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Should you 'mirror' other owners?

179 replies

WinkyWinkola · 13/05/2013 09:20

I walk my dog (black lab) in a field. Occasionally there are other dogs there. He likes to greet the other dogs and run with them. If they aren't interested he leaves them alone.

Today he ran up ti golden retriever on a lead. I got told off by the owner because her dog was on a lead(had been attacked before) and was nervous so my dog should be on a lead.

Is this right? My dog bounced up to hers, hers lunges and growled and my dog runs back to me and goes back again and then leaves her dog alone to come with me.

Apparently dog owners mirror others.

OP posts:
tabulahrasa · 13/05/2013 16:40

My dog's perfectly lovely, he's just young and ill... but if you're happy that you've caused someone else's dog pain just because you can't be bothered stopping your dog from saying hello - then no I suppose it's not your problem. Hmm

ExitPursuedByABear · 13/05/2013 16:42

Yep that's me, one big cliche

tabulahrasa · 13/05/2013 16:43

'I have never said that I let my dog run up to leashed dogs.'

Then what are you arguing about? It's been said more than once that the issue is not whether you leash a dog or not, but whether it comes over... If an off lead dog is minding it's own business nowhere near mine, that's not a problem.

ExitPursuedByABear · 13/05/2013 16:44

And what you said is that you try to keep your dog away from on lead dogs, not that you do.

Hth

HoneyDragon · 13/05/2013 17:15

I have a Labrador. The Tim Nice but Dims of the Canine world who take a while to learn boundaries. The most forgiving and lovely dog owners, are the ones with fear reactive dogs.

Because I have fucked up when training, Of course I have, I've not spotted someone approaching a short cut in a hedge before HullyPup has heard them. These owners are the ones who when she doesn't recall immediately, simply comfort their dog whilst I run madly in the general direction of AWAY till she recalls.

They accept my apologies with good grace, and empathy.

Not like other owners that shout, oh she's fine, give her treats and fuss, and reward and encourage her to behave badly on another occasion.

Usually they are also happy to walk and chat with me once both our dogs are leashed, and I have made some nice hound slave friends this way to walk the fields with. Smile

And if you have a 100% bombproof dog who can walk to heel off lead with no distractions than other dogs on or off lead are not an issue as they won't approach them.

If they will approach them for a sniff than you don't have a perfectly trained dog and you need to lose a lead.

As far as the law and insurance companies are concerned, you dog is controlled if it is on a lead. If it is off lead it is not. So for everyone's sake its easier simply to pop a dog on the lead for two minutes.

ClartyCarol · 13/05/2013 17:18

Bloody hell, she's not going to give up.

ClartyCarol · 13/05/2013 17:21

Oh. Posted that before I saw she's gone to take her dog out to pester some poor sod who wants to be left alone.

moosemama · 13/05/2013 17:54

Lurcherboy is have somewhat of a recall regression since we lost oldgirl. He's missing having a canine playmate and wants to say hello to every dog we meet - but, I don't allow him to.

If another dog is off lead near us and the owner doesn't put him/her on the lead when they see us approaching, there is usually some sort of eye contact, head-nod and smile type signal between owners that confirms it's ok to let him play. If I read any other body language from dog or owner I don't let lurcherboy approach.

It's actually quite funny at the moment, as having changed dog-walking times I keep coming across the same few dog-walkers, but we always seem to be equally spaced out around the field and just that bit too far for both owners to be near any playing, iyswim. So, we are all keeping our dogs loose, but close, despite the fact that all indications are that the dogs will probably place nicely if they ever get close enough to meet. Once we have met them and allowed the dogs to play, I will still check with the owner if it's ok for my dog to play with theirs, as you never know when a dog may be having an off day, might have had a bad experience with another dog or is ill or injured etc.

It's not easy with him being canine pal deprived just at the moment, as his motivation to play with other dogs is so high, that it is almost trumping his usual rewards. So, I have to watch his body language carefully and if I see him even think about approaching an on-lead dog, or anything else inappropriate, I have to put him on the lead for a few seconds until we've passed whatever is catching his attention.

I think it's important to remember that dogs cannot behave or communicate naturally when restricted by a lead and therefore many otherwise perfectly friendly dogs can react badly to being approached on-lead by an over enthusiastic dog. The on-lead dog is unable to give off clear enough body language and/or escape the other dog's advances, so they resort to the only option they have. If you just ask the other dog owner if their dog would like to play, then your dog can enjoy meeting and playing with theirs without anyone needing to worry.

