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Talk to me about Labs please

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FreddieStarrAteMyHamster · 21/09/2013 19:04

Sadly we lost our young rescue Springer this year due to a heart defect. To say we are gutted is an understatement. Before her we had a lovely Cocker who lived to 14 and before her a standard Poodle.
I can't bear the house without a dog by my side. Thinking next year of maybe a Black Labrador due to lots of positive experience on dog walks but know very little about them so doing homework now.
Have DD who is 9 and DH and a big garden. We have rescue rabbits who live outside and are fairly 'bombproof'.
Talk to me about labs please, how much work are they, what are their needs, how long can they be left alone and importantly how do I search for a good breeder as I haven't 'bought' an animal since our Cocker 18 years ago?
Many thanks.

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idirdog · 21/09/2013 19:46

Labs are lovely. Loyal, happy dogs that love to work for you, will love all family members the same, easy to train and have simple needs.

They will need regular exercise but if you are used to springers this will be about the same, they will scent and could be chasers unless this is worked on. They love to be busy but after some exercise will happily sleep for a time.

They will get wet if there is any water around, will always be looking for food (but you can work this to your advantage).

A house has to have a lab in it at some stage Smile

Can't help with breeders as one of mine is a failed assistance dog (we puppy walked him and probably ruined him!) and the other is rescue.

You could do a call out for Daisydotandgertie she knows loooooooads about labs

Gymbob · 21/09/2013 19:48

sorry to hear of your loss, I can't bear the thought of losing my boy Sad

I don't have a lab now but grew up with them and friends have them.

They are what you make them like all dogs. training and consistency is vital. They LOVE water and will take any opportunity to even jump in a puddle. They are greedy dogs too. They love long long walks so are best suited to an active family. They don't do well left alone for long periods. One friend leaves hers in his crate for most of the day to keep him out of mischief, which I disagree with, and another friend doesn't have much dining table left. he ate the chairs first before starting on the legs.

I think it's great you are doing your research first many just jump in without giving a thought as to what will suit their family and lifestyle.

good luck let us know what you decide on Grin I won't tell you what breed I have as I am well biased and of course I have the best there is Grin Grin Grin

Labradorwhisperer · 21/09/2013 20:10

Hi Freddie,

First of all, very sorry for your loss.

I have two labs, my oldest (yellow) is nearly 5, my youngest is 3 (black). They are my first dogs, but I have found them to be a lovely breed - hence my nickname! Well trained, mature labs are capable of being placid and loving at home (and gentle with children), but active and lively enough to really enjoy a long walk and/or swim. They are an intelligent breed, very trainable and don't generally have an agressive nature (although my older dog has a booming bark). I can leave mine generally for up to six hours. I wouldn't really be concerned about their behaviour if I pushed that a little longer, but I really don't like to do that for my own peace of mind. They do go to "doggy day care" when I am at work though through choice.

I take them to training classes, which are a mix of obedience, aglitlty and search/tracking work, because they do need things to occupy their minds.

As a breed, they are notoriously greedy and you have to watch their weight. They are deep chested dogs, so are at risk of bloat. In order to keep them safe, you need to give them two smaller meals a day, and not exercise them at least two hours after and an hour before a meal.

The main health problems come from a tendency to hip displasia, although recent breeding has meant that elbows can be more of a problem. There are also inherited heart and eye conditions. Any good breeder will have fully hip and elbow scored the parents and have had the necessary heart and eye tests done. Check the kennel club web site for indications of a good hip score for the breed. If you get a puppy, you need to plan on their first 18 months being gentle walking only, avoiding heavy impact/stairs/abrupt changes of direction/too long a walk to make sure the hips develop in a healthy way - although try telling that to the dog!

Labs mature at around two years old - so they have a long adolescence -and can be quite boiserious if not exercised/trained/socialised. Be prepared for a potentially tough time for a few months with chewing/jumping up/counter surfing and mouthing. This is where training and lots of things to chew on will be useful. Controlling the dog's natural exuberance will be the main issue. We used crates to train ours and this did keep them safe and protect our furniture when we needed to go out!

There are almost two types of labs now - show lines (think the chunky, stocky dog) and working dogs. Mine are from working dog lines. Finer boned, slightly more highly strung but having the stamina for long walks and lots of activity.

Labs were originally bred to bring in fishing nets. They are born swimmers and as such have webbed feet (so you need to regularly check between the dog's toes for grass seeds etc) and a double coat. This means they do shed quite a bit but it is manageable with brushing. They don't need a bath too often (unless they get in something stinky).

