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Quick question re crates in daytime. Purleeze!

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needastrongone · 22/12/2012 15:59

We have our lovely and adorable Springer with us and have done since Sunday, he has settled in beautifully and we love him to pieces, especially DH, who was the least keen on getting a dog and now talking of another puppy in a year or so!!

He is doing really well in pretty much all areas, has a 'potty spot' outside, hardly chewed us (with diversion etc), is soft as they come. Sits and waits at the door, knows sit already etc.

DH and I differ slightly re the crate during the day so I thought that I would ask you guys. Oh, we haven't left him at all yet apart from at night and popping in and out of the kitchen but coming back quite quickly. He's fine, especially if diverted with a toy.

Currently, Harry sleeps in the kitchen where we are during the day, either in his bed or under the breakfast bar, wherever etc. He doesn't go into his crate for a nap, although he gets his meals in there etc.

At night, DH slept on the floor with him for the first 4 nights (I have had noravirus but that's another story). Thursday night we left him and he slept in his crate from 9pm (he was zonked) until 5.15, when I got up and took him outside, we didn't go back to bed, he was whining for the toilet but not outright barking) Last night was around 10.30pm until 5.40 am. No complaints, we are happy with this, he's only 9 weeks. DH got up this morning but made sure he went into the kitchen and pottered just for a minute or two. Then toilet for Harry and up for the day.

I have been clickering during the day with the crate, throwing treats in, backing off, going in and out of rooms etc. I also have given him a Kong (just for the crate) and today he hardly noticed me as I pottered in and out. However, he did whine eventually and sat at the door. I didn't let him out immediately, rather opening the door when he was sitting quietly. He jumped out and fell asleep in his basket.

Today, he had a long sleep in the kitchen and I am fairly sure he will have woken up at some point when we were not there but settled again.

So, there are no negative associations with the crate. However, that said, I am fairly sure he will not like it if we leave him alone in it. I would prefer he is in the crate until chewing stage over tbh.

DH thinks he's clearly settling beautifully and very secure. He is, I agree.

I wonder though, after 5/6 days, whether we should bite the bullet and leave him? DH thinks, no, although understands I will have to leave him at some point and he will have to get used to it, but will know we are coming back.

Trouble is, it's Xmas and we are around most of the day tbh.

Not really sure where I am going with this lol but wondered what you guys think? I am a bit of an over thinker but worried it will be a 'mare in the New Year!!

End of essay!

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needastrongone · 22/12/2012 16:10

Oh btw, DH has never read a bloomin book in his life about dogs, just is so relaxed and chilled and wings it!

I, on the other hand...................................... Smile

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Cuebill · 22/12/2012 17:06

I would not have a basket and a crate - just a really cosy crate. if he is going in his basket more it is probably the location of the basket rather than he hates his crate.

We are all different but I would be leaving him on his own for very short periods of time whilst he is a puppy. eg when you have your shower pop him into the crate shut the door and leave him. Come back after a brief time, wait for him to be calm and open the crate door.

Another good time to settle him is have a play, give him his meal, out to toilet and back in crate for a chill time - sometimes leave the room sometimes stay in the room but get him used to chilling in the crate.

I hate generalisations but some spaniels can be quite clingy and getting him used to being left is a good idea. Reading between the lines it sounds like he will be left once the holiday time is over.

littlewhitebag · 22/12/2012 17:10

We got our pup in the summer when both DD were around all the time so she was hardly ever left alone but i made them go out for short periods to get her used to being in her crate. We can now leave her safely for about 3 hours (she is 7 mths now). She also sleeps in her closed crate at night. I think it is well worth getting them used to their crates early as you won't always be around all day.

PartridgeInASpicyPearTree · 22/12/2012 18:39

Like Cuebill says, get him used to it from now. Even leaving the house for a few mins when you don't need to so he gets used to the locking up routine etc. Our pup is four months and is happy for up to two hours now as long as he's been fed, walked etc. as we started getting him used to it straight away. You've had him a very short time, and whilst it's great you are so positive, trust me it will soon get wearing if you can't leave him at all! It's also in his best interests that he learns to be apart from you without anxiety.

needastrongone · 22/12/2012 19:45

Thanks all.

