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German shepherd has to go!

155 replies

Charliesmum09 · 07/08/2012 09:02

My 8year old German shepherd did the thing I always feared yesterday and bit my toddler, he opened the baby gate and I think he stepped on her and she has turned, I have searched most of the night for a rescue centre to take her but they are all advising that they are full, if I can't find a new home for her in the next 24hrs I may have to have her pts!
Either rehoming her or having her pts are equally heartbreaking decisions but I have to put my little ones safety first, I know a lot of people will say keep them apart we have tried that but Charlie thinks the dog is his best friend and for the most part they are really but a bad judgement yesterday has changed all that, does anyone know of a home for her or a rehoming centre I need to do this quickly and I will travel with her, I'm in Manchester currently.

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TantrumsAndOlympicGoldBalloons · 08/08/2012 19:02

caz I bet you think my dog shouldn't have been given a second chance?
A fully grown, unsocialised to the point of terrified, snappy, growly, not properly house trained, still mouthing and chewing?

Good job I don't think like you isn't it?

cazboldy · 08/08/2012 19:09

scuttlebutter - i do know there are good ones too Smile dogs trust is near us and I do support it - but there are bad ones too Sad

i would liken it to the difference between Redwings and World horse Welfare (being a horsey type Smile)

I think the talk of all dog owners needing a license would be a good step in the right direction.

There are too many dogs needing homes, and too many breeders breeding them.

LookBehindYou · 08/08/2012 19:10

imo, the OPs dogs agression probably came from being separated. Baby arrives and dog gets put behind bars.

LookBehindYou · 08/08/2012 19:11

I do agree with all dogs being chipped.

MrsZoidberg · 08/08/2012 19:13

Tantrums - that sounds just like my boy. The one who is curled up fast asleep at my feet and who is now the cuddlliest cuddle monster going, and the most obedient of all my dogs (all rescues except 1 - all large breeds). He was only 10 months, just a baby and yet Battersea were going to PTS.

All mine (bar 1 ) were mistreated, and hard to rehome - but so worth it when you end up with such lovely dogs with a little bit of effort. I will only have rescues, and admire all of you who work with rescue centres.

cazboldy · 08/08/2012 19:14

Well done Tantrums - Glad you managed to save the dog Smile

I have a horse, which most people thought I was mad to take on as it had been mistreated in the past and was terrified of everything and unpredictable.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that people like you who are prepared to go the extra mile are few and far between , and getting a dog is far too easy, when actually it is an undertaking of serious responsibilty.

seeker · 08/08/2012 19:22

"Is anyone else imagining the murderous cat as the Shrek cat leaping out of the trees brandishing a sword?"

You may laugh- but it was like that. Picture a 14lb half Burmese with an irrational haters of postman. His brother- my wonder cat- could drag a dead fully grown rabbit half a mile from the warren to my living room,, and stole a leg of lamb and brought it home once Christmas eve!

I do know about growling and it's significance- I just don't think it's relevant to the poster's friend's cav. And the pecking order theory might be outdated, but it is a good way of illustrating the relative importance of the mammals that live in an house.

Scuttlebutter · 08/08/2012 19:23

Like Tantrums, we also have a dog that wouldn't be suitable to be homed with small DC. We don't have any, so the charity was happy to be able to place him with us where he is a much loved and very special member of the family, who gets on very well with our small nephews and other family members. We are careful and take basic commonsense precautions with him around DC and it works. It's not rocket science - it's just commitment and common sense.

It's also been great for the boys to have got to know our three very different dogs and now they are confident dog handlers who love coming over and attending charity dog shows with us, and going to rescue events. I really wish you could see the happiness that is brought by dog adoption and the many benefits to children like our nephews. Seeing their faces beaming with pride as they came home with a rosette and a prize bag of poo bags Grin or making strangely wonky Fancy Dress costumes for boys and dogs has been a delight, and given us some of the nicest times we've had.

This reality is repeated up and down the country every day with a huge variety of rescue dogs, big, small, old, young, pedigree, mongrel, cross breeds, four legs, three legs, tail on, tail off, ex racers, ex sofa surfers, ex poundies, ex breeders. When I did my Gold KC Good Citizen Award with one of our greys, (see, rescues can be trained beautifully too) out of the eight dogs in the class, four were rescues, and one (a Staffy - shattering yet another myth right there) was a brilliant agility dog, who competed regularly with his owner.

LookBehindYou · 08/08/2012 19:30

Lovely post Scuttle.

Seeker, yes I can entirely believe it. But then I've never quite recovered from sleeping on a friend's sofa and being woken by her kamake nutter cat leaping on to my head with all claws extended.

TantrumsAndOlympicGoldBalloons · 08/08/2012 19:31

scuttle I've got 2 rescue staffys at the moment, the older one was mistreated, he is now the sweetest dog ever.

Tbh I think people who rescue dogs, train and socialise them etc are not rare at all. I know a huge number ofpeoe who foster and rescue dogs successfully but you never hear about that because there's no story in it.
You only ever hear about dangerous, out of control rescue dogs, bad owners etc.

Scuttlebutter · 08/08/2012 19:32

Caz, can't comment on those two charities as I don't know enough about them _ I do support Brooke though who do such amazing work overseas for working equids. Don't know if it's just me, but I am usually in a heap of soggy sniffles though when I get their appeals. Blush

I think you make a very valid point though about the lack of guidance for dog adopters when seeking out a rescue - what makes a good one? At the moment, anyone can set one up and they are not subject to any licensing, inspection or independent audit. It is hard for people to pick their way through. People like me who are rescue volunteers think it's important to spell out what to look for, and also to keep abreast of the growing body of academic work in this field - some very exciting work being done in this area, that I think (and hope) will radically alter some thinking in rescues.