Generally, they are affectionate, curious, loyal and fun. I wouldn't be without mine, but I have the time to take them for long walks and train them. Young dogs/puppies in my opinion would not really work in households where they won't get at least an hours/attention exercise a day. Adult dogs are much more manageable than puppies if you put the groundwork in.

Anecdotally, black labs are the more intelligent of the labs, which can either be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on whether the dog wants to work with you!

Picking a breeder is not something to rush. The relevant medical tests are essential, and the usual tips to avoid puppy farms, including being able to meet the parents, and see them with the pups, seeing where the puppies are being raised, kennel club papers and just the feel of the place. Our dogs have the same mum and came from the same wonderful breeders who raised them in their family home on a working farm, fathered by a gun dog of a really good pedigree. We paid between £400 and £450 for our two.

Hope that helps!

Labradorwhisperer · 21/09/2013 20:10

Oh my goodness that was long!

TippiShagpile · 21/09/2013 20:18

So sorry for your loss.

I grew up with labs. We have one (as well as 2 young children) and she is the most wonderful dog. She's loyal, loving, always pleased to see us, comes to the office with me, and keeps me company when dh is away.

She's getting on now but she has a reasonably long walk first thing and a shorter walk in the afternoon/evening. However, if dh is away and I'm working she's very happy to potter in the garden. We don't leave her alone for long because we don't have to and I don't think it's ideal to leave any dog for too long but that's just my opinion.

TippiShagpile · 21/09/2013 20:21

And yes to putting the training in as a pup. We spent some time training ours and she is so well behaved and an absolute to delight to take for a walk. We live in a national park with animals running free everywhere and she doesn't bother them, comes when she's called and really is no trouble.

HindsightisaMarvellousThing · 21/09/2013 20:27

I've got 3 labs - one dim yellow dog, one normal yellow one and a clever black one. Fabulous dogs, and I wouldn't have any other breed now.

They have all, between 8-14 months old, eaten large items of furniture. This is after breakfast, playing in the garden, school run, 60 minutes + walk with other dogs, back home and left with kongs and chewsticks.....then they eat furniture.

And, though people may have other views, I've found that male labs love humping other dogs more so than dogs of other breeds. I'd go for a bitch in the future rather than a dog.

EverythingIsSoThrowback · 21/09/2013 20:34

If you can, please get a rescue, or at least a dog from a pound/shelter. (Labs do tend to get taken up pretty fast though)

Neither of my labs had a problem being left at home, while it's something we try to do as little as possible, our labs have occasionally done 10 hour days alone at home before, so I don't think leaving at home is a problem. Our lab has a bit of a heart problem, as well as being generally frightened of being out, so her walks tend to add up to 1 1/2 - 2 hours a day, so it's not really that much work.

Labradorwhisperer · 21/09/2013 20:35

Haha! I agree with you on the humping, hindsight. My older yellow boy loooooves to hump given half a chance. Mainly, boys. And mainly at the head end. I love him anyway.

Whenever he and my younger dog play fight, at the end of it, my black dog has long since resigned himself to having to stand still in order to receive his brother's "victory hump" to both ends.

Teaching good recall off lead has been quite important in the circumstances!

clam · 21/09/2013 20:47

My sister has a chocolate lab, Jasper. He's gorgeous BUT my GOD, as a puppy he chewed! He wasn't even left alone much, the odd hour here and there, but he seemed to have a compulsion to lock his jaws around anything he could get hold of and gnaw. He wrecked their kitchen - the kick boards and skirting boards mainly, as well as the corners of cupboards. Internet wires, post - new car tax disc, you name it.
He had every chew toy on the planet and decimated them all. Chew deterrent sprays didn't deter him. He's finally grown out of it and they've found a couple of indestructible toys for him (mail order from the States) that he can play with now.
They wouldn't swap him for the earth, but dsis has said that she would never get another lab!

TippiShagpile · 21/09/2013 20:57

Oh yeah, mine ate the kitchen when she was a puppy. Forgot about that...

clam · 21/09/2013 21:06

Mind you, if you've had a spaniel and you've had a poodle, may I suggest a cockapoo?

Grittzio · 21/09/2013 21:26

My gorgeous black lab will be 13, she is a poorly girl but comfortable, I wish I could clone her, she has been the best dog a family could ask for.

Don't be fooled by getting a female lab to avoid the embarrassing humping, now she's older she doesn't do it as much, but many a time I had to pull her off dogs which she'd clamped herself to. Ours loved a ball in the early days but be careful as they can suffer with their shoulders dipping down to retrieve the ball at full pelt, we stopped this and no problem with her shoulders now. Also I wasn't aware how much a lab would moult but now we have a furminator this helps enormously with fur loss.