I think someone upthread asked how you get your dog to recall when they want to play with another dog. The answer is through lots of hard work and training, plus finding some way to make yourself as interesting as you can - hopefully more interesting than their potential playmate - not an easy task. In our case we have squeaky toys that are their top-grade rewards and they are only allowed to play with on very select occasions. One squeak of their respective toys and they are back like a shot for the rare chance to play with their beloved toy. It's a case of finding out what most motivates your dog in particular, for some it may be food, for others toys/games. It's also important to remember not to try free-running recall in the park etc until your pup has gone through the stages of developing a bombproof recall in the home and garden, where there are less distractions. Then you need to up the ante to more distractions, but in a secure, controllable environment, before moving on to off-lead in public parks etc.

I would also highly recommend training the instant down, as not only can it save your dog's life if, for example, they are running towards traffic, but it is also an invaluable way of stopping them getting themselves into all manner of hot-water, including approaching on lead dogs. Lurcherboy actually responds better to the instant down than the recall at the moment, so I am able to use that to stop him approaching leashed dogs if necessary.

Branleuse · 13/05/2013 18:44

kittens you are not the op. Why have you hijacked the thread to be about you?

OwlLady · 13/05/2013 18:51

I always put my dogs on lead if approaching owners on theirs on them. i have always done this. My parents did the same
hth

BeerTricksPotter · 13/05/2013 18:58

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ExitPursuedByABear · 13/05/2013 19:01

I know beer. I still waiting to find out how that works

HoneyDragon · 13/05/2013 19:19

You take a folding box with you. Then when they have done something doggyish, you mount them on the box in the manner of a sea lion trainer.

Then you ask them to think about what they've done.

ExitPursuedByABear · 13/05/2013 19:21
Grin
D0oinMeCleanin · 13/05/2013 19:21

Honey Grin

Whippy is scared of boxes, can I bring a hula hoop and
have a naughty circle instead?

BeerTricksPotter · 13/05/2013 19:26

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littlewhitebag · 13/05/2013 19:28

Oh my how this debate has raged while i was at work. It was a very interesting read! I also feel bad for all the dogs my lab has bounded up to when they were on leads. Her recall is better but not so good that i can immediately recall her and pop her lead on when a brand new dog is on the horizon. More work required in this doggie home.

I am loving the idea of putting her on the naughty 'step' 'box' 'hula hoop' and explaining to her what she did wrong then waiting for her to say sorry and give me a hug big wet lick

pigsDOfly · 13/05/2013 19:31

Yes well the idea that 'my dog should be allowed to do as it likes' seems to be well and truly alive in my nearest park.

I was told off the other day by some idiot owner for bringing a ball to the park to throw for my dog when his out of control dog decided to jump all over me in an attempt to take the ball out of my hand.

I fear there are many owners with kitten's attitude. Perhaps next time I come across this annoying dog and his owner I'll suggest he pops his doggie on the 'naughty step' for a little 'time out', god help us.

HoneyDragon · 13/05/2013 19:32

I have been teaching Hully to jump through a hoop. However it's dds hoop and she's only 3. So it's 3 year old sized. Hully is 28k Labrador sized. If we hold it too high she jumps through it but it gets stuck on her arse end.

This results in 5 minutes painful confusion as she simultaneously tries to eat her treat, work out where the hoop disappeared to and why she can't sit down properly. Every single time.

It's awesome Grin

BeerTricksPotter · 13/05/2013 19:41

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tabulahrasa · 13/05/2013 19:46

Mine isn't allowed up steps...do I need to carry a naughty ramp?

BeerTricksPotter · 13/05/2013 19:50

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HoneyDragon · 13/05/2013 20:05
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CatelynStark · 13/05/2013 20:17

I walk my Staffie on the moor and only let him run off lead if there are no other dogs in sight.

I immediately put him on the lead if any dog comes near as he forgets all of his recall training in the excitement. I just can't trust him to come back when I call him, plus, as he's a Staffie and therefore obviously a slavering pyscho Hmm, if there's a fight, he's going to be the one who will get the blame! He will never start a fight, but I reckon he could finish it!

I've lost count of the number of people who allow their dogs to bounce all over mine when he's on lead. My 4 stone boy gets very excited as he's really friendly and playful, so I get dragged all over the place which annoys me no end.

People who let their dogs run up to on lead dogs want their fucking bumps felt - it's totally moronic!!

KittensoftPuppydog · 13/05/2013 20:34

He he he
My dog's the well trained good one.
I feel sorry for you lot, your walks must be very dull. Ours are fab.
Please see my post above. Tired of repeating myself. Still not going to leash my dog because you can't control yours.
Btw, I'm guessing that you guys are all fans of crating too. No wonder your dogs are fucked up.