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Are you a Greyhound, Whippet or Lurcher owner? Come and have a seat on yet another pointy hounds cushion!

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TheCunnyFunt · 08/09/2013 17:53

Pointy hounds include-
Greyhounds (Grunds)
Whippets (Whippys)
Lurchers
Italian Greyhounds (Iggys)
Salukis
Afghans
And any others I have forgotten. If you are a new pointy hound owner, an old and experienced owner or looking into getting one of these fabulous creatures, come and have a seat (that's not taken up with a hound ).

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Come The Day
Come the day I take that final bend,
Can I count on you to be my friend?
To see I?m treated just and fair,
It means so much to know you care.

For, what the future holds in store,
Now that I can race no more,
Should be addressed for every hound,
Who parts the punter from his pound.

Tell them I don?t ask for much,
A kindly word, a gentle touch,
Somewhere warm to lay my head,
A meal each day to keep me fed,
Not just life- but quality,
This is how it ought to be.

Do not see me swept away,
I long to live another day,
With peace of mind, tranquillity,
And those who care surrounding me,
So tell them all- you have that choice,
I beg of you to be my voice.

By Denise Dubarbier.

OP posts:
PeanutPatty · 29/10/2013 16:26

I walk virtually everyday with the children. It's a rare treat that I dog walk solo. Usually when we do walk there is always some kind of drama child related. My eldest starts preschool soon so that will really help. In terms of being approached by dogs, six days out of seven will will be approached. If most dogs are off lead that is not a controlled introduction is it? Plus a few are rude and bolt to us and the owners tend to do naff all a) cos they don't care b) cos their dog is friendly c) they haven't even noticed. Perhaps right dog wrong timing? I don't know.

mistlethrush · 29/10/2013 19:18

I've just measured mistlehound (last minute thundershirt search) and her measurements are somewhat unusual... She's just under 23" to the shoulder - about 27" long from shoulder blades to top of tail, with a 30" chest Grin

Perhaps this is why she doesn't win 'best put together lurcher' prizes?

mistlethrush · 30/10/2013 13:03

Peanut - what are you looking for in a dog - Pippi also sounds a lovely dog.

PatTheHammer · 30/10/2013 14:23

Right, getting excited now. Her tag came today in the post!

Starting to panic that we may not have everything in place and today was the last day to get anything till we get her on Saturday, as we are going away for 2 days thurs and fri before collecting her.

I have not got her a proper bed as such because I wanted to wait and see what she liked and/or measure her properly. I have a double duvet, folded into a single duvet cover, covered with a fleecy blanket. We have another old fleecey blanket too for her.

Do I need a proper bed? Or one of those big cushion things? So confusing as there are so many on the market. I know those plastic beds are not very comfortable for pointys.

PatTheHammer · 30/10/2013 14:24

I have a feeling that she is probably going to want to sleep mainly on my sofaWink

cinnamongreyhound · 30/10/2013 14:27

Dh loved Pippy mistlethrush but was told that she was too lively for small children. Other than the childminding I believe Peanutpatty is in the same situation as me, another dog, cat, small children and wants a dog to run with?

Not sure on length but peanut is 30-31" tts and has a 41" chest Shock

We don't have a plastic bed for ours PatTheHammer, just a folded duvet in a fleecy cover. Don't panic, you'll figure out what she likes and in an emergency supermarkets have loads of pets stuff :)

cinnamongreyhound · 30/10/2013 14:28

My first greyhound never go on the sofa, but she also rarely slept on her bed, just spread out in the middle of the floor!