I am VERY VERY afraid of Seeker's cat. Shock

Scuttlebutter · 08/08/2012 19:38

Tantrums - agreed. Good news doesn't really make the headlines. Imagine - "Family adopts lovely Staffy. All live happily ever after" Grin

I'm judging at a charity dog show in September and I love the classes for Best Rescue - you hear such amazing stories, and for Best Veteran too. Best Child handler is usually a hoot - I have to struggle to maintain a strict, judgey face while small children are towed round the ring by exuberant terriers, or a large greyhound walks a toddler who could step under their legs.

Toughasoldboots · 08/08/2012 19:42

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Cuebill · 08/08/2012 19:45

Rescue dogs I have rehomed have become Grade 7 agility dogs, obedience champions, competed in working trials, some have become sniffer dogs for customs, a litter went to be trained as assistance dogs, PAT dogs and search and rescue dogs. Also the thousands that have become much loved members of very happy families. Never ever write off a rescue dogs Smile

seeker · 08/08/2012 20:06

It's fantastic to hear all these wonderful happy ending stories. If our lifestyle was dog- compatible we would have a rescue dog.

But.

If a dog bites a child, that child's parents should have the right to get rid of that dog without being abused. Well, if they got the dog after the baby and expected Greyfriars Bobby, then maybe abused a bit. And yes, ideally a dog should be rehomed. And the fosterers on here are fantastic. But if the dog is going to spend ages in a pen, not understanding why it's there and with no sense of time, and no way of knowing that sooner or later it will be given a home, they surely being pts is better? It's the same with long and painful medical treatment. You can't explain to a dog that it will get better, so isn't it kinder not to subject them to what feels like forever of pain?

TantrumsAndOlympicGoldBalloons · 08/08/2012 20:12

Yes, everyone has the right to do as they see fit.

There is in my opinion sometimes a view that getting a dog PTS is the easy option when clearly it shouldn't be.
There's measures that can be taken that do not involve getting a dog PTS or having a dog in a pen all day and I think as a responsible dog owner you should explore all options.

Cuebill · 08/08/2012 20:22

My concern with threads like this is the lack of options the OP has given.

Dog has bitten so the only alternative is pts or maybe rescue.

This is such an over reaction (hold on folks - I am not in anyway suggesting a dangerous dog should live with children or putting children at risk. I do have my own children).

A dog that has bitten once in a certain situation is usually able to be rehabilitated and managed in a way that NOONE is at risk.

The immediate cry of PTS by people who have no knowledge of dog behaviour is ludicrous and like me giving advice on style and beauty. I have an opinion but it is wrong, rubbish and not relevant Smile

If you find yourself in the position of the OP, get professional advice and do not panic, there will be a solution and generally qualified dog behaviourists will have loads of contacts to help you in this situation.

I totally disagree that killing dogs is in the dogs best interest..........especially when it is usually the humans that have the problems in understanding their dogs.

LookBehindYou · 08/08/2012 20:32

Cuebill that was such a patronising post. Experienced dog owners don't have the right to patrol the doghouse threads and shout down everyone they don't agree with.

TantrumsAndOlympicGoldBalloons · 08/08/2012 20:35

Patronizing? Which part?

experienced dog owners have the right to point out from their personal experience when someone is talking rubbish.

Why would anyone attempt to give advice on a subject they have no experience about and not expect to be questioned?

Cuebill · 08/08/2012 20:44

Lookbehind you It was not meant to be patronising and I am still not sure why you think it is.

Tbh I have no idea what your post is about - I can't understand why anyone would want advice from non experienced people in an issue of life or death but each to their own.

LookBehindYou · 08/08/2012 20:53

Dog owners with lots of experience don't automatically have wisdom or an unbiased view of things. People can have a good grasp of the situation without having first hand experience.
An opinion that doesn't tally with yours isn't wrong. It's just different.

'wrong, rubbish and not relevant' is the part that I found most patronising. Or maybe just downright rude. I love my dog and admire all you guys that rescue regularly but it isn't on to be so personal to other people making comments about their child supervision etc.

Anyway, this conversation is a bit nuts seeing that we've had no update from the OP so no idea what has happened.

Cuebill · 08/08/2012 20:55

An opinion that recommends killing a dog when there is no need is wrong.

LookBehindYou · 08/08/2012 20:57

Nobody has recommended that apart from the OP. And the OP said that she didn't want to do it and had found a woman to take the dog.

TantrumsAndOlympicGoldBalloons · 08/08/2012 21:02

Well, surely with experience comes wisdom?

If you were to post about help with adopting a child, or coping with twins, or home educating I would not have any advice to offer because ive no experience of those things.

I would leave it to someone who had to offer advice and share their own stories.

However when it comes to dogs, everyone must put forward their advice even though they have no experience of the subject matter.

Funny that...........

LookBehindYou · 08/08/2012 21:10

Dogs and children are an emotive subject.
Before I had kids I could see behaviour in other adults that I didn't agree with. It's nuts to say that people can't bring intelligent reasoning.
Experience definitely doesn't guarantee wisdom. You made me smile with that.
I have seen some of you guys post on other threads and seem human. It's just the subject of dogs that brings out the pitchforks. I'm just as bad.

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