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New Puppy Mummies Part 2

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SallyBear · 24/09/2013 13:16

Just thought I'd start the new thread!

Toby (foxy coloured yellow Labrador) is now 13 weeks old. Long, lean and lanky. Still wonderfully tempered and is sleeping through and no longer messing in the house.

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moosemama · 14/10/2013 21:34

What I don't get is that I've done everything right with Pip, according to all the books and SA programmes and he still yells. Hmm

He's come a long way, I do know that. I couldn't step away from his crate at all for the first couple of weeks. Then I couldn't step across the kitchen door threshold and since then we've gradually built up the time he's happy to be left and he'll sleep for an hour and a half or more sometimes in the kitchen on his own while I'm elsewhere in the house now.

I just get a bit fed up sometimes when other people, who haven't done anything specific to help their pups get used to being alone end up with nice relaxed dogs who sleep or happily chew their toys when they're out and I yet I've been working on it since day 1 with Pip and still can't even go for a coffee without taking him with me. Hmm

I've worked out it's down to him never being alone for a second from birth to when we adopted him at 10 weeks. So I was working remedially from the off, but sometimes I just want to stamp my feet and have a good old tantrum about the unfairness of it all. Blush Grin

SallyBear · 14/10/2013 21:39

I know what you mean! I'm trying really hard to get him to accept that I can go to the loo ON MY OWN,

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moosemama · 14/10/2013 21:58

I made the mistake of passing the middle of a loo roll out of the toilet room door to Pip - once - now he waits outside every single time I go. Hmm

Just found out there was a massive pointy dog show literally at the end of my road last weekend and I blooming well missed it. Hmm Talk about missed opportunity for puppy socialisation. Harrumph!

SallyBear · 14/10/2013 22:14

I contacted the breeder today and we we going to meet up to let Mavis and Toby see each other. Should be interesting seeing as they've been apart for 8 weeks!

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sweetkitty · 15/10/2013 07:05

I got a bit bored after the first 10 mins and have to admit I turned it over.

SallyBear · 15/10/2013 08:46

Argh!! Toby this morning was in the doghouse. DH fed him, let him out in the garden but didn't check what he was doing. Then let him back in. Toby then ran upstairs to DS4's room and shat on the new rug that we bought on Sunday!! Sigh.

I do think that DH needs to remember that he's still a puppy and that he needs to make sure he's been outside and done everything. I didn't say anything about it, as I think that DH worked that one out for himself.....

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moosemama · 15/10/2013 09:13

Oops. Sounds more like dh was in the doghouse than Toby! Grin

How lovely for him to meet up with one of his siblings. Pip's sister was adopted by a couple from Edinburgh apparently, so even if we did have contact with them, a meet up is unlikely.

He has an honorary sister on Lurcher Link though. She's the same age, same size and looks almost identical but for a wider blaze on her face - we actually think she could possibly be a litter sister, as we don't know how he ended up in the road and she'd been through 3 owners by 7 weeks old, so no-one knows where she came from. As there was only Pip and the Edinburgh sister in the gutter at less than one day old - and they're big dogs, so there would have been more in the litter, you never know.

We're hoping to get Pip and his honorary sister together at an LL even sometime. Smile

picnicinthewoods · 15/10/2013 10:04

I also watched that programme last night & its made me feel horrid:( As far as I'm aware Legend rests/sleeps when we're out, since he's always in his basket if I ask my sister to pop over and check on him. She lives next door so I know he doesn't bark or howl. I thought that all meant he was happy, but that programme suggests even the quiet dogs (or most of them) were feeling anxious when left. I already can't focus on stuff when I'm out cos I'm worrying about him. It's always niggling in the back of my mind.
I thought the progamme was very unhelpful overall & made me feel rubbish.

Lifeisontheup · 15/10/2013 10:32

I thought about this, Finn is only 10 weeks old but seems happy to be left, lies down and doesn't howl, bark or whine. If he appeared unhappy I could do something about it but as he appears relaxed I can't do anything to change something that may not even be broken.
I'm not going to worry when I have to go out, it is a pointless worry and that way madness lies.
I don't spend my time worrying about my children even when I haven't heard from them in a while (DS1 I'm looking at you) so I'm not about to start worrying about a dog who seems perfectly happy.

