Need urgent advice for my dad, selling entire boxer pup on FB!!!!

[TheCunnyFunt]

He owns the mother and the son, the pup was born end of september and he is now bigger than mum and trying to be the boss apparently. The mother is getting pissed off with it and keeps putting him in his place, my dad reckons she'll end up killing him eventually as she may be smaller but is a lot more powerful.

He is advertising him on FB, he is heartbroken at having to get rid of him, I just wondered if there is anything I can tell him to do that doesn't mean he has to get rid of him. He isn't neutered either which is more reason I need urgent replies, I don't want him to end up as a puppy farm stud or used for fighting.

Oh dear. Then I have to agree with the person who said 'how irresponsible'. I'm starting to think he just bred his bitch because he thought it would be an easy way to make some money. Good on you for trying to sort it out and do the right thing though.

I'd just hate for henry to end up in the wrong hands. Not sure if you remember but a while ago I started a thread about an old school friend of mine selling her entire Husky on FB for a poxy £80. I was tryin to persuade her to contact Husky rescue but she was insisting she wanted the best for him and that wasn't in a kennel and PTS after so long :(

He ended up being sold.

Well, selling on FB is an absolute no no. I doubt he'd attract dog fighters with that price, they normally look for free to good home dogs but no price would put off a puppy farmer. Please say he's not KC registered and being sold with papers? He's future is much bleaker if so, although lack of papers will not put off all puppy farmers and the suitability of people willing to buy a dog off of FB is questionable at best.

All responisble owners, the kinds you would want to look after your dog, go to reputable breeders or rescues. I adore dogs but I would not take one off FB even if you were paying me to. The poor dog could end up with anyone. People lie. They're not going to rock up on Dad's doorstep and say "Hey, can I buy your dog? I'm gonna keep him in a shed in the yard, breed from him continuously, even to aggressive bitches who might cause him serious injury, which I will not treat. I'm never gonna walk him, I'll feed him sporadically and once he can no longer stud I'll kill him with my bare hands" They're going to make out like they're from a family home and they want a pet.

WRT being able to keep both dogs, yes, he could. It is imperative that both dogs get nuetered. A lot of vets have finance options if paying up front is not an option. Some rescues might help him and I'm not sure if the PDSA offer reduced rates. He'd have to ring round places and ask.

I can guarentee the younger dog is not trying to dominate. He is either trying to play or impregnate the bitch (hence speying being vital. Inter bred puppies are not healthy)

Training can help here. Every time the younger dog tries to initiate play he shoud be quietly removed from the room until he is calm and quiet. The bitch should have somewhere quiet to go to where the dog cannot get at her when she wants some peace. One option would be to put a magnetic dog flap on an internal door (to a utility room maybe?) and only give the bitch a magnetic collar to operate it, so that she can escape easily.

There is no reason why the younger dog could not live with other dogs. I have a 'dominant' dog -read playful and enjoys dry humping- and he lives happily with other dogs with a little training and the right other dogs. He now knows if his dry humping is incessent he will be taken out of the room until he is ready to behave like a civilised animal

Also, the whole thing could just be play. When mine play it sounds horrendous. The terrier gives off the most blood curdling snarls and growls. It really does sound like he is determined to kill the smaller dog, but that is just how he plays. The smaller dog lets him know when she's had enough and he stops.

If there has been no blood drawn upto now it's likely to be ott play, but can still be limited or stopped with the above training.

Haha - yes my two do that as well Dooin. It can be quite alarming for onlookers who don't know them well.

Have either of the dogs actually hurt each other yet?

If they haven't then I'd also assume the fighting is play fighting. It is usually lots of teeth, skin grabbing, snarling and barking. It looks and sounds horrific, but the dogs are having the best fun.

You can't miss a true dog fight. They are vicious. The dogs are next to impossible to separate, and blood is shed. Very, very different.

I'm not sure if they have actually injured each other. But as I said in my second post, right underneath the OP, it's impossible to seperate them, he lives on a narrowboat. The only internal doors are nowhere NEAR strong enough to stand upto a boxer who wanted to get through.

I think I wasn't quite clear. I meant that once dogs are properly fighting, it's hard to separate them. Not that they should be separated onboard.

It sounds as though training is the way forward and that the fighting isn't quite as serious as it sounds. If they wanted to hurt each other, they already would have done.

Oh no sorry, from 'But as I said in my second post' was meant to be a new paragraph, aimed at D0oin as she said to seperate them for peace and quiet. I knew what you meant Daisy.

Sorry, I was skim reading from my phone. Is there space for a crate or two? He could try crate training one or both for while he is out and also train them not to enter the others crate, so the bitch has an escape if she wants.

Sorry to say your father is a totally irresponsible backyard breeder, the whole stuff about a bitch needing to have a litter is total bollocks and he is no friend to dogs. Please keep on at him re rescue and having the bitch spayed.

At tyhe very least he should be able to cage one of them (adequately sized obviously) for up to a few hours at a time if he goes out to stop them possibly hurting ane another. It doesn't sound as if a narrow boat is the ideal place for two large boisterous dogs like boxers either. Do they get enough exercise? Especially the adolescent boy dog? sorry to say he's not really thought any of this through at all has he?

They get plenty of excercise plus they can wander around my dads "garden", he has a private mooring with a fence so they're not completely confined to the boat.

Unfortunately there really isn't room for one boxer sized crate let alone two! I still can't figure out how they all live on there comfortably, 3 people and 2 big dogs!

You don't need to tell me my dads an irresponsible twat. I've known that for a long time. I was furious when I heard the bitch was pregnant, the father is my sisters boxer who had a serious case of Gastroenteritis as a puppy and he has problems with his weight, if he doesn't eat enough even for 2 days his weight will just fall off him!

Also, yes all the puppies are KC reg with papers showing 5 generations etc etc. :(