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Whippets: what do I need to know?

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chipped · 10/08/2012 20:10

I think they may be my next dog Smile

We want something smallish, not too hairy/messy, easily transportable(!), not excessively vocal and good with (well behaved, respectful) children. I think they're beautiful.

My concerns are; we have a (dog friendly) cat - is this necessarily a problem?

Can you take one for a long country walk and not worry about it disappearing off after rabbits (too much)? I don't want to have to use a lead/line and am used to having easy, off lead walks. I am of course happy to play and interact lots.

On that note, do they like playing/fetching?

Any other thoughts about this breed? Can I ring the breed society and ask advice?

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Nigglenaggle · 10/08/2012 22:11

Whippets are a little better than some other sight hounds with cats, a puppy would be better from that point of view. I would say they aren't especially good or especially bad with children, although your individual dog may be, of course. The breed society should be delighted to hear from you I would have thought. If only everyone put thought into their next dog rather than going purely on looks.

chipped · 11/08/2012 07:00

Thanks for replying. Do you have any thoughts on off lead exercise; this is really important to me as we live quite rurally and I love dogs running free (in a controlled fashion Smile)

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MaggotMummy · 11/08/2012 07:11

I know two whippet owners (we have a dachshund who couldn't run away fast enough if he tried lol) who have struggled with off lead exercise. As sight hounds the desire to chase is very strong.
But, you sound experienced with dogs and if you have a lot of time to invest I bet there is a whippet wizard the breed society will recommend to you to help with training.
I totally agree that off the lead exercise is best and oh yes they are great at fetching etc they are gorgeous when in motion and very acrobatic, they can leap quite high too.

MaggotMummy · 11/08/2012 07:15

I should say that with age they have got easier, both friends have two each who are now over five and they are only naughty very occasionally, sometimes there is an especially tempting bunny...

Merle · 11/08/2012 07:30

I think they are terrific. We have a whippet and a whippet cross. They definitely need at least one off-lead session per day, as well as normal walks/being in the garden. They have to have a mad running time, to let off steam. You would need somewhere safe for that.

They are prey-driven, though, so go a bit bonkers when they see next door's cat. I would think a puppy could be trained not to react in that way, to a cat which it lives with, but I'm no expert and the instinct is always there.

As long as they have had their off-lead time they are very civilised in the house. A bit like cats, actually - will curl up on the sofa for the evening. They are lovely.

chipped · 11/08/2012 07:34

Oh thanks for the replies. Thier cat-like tendencies sound lovely! I will need to think carefully I think.

Any more experience? Are show/working lines very different?

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GobblersKnob · 11/08/2012 08:15

I have a 2 year old whippy and know many more, I think they are great dogs.

Some points.

They are very good with well behaved chidren but do not tolerate pain well, so while a lab or Stafford may well look on benevolently as a child climbs or steps on it (not that I think any child should be allowed to do this) a whippet is far more likely to growl and be unhappy. Sadly my ds was very badly bitten by someone elses whippet at the end of last year for no apparent reason, up to then the dog had been very accepting of children, but this can happen with any dog.

Working lines will be far more prey driven than show lines and I wouldn't go that route if you are looking for peaceful walks!

Generally whippets are extremely loving and very attached to their owners, most will tolerate being left but they don't like it, some develop bad seperation anxiety and can be extraordinarily destructive, they can take a lot of patience to get over this. Generally while walking though it is an advantage is they really just stay glued to your side or if you wind they up (very easy Grin) they will take off in wide circles, but they don't run off iyswim, just big happy rings around you.

They will chase, but I can call mine off of anything, including squirels, but you will be looking into doing a lot of work to do this and it will ultimately depend on the dog. I would recommend 'Pigs Might Fly' if you haven't read it already for training stuborn dogs. They are not natural retrievers, but if you think outside the box they can be trained to retrieve, mine is now ball crazy, which is great as it is wonderfu exercise and chasing for him, you will need a flinger, otherwise the ball tends to not go far enough and they can injure themselves.