Was an interesting programme though although rather simplistic but I guess it's difficult to go into everything in depth in one hour. Needs to be taken with a pinch of salt methinks.

picnicinthewoods · 15/10/2013 11:49

Lifeisontheup I think you are right:) My pup seems happy, so therefore I need to assume he is. The reality is, he has to be left. I consider him to be pretty lucky though, we are home a lot or at least I am when the kids have groups or clubs it just the drop off/pick up time. I do have one day a week when I need to be out 4 hours but I have arranged for my sister to pop in half way through and spend an hour with him, feed him and let him in the garden. The other days he has not been left longer than 2 hours and many things we do (lots of outdoorsy stuff) he can come along to as he gets older and has the endurance. At the mo, half an hour out and about and he's knackered.
I must train myself to switch off, you are right:)
On the same subject......I read somewhere not to give him too much attention as we leave and also to wait 5 mins before giving him attention when we get back. I don't know if this is meant to help with the whole separation thing and now I cant think where I read it. can anyone shed any light on whether this is helpful or just pointless???

mintchocchick · 15/10/2013 13:33

I don't think dogs would have adapted so well to being domestic pets if they were that unhappy being on their own. I came back from the school run today and puppy was barking which was the first time as he's usually asleep on his pillow. It worried me a bit but I'm imagining its a one off. We do need to switch off once we've checked they have all they need and are safe.

I'm having a terrible time these past few days with our puppy. He's really excited in the evenings and has been jumpy and nippy a lot and we're all getting really stressed with it. DH went to bed at 9 last night as he found it such a stressy environment downstairs and I was in tears wondering where I was going wrong. I can't work out if he needs a) more stimulation - training, walking, playing or b) less stimulation and more help settling.

I just feel I'm getting it all wrong. And then instead of cancelling our babysitter for tonight to save her from it all, I'm sticking to our plan to go out because I feel I need an evening away from it all. Bit horrid and bet I don't relax and rush my meal to get home early.

Lifeisontheup · 15/10/2013 15:18

Mint I find Finn has to go in his crate for about an hour after having his supper at about 6 so he can have a proper sleep otherwise he gets completely manic and overtired for the whole evening. I then sometimes give him a pigs ear to chew which keeps him calm.

He has at least three enforced naptimes in his crate during the day as he will wake up the instant you move if he sleeps in the living room. Sleeping in his crate seems to calm him. I suppose he must be like an overtired toddler who needs to sleep even if they don't want to.

mintchocchick · 15/10/2013 16:00

Yes and that is a real advantage of the crate. We don't use one and our puppy is in a puppy-proofed kitchen which is fine when I go out as he can potter round and has a good degree of space and freedom, but we have nowhere for enforced naps.

I need to work on that - an evening nap would really help. If he's put in the kitchen when we're in the house he barks like mad, hates being excluded! Does your puppy not cry in the crate when the rest of the house is busy?

Lifeisontheup · 15/10/2013 16:49

No he just lies down and generally goes to sleep, he's slept in there at night from the word go and I potter around tidying the kitchen after he goes in there so he's used to me moving around. He's never cried, even the first night. I do leave the radio on though.
It took a few days and a very sensible DD to work out that he needed enforced sleep during the day to keep him a bit calmer.

mintchocchick · 15/10/2013 17:46

They're all so different. We tried a crate for 4 days and nights and despite feeding him in it and sitting next to it throwing treats in with door open etc, he yelled, cried, chewed the bars and made such a dim it was as though there was a pack of wolves in there whenever the door was shut, day or night.

You're lucky your puppy has settled well. Or maybe you did something that I didn't do that was crucial! You never know.

Someone told me about the ' puppy hold' where you hold a wriggling puppy till they drop off to sleep if they're over tired. I can see that working with a small puppy but our 10kilo pup would be impossible to restrain!

Lifeisontheup · 15/10/2013 17:56

I think it's probably because ours came from a working collie Mum so was kenneled at nights. We put a thick cover over the back of the crate so it was more like the kennel he was used to.

I couldn't believe it when he slept all night without accidents from his first night. He rarely has accidents indoors now and it's generally when we miss the signs that he wants to go out but I'm sure he'll have some problems stored up for us to tackle as he gets older.

sebastianthesingingaubergine · 15/10/2013 18:06

Mint yours sounds a little like mine! The nipping and jumping is intolerable sometimes. She WILL NOT stop jumping up for food/mugging the kids etc, despite all the training I have tried with her. She responds well to clicker training, but I find at the moment she son't do any command unless she knows I have a treat for a reward! She gets off the sofa when I say OFF (sometimes) but if I have to lift her off it all turns into a game and she wants to nip me while I'm trying to do it. Her latest trick is getting on the kitchen table...... Sigh.

Moose, in answer to your question, no, it is definitely a happy wag!

I love the kikopup videos. I have tried the no jumping one, but it isn't working, yet. I think I maybe need to be more consistent, and more organised by having treats when I am preparing food etc, so that I can actually catch her in the act so to speak.

