Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

The doghouse

If you're worried about your pet's health, please speak to a vet or qualified professional.

Afraid of the back garden- Help needed for MadLab

13 replies

horsemadmom · 16/05/2012 10:44

MadLab has had quite a traumatic few weeks. After ripping his stopper pad and requiring surgical repair, he was restricted to lead excercize only and pottering round the garden to do his business (will not do it on the lead). Three Saturdays ago, he begain vomiting repeatedly in the afternoon and reconsuming the vomit when we were too slow with the kitchen roll. It stopped by the evening and he was fine overnight. No interest in brekkies and a bit subdued but not worrying looking in the am. DH and I took the kids off for their Sunday morning activities but cancelled our brunch to go home and check on M.L. We found a huge puddle of blood!
Went tearing off to the vet. M.L. was in deep shock with cardiac arythmia and passing blood from both ends. Thank goodness for a very clever vet who wouldn't give up! The final diagnosis was haemoragic gastroenteritis (ruled out pancreatitis and atypical addisons) but it was odd because it came on so fast and with such severity. His bone marrow shut down during this and only 10 days post discharge has his blood count reached the lower end of normal. That said, he is back to his bouncy self and regaining weight.
So, here's the problem...
MadLab had taken to relieving himself on the deck and seems terrified of the grass for about 20ft in front of it. We have been using treats and praise to get him to put one paw down on the grass but he's very worried. When we kick a football (always irrisistable) from the deck, he'll visibly steel himself and then leap as far from the deck as he can, scramble after it and run back along the borders. Once on the borders, he will go to the back of the garden for a poo but then looks stranded unless you guide him back. At night, he will not get off the deck at all. The vet thinks that he can remember that what made him sick was probably on that bit of the garden.
Before you dismiss that as being impossible for a dog to connect that something he ate made him sick and to remember where he ate it, the staff at the vet practice remarked that he is the most intelligent dog they've treated. We've always had retrievers who've been trainable but M.L. is actually resourceful. He was bred and trained for a working purpose.Favourite new trick- kids tell him to find their school shoes in the morning and he brings the correct shoes to the correct kid. We didn't teach him this, he just started doing it
I've looked at every inch of the garden as have the gardeners and can't find anything he might have eaten and we have no poisonous plants and we don't use chemicals.
Should we just keep going with treats and praise and accept it will take a while? Get a doggy friend to come play? His best LabBuddy, unfortunately, is trained not to poo in the garden so won't be a good example. Can you change the way the grass smells ? Ideas appreciated.

OP posts:
MrsZoidberg · 16/05/2012 11:05

Is it the bit closest to the deck only or is it all the garden?

If there is just a bit he won't go on, can you cover it temporarily with a bit of old carpet, tarpaulin etc just to see if he will then walk over it? If that works, perhaps you can then start shortening the cover - it may take weeks / months this way but at least MadLab will be happy again.

On another thought, we have a HuskyX who has OCD and has a major issue with coming in doors. We've swapped the door we use to put her in the garden, and the family are banned from using the original command to get her to come in. But, if DH is asking her to come in, he keeps on and on calling her, and you can see the OCD bit kick in and she becomes completely unable to cross the threshold. i.e. she becomes overwhelmed and it makes the issue worse. When I let her in, I frequently don't even use a command, just a look or a gesture, she's then calm and can walk straight in.

So, after that essay, what I think I'm getting at, is that perhaps you are trying too hard to get ML to get off the deck. Maybe just ignore the issue totally. Get the kids to run around and play normally - preferably playing with the football, but don't ask ML to join in. You, DH and the kids move up and down the deck as naturally as possible. It may take a couple of sessions, but he may want to be with the DC so much, he just gets over himself.

Glad he's back to his bouncy self, I'm sure the rest will happen soon.

mistlethrush · 16/05/2012 11:12

Is he wildly food driven? Our dog loves the chase the food game in the garden - where you throw a treat and she tries to catch it at long distance. If this would potentially work, start the game on the deck and when its in full swing get the odd one veering off or accidentally shooting off the edge. Might be worth a shot?

horsemadmom · 16/05/2012 11:23

Thanks for the advice. Alas, I'd need a 20'x30' tarpaulin.
I feel for your husky. We had one when I was a child and I see a lot of that type of intelligence in MadLab. Our huskey was a pro at opening drawers and getting into cupboards but couldn't cope with eating before us if we were home. Also had to turn 11 circles (precisely) before lying down. If interupted, the process began again.
The DCs have done a session with M.L. and the football and he just hunkers on the border and races to get it and retreats back to the border. It's been so wet out there that not much play has been happening. On the plus side, Mother Nature has done a good job of cleaning up the deck mess.