They can also do obedience, agility and fly ball, but sight hounds are a law unto themselves and require different training to a Lab or Collie, you need to train somewhere where that wi be taken into account. They are extremely sensitive and training needs to be gentle, fun and positive.

Running injuries are not uncommon and broken legs do happen, do get good comprehensive insuance. Rips and tears to the skin if you walk them anywhere with anything pointy (hedges, walls, bushes.....) are quite a common occurence and while the first couple will send you running to the vet, you will soon learn to dress them yourself Grin.

Mine is fine with cats, but again only through exhaustive training, as we don't have a cat ourselves.

They can take a fair time to grow up, expect puppy naughtiness up to around the age of two and they are terrible food thieves, tall enough when standing on their back legs to reach the back of a kitchen work surface. Mine looks like an angel when people are eating he would never beg or take food, just curls into a tiny ball on his rug, but the minute food is unattended all bets are off.

They can be picky with their own food, a raw diet works very well for them or a very good quality complete, some are very hard to keep weight on, occasionally some go they other way are run to fat but this is rare. They are very sensitive to anestethic due to their low body fat and you need a vet with some experience of sight hounds, nearly all whippy puppies are diagnosed with 'heart murmers' by inexperinced vets, they always grow out of it. They are generally very healthy and rather long lived.

They feel the cold and will need probably need coats in the winter if you walk with them or are doing anything that involves standing around, if they are running they are fine. They need to wear a sight hound collar and preferably a wide fabric martingale as their heads are smaller than their necks and they can back out of normal collars. They need a comfortable bed and lots of blankets but would really prefer to share yours, if you are not happy to let them share the sofa they are really not the dog for you. They do not like the rain and mine even now will go and poo in our bathroom next to the loo if it is raining Hmm he would never pee in the house though. They are mildly eccentric and can be kleptomanics, you will find all sorts of wierd and wonderful things in their beds that they have 'collected'.

Sorry, that's a bit of a massive essay Blush. When you want some more information either Citycroft or Stormburst are both brilliant breeders with loads of experience and will be happy to chat whippies with you and tell you anything you need to know.

Nigglenaggle · 11/08/2012 08:59

Your normal vet will be fine. Medically, a dog is a dog. Modern anaesthetics do not affect sight hounds differently to other dogs so unless your vet is from the dark ages it will not be a problem. Many dogs, of all breeds, have 'innocent' murmurs which they grow out of as they get older and this is well recognised by... pretty much every vet I know! Perhaps it isnt always explained well enough... Sorry Gobbler I actually thought your post was really helpful just that little bit annoyed me Wink

GobblersKnob · 11/08/2012 09:11

Sorry if the above is wrong, anesthetics don't affect them differently but I have been told (by my sight hound owning vet) that anesthetic need to be calculated differently for sight hounds due to their weight/fat ratio. And yes all puppies can have innocent murmers but sight hounds are particually prone and it does cause rather a lot of new owners to panic, something I see time and time again on the sight hound forums I belong to.

Sorry again to have caused annoyance Grin

Nigglenaggle · 11/08/2012 09:17

There is an older anaesthetic called Thiopentone which used to be quite dangerous for sight hounds, but it isn't widely used now - sorry Gobbler probably I over-reacted, but vets and others having to be knowledgeable about a particular breed is a pet hate, medically a dog is a dog. That's not to say that some things aren't more common in certain breeds, but a vet should be able to pick it up anyway using their general dog knowledge rather than some esoteric breed know how. Anyway I will stop ranting now and stop sidelining the post! Shhh mouth is open Niggle should be shut! ;)

GobblersKnob · 11/08/2012 09:27

I don't mind at all, just passing on what I have been told Smile and am more than happy to be corrected. The anesthetic thing is always brought up on forums, but tbf quite a lot of the people have been involved in dogs for a very long time and may well be passing on outdated information.

Usually I totally agree with you, a dog is indeed just a dog, I particually hate the 'locking Stafford jaws' myth, how do people think thay do it?