PatTheHammer · 30/10/2013 14:31

We have a big rug in front of the fireplace in the living room, I guess that will also be an attractive place to stretch out!

mistlethrush · 30/10/2013 14:32

Mistlehound inherited Mistledog's bed - so there was a memory foam one (bought for Mistledog's arthritis) which she studiously ignored, a plastic basket in the kitchen that she either folds herself up small in (its got a blanket too) or sticks her legs out the front and her head over the side until it touches the ground and goes to sleep like that, a double duvet (folded in 4) in the hall which she uses when she wants to see in lots of rooms, a bed in our bedroom also a double duvet but in fleecy case - this one's now on top of the memory foam bed at the moment - and fleece blankets (easily washable) covering the sofa. Oh and the odd 1/4 duvet strewn around here and there just in case - these are great for putting in the car or the car boot and giving her somewhere she recognises as 'hers' if we're out.

mistlethrush · 30/10/2013 14:35

Cinammon - about the same proportion chest to leg as mistlehound then... I would be interested in his length in comparison - he would need to be about 36" to be similar proportions to mistlehound - measured from the middle of his shoulder blades.

cinnamongreyhound · 30/10/2013 16:49

Last time I trust dh! Peanuts chest is 33" and he's 27" from shoulder blades to bum.

mistlethrush · 30/10/2013 18:18

Gosh, mistlehound's chest isn't that much smaller than his - and she's the same length - but he's a lot taller! I always thought that mistlehound was unfeasibly long for her height Grin

PeanutPatty · 30/10/2013 18:24

Cinnamon is right wrt the dog I we are looking for. I think there is no option but to ask Cinnamon to hand Lola over. GrinWinkGrinWinkGrin

cinnamongreyhound · 30/10/2013 19:50

Today I will keep her but keep your eyes open for a day like one last week where she ate ds1's brand new skylander, shredded tissues across the floor and was relentlessly pulling on our 2hr walk!

mistlethrush · 31/10/2013 08:47

DS thought he might be able to dressing mistlehound up as Binky, given he's sporting his attempt at DEATH (a la TP) this morning - very much a 'junior' version though as he's got shorts on, albeit black ones. But he then thought that she wouldn't like it so gave up on that idea without inflicting anything on her (we wouldn't let him go OTT in any case!)

Hopefully thundershirt will arrive shortly - I hope it fits. Last night mistlehound went into the sitting room rather than coming up to bed immediately. I realised that she'd remembered the bag of tiny biscuits that she has been being fed every time there's a firework bang (it goes bang and we immediately say 'pop, pop' and then find a biscuit - sort of like specific clicker training - at the moment it seems to be working but there aren't too many at the moment!

moosemama · 31/10/2013 19:33

Hi folks.

Had to laugh, given it's halloween and when I looked at this thread before clicking we had 666 posts! Halloween Grin

Mistle, I'm reading Reaper Man at the moment and we re-watched The Hogfather the other day, so I now have a good picture of what your ds looks like. Halloween Grin

Pat, so pleased you have found a dog for your family. Can't wait for the photos. Halloween Smile

We have had a really busy week. Didn't make it to the coast, but have been somewhere different every day for long walks with the dogs, plus finally got around to introducing Pip to various friends and family who hadn't met him yet.

Both dogs now have their Pet Passports sorted and the vet was really pleased with how Pip is doing, having last seen him when he was still super skinny and just over his infection. He's looking really good now. Still super slim, but athletic looking, with a nice shiny coat and currently developing a traditional lurcher muscley bum! Halloween Grin

He is 21 weeks old now, 22" to the shoulder, 22" long and weighs 13.28 kg. Didn't measure his chest this time, but I think last time it was just a smidge more than his length and height. That's compared to Lurcherboy, who is 23" to the shoulder, but weighs 23kg. I guess that's the difference between Saluki, vs Deerhound heritage.

Took my entire brood of dcs and dogs to visit my sister today and was so proud of Pip and Lurcherboy. They both stayed at my feet, lay down and settled themselves to sleep almost as soon as we arrived and were good as gold the whole time we were there. Finally felt like I must be doing something right for them to be so easy to handle whilst visiting a pet-free household. The dcs were more trouble! Halloween Grin

Pip is coming on with his puppy classes now. Came out from behind my chair much quicker this week and actually joined in the training. Ok it was 'leave' which he had perfected at 11 weeks old, but it was lovely to see him able to concentrate on training and not just stand there worrying about the other dogs. He even managed to say hello to a few of them on the way out, huge progress from week 1.