OP posts:
horsemadmom · 16/05/2012 11:28

MadLab is very food driven but will not even get off the deck for a sausage. We're pretty restricted in what he can eat at the moment but got so desperate that I laid a trail of sausage slices at 6 inch intervals down the steps and onto the grass. No luck.

OP posts:
SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 16/05/2012 12:23

Do you have any friends with dogs that MadLab enjoys playing with? Ones that aren't too bouncy, if he is still under the weather from his illness. If so, would they come round and play with him, or play on the lawn with him watching from the deck - so that he can see that the grass is safe for dogs, and hopefully the fun of playing with a friend might help him get back onto the lawn again?

horsemadmom · 16/05/2012 13:04

Just phoned LabBuddy's mum to arrange a playdate. He's a very chilled dog and not much into playing but might be good for MadLab to watch him potter about.
Another small victory about an hour ago-
Got MadLab to walk a few feet into the scary area to take a treat from me. Ran right back to the border but stil...

OP posts:
SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 16/05/2012 13:05

Well done MadLab!!

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 16/05/2012 13:15

hi horsemad I think ML has associated back garden grass area as what made him ill. Just go slowly, little treat, lots of praise when he goes on the grass.

Personally I wouldnt throw treats around on the grass as if he did eat something outside which made him ill you dont want to be encouraging him scrounging for titbits in the garden.

You could try ignoring him outside, so you sit in the garden (on the grass) read a book, have a ciggie coffee and relax. Dont call him, or speak to him, or look at him; just pretend he isnt there and see what he does. Get up, go inside, potter around work then repeat on and off throughout the day.

Dont forget he was originally trained to not go on grass for his toilet, so maybe he has reverted back to going on decking/concrete?

Big hugs and snuffles from us.

He is a clever boy.

horsemadmom · 16/05/2012 14:49

Thanks Jax! Hadn't thought about the potty training on concrete thing. I wonder if I can get him to revert back to always walking on the left. He's a very popular boy around here and believes it to be his duty to greet everyone who calls his name. I get tugged around the pavements as a result.
I will take your advice about sitting and ignoring him. Let's hope for a bit more good weather. Don't fancy doing it in the rain. Gotta go buy more treats.
Honestly can't figure out what he ate. He's behaving as if that stretch of grass physically hurts to walk on. I do think that he knows that the deck isn't the right place to go as he does it in the spots we can't see from the window (under the table mostly).
Poor little love sponge!

OP posts:
JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 16/05/2012 15:42

oh poor boy, he is having a tough time lately.

Obviously you cant be sitting in the garden when it is pouring, was thinking today when it is sunny. Lets hope this blue sky continues for a few days!

Lolly walks on my left but thinks that it is her duty to sniff every smell in the universe - whether on the left or right, but usually walks right in front of me. Cue me almost tripping over her. Drives me insane but the watch me command helps along with lots of swear words.

feesh · 16/05/2012 19:15

Do you do clicker training? Our dog has on two occasions developed a random fear of walking on the soil in our garden.

To cure her takes a whole day - you sit out there with a good book, a clicker and a bag of treats. Ignore the dog, but very casually click as he goes near the patch of fear and throw him a treat. Gradually increase the criteria, so he at first gets a click for just looking at the grass, then for approaching it, then for sniffing it, then for putting 1 paw on it etc etc. It takes a lot of patience but it does work. The dog would need to be already used to clicker training though.

gomowthelawn · 16/05/2012 19:44

I have a similarly nervy dog who developed a fear of his bed recently (I posted about it). He is still scared of it, but I caught him napping in it yesterday so there is progress. My tactic was not to force it. Every day I call him over, hold a biscuit just in front of his nose and guide him into the bed. If he gets in he gets the biscuit and praise, if he doesn't I just leave the biscuit in the bed. I don't make him stay in there, and don't make a big fuss about anything. It has to be his decision to get in iyswim. Try something similar, maybe go and sit on the grass and call him over for a treat, but let him run off again, and leave it at that. Repeat every day.

SnoopyKnine · 16/05/2012 19:48

Does it matter if he does not go on the lawn? I think the less you make of it and totally ignore his behaviour but carry on as the family usually does eg play football walk on the lawn then over time he will just chill about it. If the things he loves most eg food and ball don't work I guess you are stumped anyway. I would totally chill about it and I expect that will be passed down to him.

It may be what he ate tasted horrid or are you sure it was something he had eaten and he as not stung etc

New posts on this thread. Refresh page