Most vets are brilliant and I love my usual one but some are woefully behind the times, I had to see an out of hours locum not long ago with one of my rats and he was horrified that I kept four bucks together and insisted that I go home and separate them all immediately before kill each other Hmm. He would not listen to anything I had to say on the subject. I think it can be useful to have some knowledge yourself.

Sorry op, serious derailment now.

chipped · 11/08/2012 10:07

That is exactly the sort of info I was after, thank you so much. Lots to think about there. I wish I knew someone with one I could borrow!

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chipped · 11/08/2012 10:10

X post, that's ok! I appreciate all the views and discussions

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Scuttlebutter · 11/08/2012 11:37

Sorry to add to the derailment Blush but just wanted to add that particularly for greyhounds, there are some differences from other dogs. Can't find the link now, but there's a very handy site with typical greyhound bloodwork values and how these differ from "normal" dogs, and how a vet who might not be sighthound savvy might possibly be led astray.

Yes the anaesthetic thing is an old issue, but I think it's a legacy from when many vets didn't have so many greys as patients, unless their practice had a strong working/racing clientele. There's been a huge increase in retired greys being recycled as pets and this now makes them far more widespread in ownership and at vet practices.

And back on thread, the "New cushion for pointies" is full of us sighthound folks, including some gorgeous whippets, so come on over. Smile Unfortunately, I know a few are away on their holidays at the moment, but if you are able to wait a little bit, they will be back and able to regale you with whippy tales. Had the very great pleasure of meeting a MNetter's adorable whippy back in June (we had a mini Welsh meet up) and he is incredibly handsome, snuggly, runs like a loon on the beach, adores children (eats at least five a day Wink) and is an allround good egg.

To get to meet some whippets in real life, do a bit of googling for terrier and lurcher shows in your area - these often have classes for greyhounds and whippets, and go along and be prepared to fall in love... We also see masses and masses of whippies and lurchers at greyhound shows - for instance next weekend is the SW Great Greyhound Gathering at Upottery, near Honiton (with cream teas!!!) - there will be plenty of whippets attending. Most owners find sighthounds highly addictive so it's very common to find a home with an assortment of greys, whippies, lurchers, grippets etc...

chipped · 11/08/2012 11:57

Ooh thank you scuttlebutter great info. I will pop over to your pointy thread!

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TheCunnyFunt · 11/08/2012 21:03

I know someone with a greyhound and a whippet, the whippet loves children, she always sticks her nose into DDs buggy to say hello :o and we see them quite a lot on our walks and the whippy does just run in big rings around you :o she is a beautiful dog, a gorgeous blue-grey colour.
Definitely come to the pointy cushion, we can give you lots of links to pointy collars and coats porn :o

NotMostPeople · 11/08/2012 22:06

Both my dogs are whippet crosses although they are very different as one is greyhound cross and the other beagle. Beagle cross doesn't have a particularly high prey drive certainly no more than any other dog, but the Grey cross does. When he was about eight months we had to walk him with a muzzle as he mistook small dogs for prey, Westies were a particular favourite. However he outgrew it or my training worked and we don't have any issues although I would put him on the lead around very small fluffy dogs. We tend to walk in the woods and there aren't so many of those anyway.

We have no problems with recal with either of them and Beagle cross is very food driven so easy to train with the promise of a treat.

It is true that they do get lots of nicks and cuts on their legs as there's no fat or much fur to protect them as they charge about.

They are a dream at home, love the dcs, love cuddles with attempt to monopolise they sqishiest cushions/sofa/chair. Mine are great at night and don't seem to have a problem with long lie ins either!

We do a good long proper walk every morning and they spend the rest of the day sleeping (mostly with long gangly legs in the air).

I wouldn't be fussed about a pure whippet over a Lurcher and there are lots of rescued Lurchers needing good homes.

TheCunnyFunt · 11/08/2012 22:42

NotMost has a point, there are a lot of lurchers in rescues, it's apparently rare for a whippet to end up in rescue because they make such brilliant pets!

chipped · 12/08/2012 12:18

That's a good point about lurchers, there are some quite small ones aren't there?

I have been having a read of the pointy thread, it's making me more keen!

