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Puppy blues....sigh...the teenage phase...lessons learnt

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spudballoo · 28/11/2012 21:16

Hard innit? I've had it so easy, my 9mth old doodle puppy has really been relatively easy as puppies go. He arrived at 7 weeks totally housetrained, day and night, he slept all night, he didn't chew, he's clever and was quickly off lead when walking as his recall was solid right from the start. He was a bit of a landshark for a while but it passed. He settled down really quite quickly, once we could get out and about and the evening zoomies were done with. Frankly I was quite smug.

He's now pushing all my buttons and is pushing manybou ndaries, a lot. So I've upped the training, I now have a weekly 1:1 session which has really worked so well with specific issues.

But we've got lazy about keeping the gate to upstairs properly locked as he has been so, so good in the house. Big mistake. Huge. In two forays up there in the last few days he's been through a £200 pair of shoes, a pair of new slippers, the replacement pair of slippers, Buzz Lightyear is now a double amputee and I fear for his innocence too, Lego creations are no more, a pirate hat is a gonna etc etc etc. This is ENTIRELY our fault, not his.

My biggest problem is his jumping up at people and becoming fixated on dogs to play with. I thought we were making such fantastic progress with this, as his recall is excellent. Or so I thought. Today I took him along a busy 'dog walking' path. We met a pair of women with dogs offlead and my dog, offlead, raced off to their dogs and started playing very boisterously. The women called to me that it was fine, that their dogs like a bouncy play but I ran over as I could see the 'temperature' ramping up. Then I saw my puppy put his paws on another dog's back and it was getting really vocal, so I called him off and he (after thinking about it for a bit) came back to me. I got him to sit, and then to watch me for a few seconds because I wanted him calm before I put his lead on as he can see that as a game sometimes when he's excited and can start to prance about.

While I was calming him another woman, with a dog and holding it by the collar (I assume to stop it joining in the crazy puppy play), suddenly shrieked 'Why can't she JUST MOVE OFF! THat woman, with the white dog....JUST MOVE OFFF!" She was really angry and screaming, I called back to her that I was doing so but wanted my dog on a lead. At that point my puppy legged it back to the 'playing dogs' and very boisterous play recommenced. The angry lady then got even more angry and screamed at me that I was a 'stupid woman'.

I got my puppy back, eventually, put him on a lead and marched him back to the car with as much dignity as I could manage. And then I cried and I cried and I cried. I just felt so useless and hopeless and I knew I'd been in the wrong.

I know the lady was right to be cross. She didn't want her dog involved in a doggy boisterous play, and I should have been able to get him back and on a lead more quickly but I was doing the best I could.

Lesson learnt. He's not ready to be off the lead whilst he's so obsessed with playing with other dogs, to the extent of not immediately returning when called. He's very, very big and is very vocal when he plays and that's not on.

Cry. This puppy thing is so hard, I had no idea.

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littlewhitebag · 28/11/2012 21:52

My pup (6 month old lab) is terrible for running off with other dogs when off the lead. I now walk her anti social hours in places i know there will be few dogs. We are going to junior obedience classes which are helping. My vet has a lab with the same temperament and said it took her 18 months to get her dog to come back when other dogs were around. Take heart - it's not just you going through this!

HoneyDragon · 28/11/2012 22:31

Was your dog bothering the other woman? Sounds like you were doing well to keep him in a sit.

Hullypup is a bastard for jumping. I am working so bloody hard. One lady on our dog walk is terrified of being jumped on so when I see her and her dog I do my level best to quickly recall and put her on the lead.

Hullypup too has also started dodge the lead. She pisses off and sits in front of any other dog owner who has a ball Hmm

Her emergency recall is buggered as a guy with a spanial uses a whistle - so she immediarely runs off to him when he is trying to recall his spanial (who usually ignores him)

oh
and she has taken to barking .... a lot.

SpicyPear · 28/11/2012 22:51

Not a pup but our three year old rescue did this for about nine months. In the early days she would start to leg it before we could even see the dog, let alone check it was okay to play so she stayed on lead and then the 10m long line became our friend. Attached to a harness and could be stamped on if necessary. We nailed wait before moving on to a chase recall. The day she stopped dead in her tracks to wait when three excited dogs appeared around the corner will stay with me forever Smile

I have it all to come again now with pup now so feel your pain. It's really hard but the shouty woman does sound a bit unnecessary given you were clearly working with him on it. Have a Brew, tomorrow is a new day Smile

SrirachaGirl · 28/11/2012 23:12

This happened to me this week too. Lucy is very boisterous (but never aggressive) and mostly she is encouraged by other dog walkers at our off-leash because she wears their dogs out but today she was trying to engage an on-lead dog to play and the owner was NOT AMUSED. Her recall is usually SO good but play seems to trump that lately. We're going back to basics. Humph.