Glad I wrote this down, sometimes it's the bleedin' obvious that needs stating!

I have taken the basket away and lifted the covers off the crate (will put them back on at night, our kitchen is dual aspect and very very light, even in winter. We had covered it with towels etc to make it den like. Puppy has gone straight into the crate and to his basket, currently, wrestling with a teddy.

I hadn't considered that he couldn't see us before so was coming out of his crate to see us. Now he can, it seems he's voluntarily choosing to be in there!

Doh!.

No that there might not be a few moans when we leave him but....

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needastrongone · 22/12/2012 20:10

Cuebill - thanks for the practical advice, twas appreciated. He will be left in the New Year, not for mega periods or anything (I only work 12 hours, some from home), but life is life, and he will have to be left for short periods so needs to get used to it.

Jajas - agree, the crate is great, they are bloody ugly things though aren't they?!

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Cuebill · 22/12/2012 21:46

needastrongone totally understand that dogs need to be left, sorry if it seemed I was implying you were leaving him for hours and hours - I did not mean that at all
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WTFwasthat · 23/12/2012 08:23

i left pup for about an hour whilst food shopping at first, crated, cosy, fed, watered, toiletted etc. He was fine but i ditched the crate after about a month as he seemed far happier under the worktop! He would drag an item of clothing, a slipper, anything sift and lay on it under there! Now i go out for up to 2 hours ( pup is 5 mths now) without any probs. My only casualty was the bottom stair carpet but to be fair i hadn't walked him before going out so my fault really. Good luck, it sounds like your pup will love his crate, mine wasn't so keen!

needastrongone · 23/12/2012 11:55

Cuebill - I knew what you meant Smile. Written word is harder to understand than spoken isn't it sometimes?

Bit of a rougher night in that he did sleep a lot yesterday for some reason, then wanted to get up at 4am! I let him out for a wee and had to be quite firm with him to eventually get him back to sleep, which he did until 7am, although I then didn't!

Wasn't cruel or mean or physical or anything but quite stern.

He's been out in the garden this morning, then I took him for a walk round the block, in my arms. All the new sights and smells have wiped him out, he went straight to his crate. He saw me lock it and walk out the room but was too tired to care!

Maybe that's the key then, get them really tired (in addition to fed and watered etc)?

Also, he's fine with his collar and doesn't bother at all but I tried his lead today and he either chewed it or tried to escape it! I clicked and treated him to sit a few times, which he did and took off after a few minutes.

Will consult my Gwen Bailey (and other) books but any tips appreciated tooSmile

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needastrongone · 23/12/2012 12:24

God, just read my post, that sounds awful!! I was just firm in the end rather than softly softly. Hope it doesn't sound like I was cruel? I love him to pieces!

Also, is it normal to want wish for the 'injection period' to be over so that we can establish a routine more i.e walk in morning, training, sleep, me go to work or out, home, food, walk, training sleep etc?

Sounds like I am wishing his life away, just feel rather like I did with the newborn DC1!!

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WTFwasthat · 23/12/2012 21:49

i was desparate for walk time, felt quite claustrophobic!

Loveleopardprint · 24/12/2012 09:04

Another idea. We have a pen in the kitchen with our dogs bed, toys, food and puppy pad in case.

overflowingmum · 26/12/2012 20:23

I would say stick with the idea of using the crate. Our border collie puppy is 13 weeks now. At first we only really used the crate at night. in the day he would sort of fall asleep wherever!! BUT a few weeks on he stopped just falling asleep and seemed ALWAYS on the go despite me walking/playing/training etc with him loads... and then I realised he was getting overtired so started putting him in his crate when I thought he may need to sleep and after whining for maybe 30 secs he falls fast asleep and sellps for ages and is much calmer! It's almost likes he NEEDS to be restraine din the crate to force him to stop and sleep!! ( I should add he only goes in there when he needs to sleep and doesn't spend hours in it!)

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