It is draining! One day, we'll look back on all this and laugh....Hmm

sebastianthesingingaubergine · 15/10/2013 18:08

On a positive note, yesterday was the first time Mabel asked to go out for a wee! And today she did a little whimper at me, I let her out and she went out for a long one. Progress people. Progress.

moosemama · 15/10/2013 18:44

There were some dogs on the programme who weren't stressed and the study itself was very lacking. There was no correlation on how many of the dogs involved were rescue dogs, what breeds they were and what category of breed (eg working vs show, hound, terrier, toy etc) how many people worked, how many spent almost all their time with the dog, what socialisation they had.

It would be very interesting to know what was different about the dogs that didn't have high cortisol levels. I would hazard a guess they were the ones that had a good, secure starts like the pups on this list, who had owners that got them used to being left from as young an age as possible.

Mintchoc, it does sound like he's tired, but too hyped to settle himself. You could try teaching him 'settle', basically just repeat the word in a soothing voice every time you catch him settling down or napping for a few words. So "Settle" then immediately "Good Boy". Alternatively you could do a bit of what they did on that programme and get a rug or mat and train him to settle quietly on it. You just reward him for going on the mat initially, then for sitting on it, then lying on it, then extend the length of time he's on it and eventually only rewarding him when he stays there quietly for a period of time. and might be helpful too.

We've been out for the day to visit my sister today. It involved an hour's drive in the boot of my Mum's car with Lurcherboy. We'd steeled ourselves for him to yell, but after a minute or two of whining he shut up and was quiet all the way there. Grin Our crate doesn't fit in Mum's car, so both dogs were attached via there harnesses to anchor points in the boot. Unfortunately, I failed to realise that Pip had his long lead on and at one point he half climbed over and ended up sitting on dd's head. Fortunately, he did listen when I told him 'off' and he didn't try it again.

Puppy classes tomorrow and I'm ridiculously nervous.

sweetkitty · 15/10/2013 18:49

Sebastian - we must be at the same stage, clicker training going great she will actually come up sit nice and give you a paw without asking if she thinks there's treats on the go. But outside of training she is awful at jumping and nipping. In the morning I throw her out in the garden with a pigs ear or something. Then she's sleepy and is so lovely and just wants to cuddle up with you Grin totally soft mummy.

Lifeisontheup · 15/10/2013 21:04

I have really anguished about posting this and apologise if it upsets anyone but I know we all have our dogs best interests at heart. Please don't flame me, I could not feel any worse about it. It will also out me to anyone who knows me well.

In 1999 I had a Border Collie called Jess, she was 7 years old then and I got her the day I finished work on maternity leave in 1992 with my first child. They grew up together and were the best of friends.

I took Jess out with me to a class the DC's had as it was a chance to give her an extra walk. She lived to chase sticks but I rarely threw one for her as I am really crap at throwing. She bought me a fairly flimsy stick and, without thinking, I tossed it for her. She bolted after it at speed as border collies do, landed on it and was dead less than a minute later.
The vet said that the stick had punctured her jugular and she'd died of an air embolism. The only consolation I had was that she'd died doing something she loved and that it was mercifully quick.

I'm sure none of you will but please do not throw sticks for your dogs.
Thanks for reading.

DharmaLovesDraco · 15/10/2013 21:12

:( I'm so sorry Life that must have been horrific , no flaming here just (((hugs)))

basildonbond · 15/10/2013 21:16

Poor Jess and poor you, that must have been so traumatic for you

I'm paranoid about sticks as one of the dogs we knew in the park growing up died on similar circumstances - I'm also paranoid about small balls as my mum's friend's guide dog choked and died when he was chasing a ball :(

moosemama · 15/10/2013 21:17

So very sorry you lost your girl like that Lifeis. Sad

It's a very important thing to raise awareness about and it's not just throwing sticks that's a problem. My Border Collie x Belgian Shepherd nearly died as a result of chewing a stick she found as a windfall in the garden. The splinters made their way through her oesophagus into her neck and travelled through the tissue, leaving pockets and tracks of infection as they went.

She had a huge neck ruff, so we were unable to see the resultant swelling. We only realised there was a problem when she was trying desperately to drink, but couldn't. We don't know how long she had the infection for, but rushed her into the vets, who found her oesophagus had developed adhesions that were tying her tongue down. She had an emergency op, which opened up her neck and flushed all the pockets of infection and the vet told us to brace ourselves for the worst. Luckily she pulled through. She was an incredibly strong and resilient girl and even though she was 12 when it happened she was back to her usual bouncy self within days after the op.

Scary how something so seemingly harmless can be so dangerous.

Lifeisontheup · 15/10/2013 21:19

It was the most horrible experience of my life, the worst thing was that all three DC's witnessed it, the DS's don't remember but DD does a little, she was just 7 and is 21 now. Jess was my constant companion, obedient and my companion through the early stages of three labours. She used to lick the DC's feet as I sat feeding them on those long evenings with a new born.
Finn is such a bitter sweet reminder of what a beautiful dog she was although he is his own person and an absolute joy.

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