food in it. Day 3 I'd give regular food.