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13 1/2 year old dog, mammary cancer but not sure she can cope with surgery

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moosemama · 04/03/2013 19:40

She developed a fairly significant lump sometime between the beginning of December and mid January. It's about 4 cm long by 2.4 wide.

Vet did bloods first and said they came back with no indication of anything sinister, although she is apparently mildly anaemic. She then had a fine needle biopsy done last week and we've just got the results.

"Insufficient sample, no clear indication of malignancy, but spindle cells present." Confused

Vet says she wants to just go straight ahead and remove it, but my poor old girl is almost deaf, doesn't have good sight and has developed late onset separation anxiety as a result. She has never coped well with inpatient procedures at the vets anyway and I'm really worried about how she would handle an op.

Complicating things are my own hang-ups arising from a monumental mishandling of my beloved boy's cancer years ago. They fluffed the biopsy - came back 'contaminated cells' so no clear cancer type identified. I had asked them to aspirate the regional lymph-node and they contaminated that as well. They insisted it was 'mast cell' - I was conversing with a vet online that said it sounded scarily like fibrosarcoma to him and that if it was, they shouldn't excise but amputate, as excision was likely to lead to accelerated growth (they couldn't get wide enough clean margins, as it was located on his hock).

Vet (actually a retired vet locum drafted in to cover small animal practice during the foot and mouth crisis) insisted I was making a fuss about nothing, removed the tumour and within months it was back, twice the size and growing rapidly, ultimately rupturing. In the meantime our dog went went from a nearly 9 stone hulk of gorgeous boy to skin and bone in just a couple of weeks. Sad At that point the head vet of the practice got involved and finally admitted that the original vet should have listened to me in the first place. They wanted to get him straight in to amputate - sedated him for xrays to check for metastases, but it was too late. Every organ in his body had been invaded and we had to take the decision not to wake him. We lost him when my first dc was just 10 days old. Sad It was fibrosarcoma, they had failed to remove it all and caused the rapid development in growth, end result, we lost him much sooner than we should have. Sad

So, as you can imagine, I was more than a little Hmm Angry to find yet another biopsy cock-up ten years later and several hundred miles away from the previous vets.

I have just tried to google, but don't have enough info to go on. From what I've read though, there is a chance, albeit small, that this tumour could also be fibrosarcoma and although they could get wider margins, I don't want to put my girl through the same torture that my lovely boy went through all those years ago, only to lose her in a few months anyway. I would rather keep her comfy and happy for as long as we can, iyswim.

Am I letting my heart rule my head here? I can't seem to make logical sense of it all and I desperately want to do the right thing by her. Sad

Any thoughts, advice would be really appreciated.

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needastrongone · 06/04/2013 21:21

Our puppy has recently had an eye injury. Three lots of tablets and 4 sets of eye drops to take four times a day. That bit I can definitely sympathise with!

Your poor other dog. It's such a tough time you are having. Glad she's home and comfortable though.

moosemama · 07/04/2013 11:38

Gosh, three lots of pills and eye drops for a pup. That must have been tough going.

Well, she had a good night, slept right through and was still snoring - loudly - at 9.00 am.

She woke up when dh took our other dog out, had some chicken and her meds then went outside and brought us her ball on a rope to chase! Came back in, went back to bed, then got up again to beg for the apple and pear cores when dh was making the dcs porridge.

She's been a bit whiny in the last half hour, but I think that's her meds kicking in and making her feel strange.

Am feeling a little better that I made the right decision now, as she is still full of life, despite her leg.

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RedwingWinter · 07/04/2013 16:56

I'm so sorry it has turned out this way, moosemama. You are doing what you think is right for her, and that's what matters. Things might change slowly or quickly and you'll have to monitor on a day-by-day basis - but she is with an owner who loves her and has her best interests at heart, and I don't think a dog can ask for more. I hope she can enjoy her last days or weeks with you. Lots of hugs.

moosemama · 25/04/2013 16:49

Well we were very lucky have had her for another 3 weeks. She was settled and comfortable on her meds for that long.

We saw the vet on Monday and agreed to have her chest xrayed, because her breathing seemed a little odd and she had been coughing. Vet said at the time that she was happy that she was comfortable and there was no urgency.

Tuesday she was much more restless, more coughing and since then has been less keen to get out of her bed to go out. This morning she didn't even get up when I picked up her harness and lead.

Took her in for her xray first thing and when we arrived the vet said she felt the bad leg was unstable, which it hadn't been when we last saw her on Monday.

They were hoping to do the xrays with her awake rather than put her through a GA, but in the end had to sedate her.

