Reasons

[Stoney666]

For not using treat bases training?

well I dont use treats to train my dog - but thats because he isnt motivated by food.

Why do you want reasons not to use treats? You could use a clicker or praise or a toy. It doesnt have to be food.

Do you mean reasons for using adversive training instead of positive training? I think it's that some people are a little bit dim and honestly believe they're doing the right thing, most others are bullies who like exerting their physical strength over things smaller than them because it makes them feel big. Just my opinion, though.

Treats don't have to involve food. When we're out and about, I don't carry treats. I carry the Amazing Squeaky Ball Of Much Awesomeness. This mythical object gets my dog's attention in pretty much every concievable circumstance. And when he's good, I throw it. He literally wees with joy.

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Have decided to stop food based treats and found a new trainer (lovely and kind no cruelty at all, wouldn't touch all that) dog was getting so cheeky and expected treats. Without doing anything lol anyway it's really hard I feel like I'm starting again but I'm getting there slowly just wanted opinions really

Sorry I jumped in a bit feet first there.

I use whatever is of high enough value at the time when training Devil Dog, inside the house, this can be as simple as cubes of cheese. Outside the house, we need to start off with something higher in value like a game of tug. For ignoring other dogs and for recall we needed something really high in value and used chicken wings and/or raw mince (although the training was always done at regular mealtime and the chicken wings were in place of breakfast or supper)

I don't treat everytime once a behaviour has been learned. I slowly reduce the amount of treats used as the dog becomes faster at performing the command and replace it with simple praise.

The main thing is that your dog is responding to the training and you are happy with what you are doing and happy that the techniques are not cruel or threatening to your dog and are not damaging the trust you have built with each other.

A dog will repeat a behaviour if it is rewarding enough. If there is reward or no reason to do the behaviour the dog will not do it. So some form of reward will make your training much more effective, clearer to the dog and quicker.

However that reward does not have to be food, some dogs collies especially will love a word of praise or a pat, a lab however will turn its noise up on that but will do a back flip for a piece of cheese. Many terriers will speed up their training for a tennis ball (generalisations I know but you get the idea).

If your new trainer is advocating no rewards (and the dog does it because you ask him to) you may as well throw your money in the sea.