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TheCunnyFunt · 12/08/2012 14:52

Yes Chipped, one of the ladies on the pointy thread has a whippy lurcher but he is 90% whippy. They come in any shape and size do lurchers!

BehindLaneNumberNine · 14/08/2012 21:06

It is me with the 90% whippy lurcher. Pics are on my profile. He is only an inch or so taller than a standard whippy and marginally broader through his hips.
He is a wonderful little dog, mad as a box of frogs, extremely loving and loyal. He is great on the lead, does not pull, trots alongside you happily. Even off the lead he sticks close by. He will run off like a fruitcake once we get to the big open field in the woods, he will go flat out and run some large circles around me before trotting back to me with a huge grin on his face, tongue hanging out.
At home he is happy to snuggle up on the sofa / bed / his bed / freshly dug soft pile of compost in the garden / load of washing waiting to go in the machine, anywhere soft really. He is equally happy to hare around the garden with the dc, chasing balls, wrestling with ds, digging up the plants and even tackles the 'show jumping' courses dd sets up for him with buckets and broom handles Grin
We have had a few digestive issues with him but he is doing very well on raw food and loves it.
He is a definate candidate for the title of eccentric kleptomaniac - in the past few days I have found two raisin buns (uneaten!), dh's electric shaver, one shoe, two pens, one of my scarfs, ds's library book and a booklet of stamps in his bed. Sometimes he hides things in mine and dh's bed, very amusing until we found a raw chicken wing in there!!
He is a fantastic dog, I wholeheartedly recommend whippety lurchers!!

BehindLockNumberNine · 14/08/2012 21:09

Sorry, was still on my old name. Pics of whippety lurcher are on this profile Smile

bochead · 15/08/2012 23:00

Lovely dogs and provided you are prepared to do the work on training around recall, & livestock, fine for rural walks. I do think they take more effort to train reliably on recall than many other breeds due to their high prey drive, for this reason I devoted a solid six months when we first got our ex-worker to recall training.

They will never be 100% around traffic, and will always need a decent collar. I like a lined leather martingale, but it boils down to summat comfy for the dog yet secure enough that they won't slip it, if a fire engine whizzes past, sirens blaring, or summat startles them. When startled they ARE like a bullet from a gun, so to keep them safe never forget that. A collar from the £ shop will never be enough for a whippy.

Ours is 100% clean in the house, even when I've been negligent in taking her out due to illness or emergency. Blush She loathes cold wet days and does need a comfy, warm coat. She also needs a free run daily - so locate somehere safe and away from traffic for this.

I don't think they are the right breed choice for very rough children, as their build is not as sturdy as say a staff. For children prepared to handle them gently though they are ideal. Ours has been the perfect therapy dog for my over anxious ASD son, & is popular with the neighbours kids, on the school run etc too.

lurcherlink.org has a brilliant advice section on it's forum - I always direct would be whippy owners to it as you can pick up a real sense of what it's like to own one of these dogs when things do go wrong (and what sorts of specific things you are likely to encounter with this breed - in the 15 years your dog will live, summat will crop up with any breed).

If you do go a lurcher - choose your cross carefully as obviously some crosses will be more suitable for children than others. A whippy/akita cross wouldn't be my rec, but a whippy/spaniel cross might be perfect iykwim. (I'm a sucker for bedlington terrier/whippet crosses, and will prob go for this as my next dog at some point).

TheCunnyFunt · 16/08/2012 13:17

Corr, can you imagine a whippy akita?? :o

chipped · 16/08/2012 19:51

Thanks so much, such enthusiastic and knowledgeable pointy fans! behindlock your dog is adorable!

A big thing I forgot to ask; are they good 'take anywhere' dogs? I love to take my dogs with me for things like visiting friends/family, pub, trips in the car; anything really. My border collie was great and loved being my constant companion but wasn't trustworthy enough with people to always be suitable.

I also care for horses frequently, how are they with horses, anyone? And could you imagine one accompanying a rider (with no one in charge on the ground?) not sure I could actually...!

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