Xray showed lots of lung mets and that she'd sustained a pathological fracture to her bad leg. It would only have taken a slight knock or twist with her bone as badly damaged as it was by the tumour.

The vet gave her an injection of painkillers and kept her sedated and Dh came straight home from work. We both held her while they put her out of her pain at half past twelve this morning. Sad

It's been a long hard day and our other dog has covered the kitchen in slobber through the stress of being on his own at home for the first time ever in his life. He was howling really loud when we arrived home. We took him for a long walk this afternoon and he's calmer now, but very sad. He's spent the last three weeks trying every trick in the book to get into her memory foam bed, but today he hasn't tried to get in there once, even though it's empty. He's a sensitive soul and I think he's likely to be the type of dog that grieves, we are probably going to have to do a lot of work to get him through this.

Unfortunately he was also rushed into the vets on Monday, as he was dripping blood. He had lots of tests and checks and it seems it's his prostate. Fortunately his urinanalysis didn't throw up anything worrying and his symptoms seem to have stopped since he's been on meds. He has to go back in a week.

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finickypinickity · 25/04/2013 17:01

((((Moose)))) thats so sad. I'm sorry to hear she has gone.

I dont have any pearls of wisdom but wanted to send you a big hug. I dont care if its mumsnet and not allowedSad

moosemama · 25/04/2013 17:10

Thank you finickypinickity. Hugs very much appreciated today. Sad

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CarpeVinum · 25/04/2013 17:18

Oh sweetheart.

I so very very sorry.

I'm a bit damp cos ...well your love for her is so evident, and despite the dignity and restraint in your writing, the pain is very clear.

Big fat hug. For and for your poor boy who misses his friend.

moosemama · 25/04/2013 17:57

Thank you CarpeVinum.

I feel odd, disconnected and there is a horrible painful emptiness in the pit of my stomach.

Dh has taken dd to the supermarket to buy something easy for tea and my boys are having their computer time, so it's the first time I've been alone all day and it's really starting to hit home now.

Currently hiding in the living room because I can't face seeing her empty bed.

She was such a lovely sweet soul. Never showed a second of nastiness in the whole of her life, despite being constantly itchy due to the malassezia. I honestly thought she was going to be one of those dogs that lived to ridiculously old age, getting scruffier and smellier, but happy to amble through her days. Can't believe how wrong I was. Sad

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Scuttlebutter · 25/04/2013 18:11

Moose, the news I'd dreaded but expected. Sad I am so very, very sorry - and am also sending you a big hug, and a pile of tissues, and a stiff gin.

It's utterly, utterly miserable when we lose them - I'm not going to give you any of the stuff about remembering the good days because it is too soon and too raw for that. You loved her deeply and cared very much . Just hope you all get the support and love you need over the next few days and weeks.

moosemama · 25/04/2013 18:42

Thank you.

I could do with a gin to be honest.

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penny76 · 24/04/2018 21:23

just come across this thread we are going through the same with our 12 year old gsd her tumour has ulcerated and burst i am changing her dressings quite often it is absolutely breaking my heart we have had her from 8 week old little bundle of fluff and she is very much a part of our family love her so much she has not passed yet but i am grieving every day and finding it very hard to deal with ending most days crying

Myminiandme · 11/03/2020 21:13

Moosemama I've just come across this thread and I want to thank you for opening your heart to us and sharing such a heartbreaking experience.
One of my little rescue girls (age 9 or 10, not too sure) had a large lump and a small lump 2 weeks ago. Both lumps are close to a nipple, with one nipple leaking occasionally.
The vet measured them both and were returned today to measure again... not much change in the 2, but I am shocked that another large spongy lump has appeared in her armpit.

Vet wants to operate next week to remove all the lumps.
My girl does not see very well, can't hear much and is very anxious when separated from me.

I can't bear for her to suffer even for a few hours. Her first 6 years were spent in a cage as a breeding machine on a hell hole puppy farm. She has been loved and cherished for 3 and a half years with us since we're adopted her.
She is my darling angel.
I can't bear the heartache of losing her.
Your experience has really resonated with me and I've just talked about it with hubby. He's taken our other two out for a walk and to have a cry on his own in the dark streets.
I think I'm leaning towards cancelling the operation and opting for palliative care for her.

We have to make the decision before next Tuesday.

Thank you again, you've given me an option that I had not considered.
Deb x

Myminiandme · 11/03/2020 21:20

Penny76 the grieving is almost unbearable. It started the moment I found the first lump and realised we were probably on very borrowed time.
Every day that she's with us is a gift but also the grief is there.

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