Also remember that dog parks tend to attract the demographic of slightly hysterical, menopausal CRAZY LADY. Things can get heated. Grin

spudballoo · 29/11/2012 20:34

Thank you for being supportive, I know I was in the wrong but I felt completely wrung out by the whole thing yesterday. It's just felt like one thing after another for the last week or so. No, my dog wasn't bothering Shouty Lady's dog, but she wanted to be able to move forward along the path and couldn't because my dog and his new feisty playing buddy were blocking it. I can see her point, but she got me on a raw day and I really took it to heart and spent the day moping around thinking what a crap dog owner I have turned out to be :-(

Today was better, we went somewhere else Grin where there is a mixture of paths and then wide open spaces full of dogs off lead. He behaved on the paths on lead, but was so naughty off lead. He legged it across the entire park to catch up with a couple of off lead dogs to engage in some VERY boisterous play. The owner was lovely even though, frankly, my puppy was being a pain in the arse to her dog. He used to understand the rules of doggy play but I really don't like how he is playing at the moment. Putting paws on another dog's back doesn't seem at all polite, seems like trying to show who is boss? Anyway, nice lady helped me get him back and I got him back on the lead.

We went for another walk later, in the country with no other dogs/people for miles, and he walked beautifully to heel off lead the whole time. Sat at gates without being asked, waited while I went through again without being asked etc etc.

I think the 10m lead will become our new friend. He can't be trusted off lead in 'high dog population' areas until he learns some manners. Though I'm a bit confused as to how he will learn dog manners without being exposed to them in open areas?

Anyway, thank you!

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HoneyDragon · 29/11/2012 21:06

Erm.

They learn mostly by doing it, displaying utterly mortifying behaviour, reducing you to a neurotic wreck.

And then one day. They stop. Grin

spudballoo · 29/11/2012 21:17

My Dad keeps telling me that the first 7 years are the worst....Shock

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permaquandry · 29/11/2012 21:30

Erm, I don't get shouty lady's point or attitude. Fgs, why do people get so cross about trivial things? So what if you were in the way? The world won't stop turning. What us wrong with a polite 'excuse me'?

Have a cup of tea and try to forget about it. You are obviously a considerate dog owner. She was very rude and unpleasant. I hope you don't come across her again but if you do, perhaps say that you appreciate that you were in the way but you were restraining/training your dog and say 'please can you not shout at me again' smile and walk away.

digerd · 29/11/2012 21:40

He is 9 months old and now sexually mature. Just wondered if his putting his paws on the back of the other dog was an instinct to practise? Is he neutered?

spudballoo · 29/11/2012 21:46

permaquandry...I would love to be that rational...but I seem to either cower or turn in to a tiger. I don't think I'd recognise her again, but she probably would recognise me as my dog is very distinctive looking. Though actually he's just had a major haircut and now looks like a different dog come to think of it.

He was castrated about 4 weeks ago. He was 'practising' on male dogs, both times he's done it this week. I'm not sure I subscribe to the dominance theory, but he is definitely a dog that likes to push boundaries and to try to be in charge.

95% of the time he's fantastic, the other 5% he's a pain in the arse Smile. that's probably a good ratio for a 9 month old and I should shut up.

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Scuttlebutter · 29/11/2012 22:59

Srirachagirl, usually if a dog is onlead there are very good reasons, especially if it is an area where dogs can be safely offlead. The dog may have been recovering from surgery, elderly, reactive etc. Having a huge, bouncy pup, no matter how well meaning bowling over can be very difficult.

And Hmm at menopausal crazy lady - not nice.

WynkenBlynkenandNod · 30/11/2012 06:40

Hang in there, it will improve. I speak as owner of 3.5 year old Doodle type haggy mop who quite frankly was a total nightmare and I'm never ever having a puppy again in my life. I've started walking her somewhere new and can't quite get used to the lack of 'she really has calmed down' comments as no one knows what she was like before.

The long line is definitely your friend (remembers emergency Boxing Day dash and a bright yellow 10 foot makeshift version till the pet shop reopened) plus lots of treats and remembering the MN mantra, this too will pass.

Is he interested in balls at all? Mine wasn't at that age but is now ball rather than food obsessed but it's worth a go. I love whoever invented the ball thrower so much I started contemplating starting a thread on it, till I decided that was a bit sad. I even had to encourage her to play with another dog yesterday which would have been unthinkable before. And she gets back home looking properly tired and even has to have a lie down mid circuit.

The eating everything phase will pass too, our casualty list is horrendous but we now have wood back in the wood basket and plants in the garden. The jumping too, just carry on being consistent.

Forget the woman, she was having a bad day. We've all waited for someone to sort out their puppy, most of us feel hugely relieved we're past that stage and wait patiently with a hint of nostalgia. We've now go the perfect family dog except she stinks and nicks food, but I'll settle for that !

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