He's also choosing to approach dogs out on walks now and although still very nervous and submissive with them, seems actively interested in interacting with dogs of all shapes and sizes. His whistle recall is awesome to see, which has really helped, as I can let him meet other dogs off-lead on his own terms and that makes him more relaxed, as he feels he can escape if he needs to.

Planning to surprise him next week with a couple of Fish4Dogs salmon mousse pouches intermittently when he recalls particularly fast. I am determined not to let his recall slide, not least of all because Lurcherboy seems to have totally forgotten his. Hmm

mistlethrush · 01/11/2013 08:18

How long is lurcher boy Moose - having same height to length sounds about right, but lurcherboy always looks quite long in pictures and I wonder whether his proportions are closer to those of Mistlehound - she's a similar height. She's HUGE compared with some of the dogs the same height as her in the under 23" races! (She's 22 and 3/4") (or I think she is - probably if there was a cat around she would be 23.5)

moosemama · 01/11/2013 10:22

Haven't measured him Mistle, but I'd say he's quite a bit longer than he is tall. I'll get the tape measure out later and check. I'd do it now but I doubt I'd be able to prise him out of his bed! Grin

Since having Pip Lurcherboy seems less Lurchery, iykwim. He's so heavy set and chunky by comparison. He's got enormous feet, bit thick legs and a really heavy Deerhoundy head.

I went back over his puppy thread on LL recently and there was some mention of Whippet as opposed to Grey on his father's side, but apparently the people who had the litter kept contradicting themselves. I think that's probably more likely, given his height. So that would make him Deerhound/Saluki (Mum) x Whippet/Border Collie.

mistlethrush · 01/11/2013 10:32

We picked mistlehound partly because she looked as though she had nice sturdy legs (and I thought that was sensible given DS)(not that he would hurt her on purpose but he is a bit clumsy and doesn't look where he's going)(digs pit a bit deeper) - actually looked at the italien grey hound adoption and decided we would be vetoed as the garden has too many 'things' and changes of level for them to cope with... mistlehound copes fine with leaping over things and dodging round things even when they move on and off.

She and the lurcher (also rough coated) she was kennelled with are both stockier, heavier set (and won't win any competitions)(but look lovely together!). I don't really see any wolfhound characteristics in her - but what would I know? And I really don't think there's collie in there as she's really not that clever. I really don't know!

moosemama · 01/11/2013 11:35

Everyone that meets Lurcherboy goes on about how beautiful he is. Part of that is obviously his colouring and deerhoundy face, but I think a bit part of it is his supersoft, obviously gentle, big, brown eyes. You can tell when you look into his face that he's not the brightest bulb in the box, but his gentle nature shines through and he seems to be able to melt the coldest heart with one look. Grin

I think he gained quite a bit of weight when we first got Pip, as I was struggling to find times when I could take just him for a proper good run. He's lost quite a bit over the past few weeks though and we're seeing a reappearance of his lurcher waist and thigh muscles.

I used to try and wear him out with the flinger, but as per the current thread on LL, was advised not to let him do too much of the jumping and handbrake turns, especially being so heavy set. Which is a shame, because he does love it. Fortunately we only need to fling it once now and he spends the rest of the time trying to outrun Pip! Grin

Just recently I have been mulling over what a massive responsibility dog ownership is and realised I'm always fretting about not doing something right, not doing enough of one thing or too much of another. I know it's daft, because I've had dogs for getting on for 25 years now and they've all been loved, happy and healthy, which is the most important thing. When I read things like the stuff on LL about developing fitness etc, I start worrying that I don't do enough.