A good all round family dog, I am going to be gutted when she decides her time is up, as we will be dog less for a few years as we no longer have the time to devote to a younger dog but a black lab will always be at the top of my list.

punter · 22/09/2013 10:22

We have a one year old golden lab who is the sweetest, kindest dog you could meet now he has got over the jumping up at people bit. They love being with you and so are not happy if you are away for a while.
Just remember they are heavy dogs and they love sleeping on laps and leaning against you - 30kg can knock you over!
He has a gun dog dad so has the leaner look and can run like crazy! Still working on recall, they are so sociable they believe everyone else is too. We had a mongrel for 10 years before that, a Battersea boy, harder to train when you do not have the puppy stage to work with.

littlewhitebag · 22/09/2013 14:26

I have a 16 month yellow lab. She is the perfect dog at home. Never chews anything, doesn't counter surf and is a delight to be around. When out her recall is still not perfect - it's a work in progress. She is much too friendly for her own good.

I would say (but i am no expert) that you need to put the work in right away with training and also take your dog to classes as soon as possible.

As a family we adore our daft, beautiful, rascal of a dog.

FreddieStarrAteMyHamster · 22/09/2013 18:26

Some great stories, lots of food for thought, thanks everyone!

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FreddieStarrAteMyHamster · 22/09/2013 18:26

Can I ask how you found your breeders?

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Bowlersarm · 22/09/2013 18:37

I have two labs and they sound as different to the labs people are describing here as other dogs to be honest.

Their recall is pretty much perfect.

They don't chew.

My 5 year old boy dog has never humped anything in his life, not other dogs, legs, small children, furniture.Totally uninterested sex-wise.

My girl lab is a happy content gorgeous dog with immediate family but is very stressed when anyone else is in the house. Really not a people dog.

My boy dog would welcome cuddles from anyone and everyone.

Love them to bits and wouldn't change them for the world.

(Two different breeders I contacted through The Kennel Club)

theboutiquemummy · 22/09/2013 18:43

We have an enormous big lab n a newborn I can tell you he's the biggest softest lovely dog go for it

MaggieMaggieMaggieMcGill · 22/09/2013 18:57

I currently live with a lab who doesn't hump things, though does stick his knob out when meeting male people for the first time. He has a clear preference for my step dad but does love everyone else too.
He does not get water but will happily roll in dead things/fox poo.
He has chewed things, mostly books but no large items of furniture.
He was a rescue so we have no idea of hipscores etc. He is great fun, loves finding things though always goes to the last place you hid it.
He would probably retrieve balls until past the point of actual exhaustion!

SauvignonBlanche · 22/09/2013 19:38

Or Lab doesn't hump but is mad about water and very greedy!
Don't know anything about breeders, sorry, ours was a rescue dog.

littlemissnorty · 22/09/2013 19:49

We got our black lab from www.ridgewaylabradors.co.uk

He is gorgeous, greedy, fun, lovable and 8 years old now. He ate my dining room table at 12 months old!

JammieMummy · 22/09/2013 19:51

I have 2 labs and can say neither of them hump anything and are now lovely relaxed chilled out boys! but there was a lot of work required in the early days, as already said they take quite along time to mature and training classes are definitely a good idea. But with time and food you can get them to do almost anything.

I would say you need to look carefully at if you want a show or working breed as sometimes they can be so different you wouldn't think they were both labs!

I can leave mine along for up to about 8 hours but very rarely do it and only if they have had a nice long walk before hand, not because they eat anything but just for my own peace of mind. I would definitely suggest crate training as one of mine ate the plaster out of the walls and my real wood floor boards when he was a puppy! I used the crate for about 12-18 months with each of them and now I don't need it at all.

If you want a working lab then here is a good place to start looking.

alto1 · 22/09/2013 20:19

www.jimjoylabradors.co.uk Found them after lots of research. Our black lab bitch has lived up to their reputation - she has a wonderful temperament for a family dog. Loves everyone and everything; eager; never bothered by trains, fireworks or other noises. So good in the car we forget she's there sometimes.

She was hard work as a puppy because of the bounciness, it took sustained effort to stop her jumping up and tugging on the lead. But she loved training class as much as everything else and will do anything for liver cake.

She adores water, mud and fox poo, we have to hose her down or put her in the shower regularly. She loves being with us and is a keen student of our behaviour, quick to spot patterns - so if we're going out and not taking her, for example, she doesn't bother coming to the door.

She likes me to do 'round and round the garden' on her tummy.

Good friends also got a black bitch from Jimjoy after meeting ours and she's brilliant too.

Could go on all day...

FreddieStarrAteMyHamster · 22/09/2013 21:07

Thanks very much. What is the difference between working and show dog breeds?

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