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Puppy growling at people

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picnicinthewoods · 06/10/2013 17:42

So pup is now 16 weeks old & is a male golden retriever. We got him at 13 weeks, but he was socialised with people before we got him, though not with lots of different people & he was part of a big litter so even when people came around to visit the pups, he wasn't getting lots of individual attention iygwim. Since we've had him I have obviously been socialising him, but he is a timid pup and Im going by something I heard which is 'no experience is better than a bad experience' with dog socialisation. Slow and steady is how we are doing things. The first week we got him he growled at DD and snarled at DS. It worried me, but I felt DD in particular was not giving pup any space and I ended up printing off a poster of do's and don'ts with puppies & she has respected this and been very good. Consequently he has not growled at her since. However this week he has growled a lot at people. One time at our neighbour who approached him on the street & then today to my friend and then later at my niece. He then hid behind me. I told them to ignore him for a bit and just chat to me, and then later I got my friend to give him treats and eventually he allowed her to stroke him, but he was still rather wary.
We will be going to puppy training with him but not until he's 19 weeks old. I couldn't get onto an earlier course.
He is quite bouncy with other dogs as the breeder had lots of pet dogs of their own and my feeling is he was left for long periods in the company of dogs, rather than people.
My instinct tells me he is not an aggressive dog, just a rather shy puppy who needs to warm up to people in his own time.
He is such a good boy in every other way, housetraining seems to be quite straight forward with him, he's happy being left for up to 2 hours in the house and never messes; he's very good at night; he has learnt to 'sit', 'fetch', 'drop' and comes to his name in the house; he is an excellent 'communicator & he tells you when he wants to go to bed at night, when he does or does not want to play or if he's had enough when we're out with him.
What's making me slightly stress is all the puppy books telling me the window for socialisation closes at 16 weeks! I need to get him over his fear of people and I feel like I'm under pressure to do this each week that goes by. The trouble is that because he's so timid, I cannot rush him so I feel like I'm in a catch 22.
Please, any thoughts from more experienced dog owners! This is my first puppy. We love him and are prepared to put the work in. Would the growling worry you? I don't want to tell him off for growling as its a warning I feel.

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Lilcamper · 06/10/2013 17:56

Definitely do not tell him off for growling. If he hasn't got the ability to tell you he isn't happy by growling, he will have to go to the next step which is biting.

He is reacting out of fear and not aggression. I would look into a behaviourist through the APBC for this, after the window closes, it is no longer socialisation but rehabilitation and some recent studies suggest that the socialisation window in retrievers is as early as 9 weeks.

picnicinthewoods · 06/10/2013 19:05

9 weeks! but that means all the socialisation needs to be done by the breeder?

Is this something that can be sorted easily do you think?

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picnicinthewoods · 06/10/2013 19:15

By the way, did I do the right thing when he growled? Ignore and then try to get him used to my friend via my friend offering him treats. The pup wont see this as rewarding the growling will he?

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picnicinthewoods · 06/10/2013 19:18

.......and although Ive said hes good in all other ways, I should add that he is also frightened of: the grooming brush, my DD's tap shoes, loud noises, pushchairs.........so far!

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Lilcamper · 06/10/2013 19:31

YOU need to be giving the treats. A fearful dog is a conflicted one. He wants the treats but is still scared of the stranger. Treats from you will eventually mean stranger = yay goodies!

picnicinthewoods · 06/10/2013 19:37

oh ok, I didn't realise the treats should come from me not them. I was assuming treat from stranger=strangers are good.

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picnicinthewoods · 06/10/2013 19:39

So how will I do it then? I have a friend round tomorrow with children. Whats the best way to approach it so that the experience is a positive one and at what point do I give the treats then?

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idirdog · 06/10/2013 19:52

You can easily turn this around. I hate the socialisation window time scale. It varies on breeds, dogs and the environment that they are in.

Puppies need socialisation that is an absolute truth BUT puppies need GOOD socialisation not just any socialisation. I hate puppy socialisation classes with a passion and will never ever take my dogs to them. (When in real life do dogs meet a group of 6 or more over excited puppies, they should be meeting adult dogs who will politely tell them what is acceptable behaviour) However I will socialise them with well behaved dogs from as early as possible.

You sound like you have a worrier, that is fine just takes things slowly and at his pace.

Re meeting strangers - I would avoid this to start with, just let him meet people that know in advance that he is nervous. Do not go close to them, let him see them and then you give him a treat and walk away. You will find very quickly that you can get a bit nearer before he shows any signs of anxiety.

Your gut feelings are absolutely right - do not let people speak to him, let the be near you and ignoring him. If he does growl etc you are too close to the triggers etc.

If he does say a cheerful lets go and turn him away and walk away. As he realises that you will keep him safe he will get more confident.

Re grooming brush just leave the brush around, pick it up and give him a treat, do not use it on him, when he is happy with this then air brush him quite a distance from his fur, treat as you do this. Just build up to touching him with it when he does not react to the air brushing etc.

A one off session with a good APDT trainer would help you to confirm what you are doing and set up the right training for him before it becomes a problem.

picnicinthewoods · 06/10/2013 20:44

Thank you idirdog, that sounds like very sensible advice which I can follow. I know little about dog behaviour etc but I feel very sure about what you say regarding GOOD socialisation, rather than just any socialisation. I think Ive been panicking a bit after reading the list in the back of The Perfect Puppy book, I think if I followed that with my pup he really would turn out to be a basket case! Slow & steady is best for him:)

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Lilcamper · 06/10/2013 21:00

Fabulous advice idirdog Smile

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