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Unpredictable dogs around baby-sorry long post!

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WhyohWhyCantIThinkofaFabName · 24/02/2013 23:38

I would be really grateful for some sound opinions on a huge concern I have with SIL's lack of concern and safety her and her DH are showing regards contact with their newborn. It's causing us family members to have sleepless nights as the concerns we raise are met with excuses and mocking because we don't have dogs and therefore don't understand dog behaviour!!
I want to make it clear this isn't a dog bashing at all...it's SIL and her DH that are the issue.
A little back ground...they now have 4 dogs...the 2 that give me most concern are the younger 2 aged 3&2yrs but I also don't trust the other 2. Prior to baby arriving the dogs had been known to attack other dogs when out walking (and indeed had bitten a human visitor)..the dog that bites would wear a muzzle for a bit then they would decide it was fine again and not bother...queue further attacks and same thing goes on.
The dogs have not been trained very well at all..they leap all over the place(up on the back of the sofa) and were sleeping in SIL bed until baby arrived. They jump all over you out of nowhere knock tea flying out of your hand, they have whacked into the moses basket whilst having a mad run through the front room almost knocking it over..they leave scratches and bruises where they constantly jump up etc.

Baby has now arrived and whilst they now limit the dogs from going upstairs the house is chaotic. The dogs howl and bark constantly (including during the night...presumably because they are pissed off at being left downstairs?) and are awful when people arrive...and recently this has turned into big dog fights between them on a really regular basis (within 15mins 2 big fights took place...all the time the baby is in the room)..both SIL and her DH have been bitten by them when they have intervened as has their friend when she looked after them and a fight took place. They don't walk the dogs daily and I think some of the behaviour is down to this...And the lack of training. The younger 2 are working type dogs and often just get let out in the garden for a pee.
They chew loads of things in the home and have eaten several shitty nappies recently!! They allow the dogs to lick the baby on the mouth (yes I'm aware that it's said they are more hygienic than humans) but I can't help but sick in my mouth when I see it happen...but also I'm really worried that one of them will bite her....They let them run through the room whilst she is laying on the floor. Every attack, bite etc is blamed on either the way the other dog owner acted when their 4 dogs pelted towards her little dog and started fighting it, or the dog was stressed because it was on a lead and loads of other excuses. When I said it was so risky as they were unpredictable I was met with 'the fact they do it all the time means they are not unpredictable'!!
Sorry for such a huge message...if you got this far thanks!!
So please can someone tell me...are we all over reacting?? Or should we rest assured that they have everything under control and little one will be safe...I wouldn't feel half as bad if they themselves acknowledged the risk and were concerned and were trying to deal with the behaviour but they really aren't.

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Floralnomad · 25/02/2013 00:02

TBH it sounds like a disaster waiting to happen ,but god knows what you can do about it . You are definitely not over reacting .

VeetorWax · 25/02/2013 00:13

TBH sounds like a disaster in the making. If you are really serious you need to get someone official to get on to it. Hopefully the health visitor will see the danger and act. We have one dog who has always been lovely and adores the DCs but would never allow them to become too close or be alone together. Dogs are animals and are capable of terrible things, we just don't always believe it. 4 dogs have a pack mentality - something certainly needs to be done.

LadyTurmoil · 25/02/2013 00:15

This sounds like a tragic tabloid headline waiting to happen. I don't know if there is anything you can do about it, if they won't listen to your concerns. I don't think you're over-reacting either, any chance they would listen more to your parents if they had a word? I presume that her DH is your brother (have I got that right?) Could you have a word with him on your own, would he be more receptive? I can only think that you could emphasise that you are purely worried about baby's safety, what they hell do they say when it's a proven fact that the dogs have already bitten THEM? At the very least, try and get them to exercise the dogs more, so they're not so frenetic.

tabulahrasa · 25/02/2013 00:22

In defence of the dogs, chewing, eating nappies and howling - while they're unwanted behaviours are not really worrying, just what unwatched untrained dogs will do. Licking is a personal thing - it is usually a good sign in that it's affectionate though.

Attacking dogs is not the same as attacking people...but, there's loads of potential in the situation you're describing for the baby to be hurt and quite badly. Dogs in a fight - even if they wouldn't normally bite easily do so by accident and if she's there on the floor near them when one breaks out...

And of course even being jumped on by accident could hurt her quite badly.

Again, I really don't know what you can do about it though?

gymmummy64 · 25/02/2013 10:14

I echo everyone else - it sounds like an awful accident waiting to happen. Allowing 4 poorly trained dogs to run free in a room with a baby on the floor is neglect in my opinion. I can't believe many people would allow that even with 4 beautifully behaved dogs.

Why do they have 4 dogs? Dogs need exercising daily, especially young working dogs. Your ILs seem to be failing in their duty of care not only to their baby but to their dogs too. Is there a line you can take about having too much on their plate and maybe considering rehoming?

If you are able to make contact, I would agree the HV seems the best place to start to get your concerns taken seriously if no one in the family is able to make them take notice.

gymmummy64 · 25/02/2013 10:24

I echo everyone else - it sounds like an awful accident waiting to happen. Allowing 4 poorly trained dogs to run free in a room with a baby on the floor is neglect in my opinion. I can't believe many people would allow that even with 4 beautifully behaved dogs.

Why do they have 4 dogs? Dogs need exercising daily, especially young working dogs. Your ILs seem to be failing in their duty of care not only to their baby but to their dogs too. Is there a line you can take about having too much on their plate and maybe considering rehoming?

If you are able to make contact, I would agree the HV seems the best place to start to get your concerns taken seriously if no one in the family is able to make them take notice.

pigsDOfly · 25/02/2013 14:19

The whole situation is not acceptable and highly dangerous. Sounds to me as if they are not coping and probably wouldn't admit it. Everyone telling them that what they're doing is dangerous is just making them defensive.

IMO you need to get the HV or another authority figure involved, as others have said. This baby is at serious risk of injury. The dogs have already bitten adults and will see the baby as prey. Sorry to sound so alarmist, but you need to act before the baby is harmed.

Having four dogs, especially working dogs, in the average house is not a good idea, unless the owners are willing to walk them several times a day and they are exceptionally well trained.

And no, dogs' mouths are not clean, letting them lick the baby's mouth is disgusting.

Imsosorryalan · 25/02/2013 22:54

Maybe you could show them this thread?

LadyTurmoil · 25/02/2013 23:10

I am highly sceptical about getting involvement of health visitor but hopefully I'm wrong and they will have a strong word with them. What about your/her parents talking to them? I can't believe they are too happy about the possible danger to their grandchild?? Not that the dogs are intrinsically bad but 4 running around, behaviour as you described, it just sounds chaotic, unsupervised, unhygienic and plain dangerous. They are being completely irresponsible and showing a complete disregard for their child's safety.

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