This was reinforced at puppy class this week when I was told off for not teaching a separate cue for 'sit up' (as in when you're doing sit-down-sit-stand). Never mind that I missed last week's lesson because I was ill, so didn't know I was supposed to be doing it in the first place. Hmm I have had numerous dogs of my own and helped train several others over the years and have only ever bothered teaching a sit-up to dogs who were involved in obedience comps. My other dogs have always understood that if I say sit, I mean get yerself into the sit position and have done sit-down-sit-stand fine without a separate cue and Pip can do sit, down, stand in any order or combination no problem at all, without a blooming sit-up cue. Hmm

Basically I was taken into a different room by one of the assistants, to go over what I missed from last week's class. It didn't help that we'd just arrived and Pip had been really scared of the other dogs outside. I'd literally just got Pip settled in our area, slightly away from the other puppies and was then told to walk him past all the other dogs into the corridor. Obviously this unsettled him again and he was so worried about the proximity of other dogs and hearing them bark etc, just on the other side of a swinging door, that he was in no state to be 'performing'. All I really want from the class for him is socialisation and the trainer knows that. I was then made to reel completely incompetant, as she kept correcting my handling, telling me my timing was off etc, when in actual fact I was just concerned about Pip getting stressed by the other dogs, when I need him to be calm and reinforced for positive reactions and associations. I didn't want to reinforce him for being fearful. Not to mention I hate being watched, which is why I chose not to compete in obedience or htm. She acted as if I was a hopeless trainer and essentially told me I have to go backwards with Pip and teach him a new cue and hand-signal just for that, when he already sits if I tell him to 'sit' from a down. As if not teaching a sit-up was some sort of heinous crime which could be really detrimental to my dog. Hmm

I have done it. Took about 5 minutes to teach the new cue and hand-signal, but for some reason it's really annoyed me. Partly I suppose because it's just unnecessary when I have so many more important things to be working on with him and partly I think perhaps because I have approached his training from what skills I feel he needs to be a happy, well behaved pet dog. If I'd wanted him to be an obedience winner I'd have approached his training differently and pushed for more precision. The main trainer (and owner of the club) says you don't have to go for the certification (KC award) there's no test and you can just take what you want from the course, but the assistant seemed determined to make me jump through unnecessary hoops. I then noticed she was watching me from the other side of the room for most of the class. No doubt judging my poor handling, when a lot of the time I wasn't even attempting the exercises, but rather rewarding Pip for calmly watching or taking a step towards other dogs. Hmm Angry

It struck me that having dogs is like parenting. You can never get it right. There will always be someone willing to tell you you're doing it wrong and you should be doing x, y, z.

I should just let it wash over me I know, but I have a bee in my bonnet about it, as it's one of the reasons why so many people don't bother going to a class or asking for help and therefore, indirectly, the cause of a lot of unnecessary problems and stress for owners and even worse, dogs being abandoned or given up to rescue.

Scuttlebutter · 01/11/2013 12:40

Moose, i'm really sorry to hear that. It's so different from my own experience of dog training - I've only ever been to trainers who've been kind and supportive. I think if I had a trainer who made me feel stupid or taught cues that I didn't need, I wouldn't go back - life is too short. It helps a lot if the trainer is sighthound-friendly - for instance, when we go to class, we don't even try to do sit - I know some younger greys can do it, but our lovely oldies can't manage it, and I see no point in even forcing them to try. Our tutor is great - very supportive, nice sense of humour and genuinely interested in learning more about pointies. For instance, he came along for a nose to a recent sighthound playdate as he wanted to see what went on and was interested. We work in nice small groups/classes so there's plenty of flexibility for working on what interests us or what we specifically "need" rather than a cue that is no earthly use.

I hope anyone reading this isn't put off going to training classes - I've found it so beneficial in so many ways, and I'm not someone who's interested in competing in obedience etc. It's so immensely helpful in strengthening the bond with a new dog and I've also found it so useful in learning more about picking up signals/watching behaviour - simply better understanding my dogs. And of course, most importantly, life with a trained dog is simply so much nicer. Smile

mistlethrush · 01/11/2013 12:42

Grrrrr what a jobsworth!

Our problem is that mistlehound only found out that the words coming out of our mouth actually meant something several months into having her (when she actually started noticing that it was the same sound in the same tone of voice at the same cue) - and when she is asked to do something she doesn't always engage her brain and think what is being asked so will try anything in any combination until she gets the right one. Normally ending up asking for her tummy to be tickled. She definitely finds 'sit' a difficult concept when she's in a 'down' - so perhaps we should have a different sign and command? However, Pip sounds bright as a button and if he knows that 'sit' means 'sit' whenever you ask for it, why on earth should he have a second command that only comes after 'down' ??? What happens if he's on his side or upside down - does he need a different one for that too - perhaps you can ask them that next time Wink

I'm afraid I would be much more bolshy about the class and come out with 'Oh, Pip knows how to do a sit after a down anyway so we don't need a separate command that less able dogs might need, however, what we do need is the socialisation skills so if you can just let us get on with that it would be really helpful as I'm not intending to do obedience competitions with him so whilst I do need control I won't be doing this sort of thing - more agility and simulated coursing and other lurcher-appropriate events I would think - so really the key aim of my being here is socialisation'

Would need a bit of work - but stress the socialisation, general but not obedience-competition control etc...

Don't doubt yourself.

BTW did you see that awful CM (second name = Italian city) thing on facebook - it was him getting bitten by a lab - with the dog's body language commented upon in the video - the dog was doing everything it could to avoid the conflict and he pushed it all the way.

mistlethrush · 01/11/2013 12:45

Scuttle - I agree - I went to a super sighthound training event run by Jim Greenwood - he really looks at the signs your dog is giving off and helps you to understand them.

mistlehound can do 'sit' (although it takes her bottom a long time to realise that her brain is asking it to lower itself to the ground) - but when we're waiting to cross roads etc I always ask her to wait, not sit - then 'cross now'. I think a good class would be nice - just finding the right one!

IsisOhIsis · 01/11/2013 12:58

Hi all, so, I've got my beautiful boy, he came yesterday and we love love love him! He's fab, very pleased to see us, trots after me from room to room, not too manic with dd, doesn't jump up or pull on the lead, saw a few cats on his walk this morning but didn't do more than prick his ears up. BUT! He's been chewing. His bed is in the kitchen and I closed the door so he was shut in last night. I came down and he'd pulled everything off the pinboard and chewed it up plus a bag of flour!! And I've been out for a couple of hours this morning and come home to all the poop scoop bags in tiny bits! Now, obviously this will be a bit of a learning curve for me, needing to move things out of his reach, but how do I deal with it? Do I tell him off for the mess? Give him more things to do (he has food, water, tots and his bed in there) or what? He whines when I leave the room so I think he wants company but obviously he will need to get used to being left for short periods. Is this just because he's settling in? I feel like I should get on top of it but also want to give him a break since its clearly a huge transition for him.
Otherwise he's settling in really well, he's not been freaked out at household life, already responding to me telling him to go to his bed, doesn't try and shoot out of the door when its opened etc (useful last night with the trick or treaters! Anyway, sorry for the me me me post. Would really appreciate some advice of anyone has any

moosemama · 01/11/2013 13:50

The lady who runs the club is very nice and says it's up to us whether or not we follow the programme. It's this one assistant that seems to have locked her targets on me.

It would help if the trainer knew more about sighthounds, but she is willing to listen and learn. She did a collar check in the first lesson and told me Pip's collar was too tight. I explained that is isn't, but being a sighthound he can easily slip a collar over his head, which is why I usually have him on a harness - but the class rules say flat collars only, so no martingales. She did accept my explanation though and I was proven right when he panicked going out the door and almost slipped his collar.

It's a clicker class, so the training itself is all very positive. It's just quite remedial for Pip, because I started with him when he arrived with us at 10 weeks and he's almost 22 weeks now - and the oldest puppy in the class.

I used to go to a club up in Lancashire and we had such a lot of fun, whilst really bonding with our dogs and learning a lot about dog behaviour. I really wish I could find something like that here. There are two other clubs, but both sell chain check collars and that was enough to put me off. One is also outdoor in a particularly windswept field as well, which didn't exactly appeal through the winter months.

I wouldn't bother if it weren't for Pip's need for socialisation - and the unfortunate fact that we have to have proof of attending a puppy class course as part of Pip's adoption agreement. Hmm

Pip does sit, but it's a bit more of a hover than a bum of the floor job! Grin

Didn't see the CM thing Mistle. I can't bear to look at anything that man does. Angry