Tuna and sardines for pups

[Flatbread]

Hiya, as some of you probably remember from the puppy saga in a previous thread, our dog has had nine pups. They are now a little over three weeks old.

We wanted to start them on semi-solids. Tried oatmeal with goats milk, with no success. Bread, egg yolk and goats milk with some success. Chicken mashed, but they only kinda liked it. And finally the breakthrough today of tuna pate thinned with goats milk, which they loved!

I was wondering of I could make a pate of sardines. Mum dog loves it, but not sure if it is too strong for pups and also about any possible bones. Before I make the effort, wanted to see if any of you had tried feeding sardines to pups?

Thanks.

Yes, bitter. And my vet is giving me bad advice because she apparently doesn't have the 'years of experience' of the breeders here.

I should listen to random online posters and ignore my vet. What next? Oh, yes, why bother to go to a doctor or an accountant, I am sure some online poster with 'years of experience' can advice me

Advise.

However, I am open to suggestions from random posters on their experience with feeding pups sardines and/or other natural foods

You just don't get it, do you? Your ignorance about dogs astounds me. You've had a pet dog and think you know it all. It's been suggested that your vets advice is odd and not in line with either the manufacturers recommendations (which vets are duty bound to follow BTW) or advice ever heard from another vet, therefore it's also been suggested that as worms can cause such serious damage you seek a second opinion from a different vet. You have not. Maybe you don't think it's important enough? Perhaps you're trying to save money? Who knows....

Yes, I'm a responsible breeder. Yes, I 'sell my pups for money'. I don't however, make any money. In fact, my hobby has cost me tens of thousands of pounds and one litter every few years or sometimes less often, isn't likely to make any sort of dent in that. I have homes waiting before I even mate my bitch, properly health test (something you have not done so your pups could be at risk of hip dysplacia) am able to plan and work my bitch before I mate her as well as correctly during her pregnancy and already know how to look after puppies correctly, plus have many experienced people I can turn to if I do need advice, so do not need to ask on Internet forums the most basic of questions. Odd though, that you'd listen to advice on one thing but not others from the same people on the same subject...

You are the only person who thinks you are right on this issue, does that not give you a bit of a clue?!

No.

You didn't read what I wrote.

It's not the puppies who run the risk of larvae travelling around their bodies and embedding into tissue.

It is humans. Usually children.

But more importantly, the worm burden in the pups will be high. There's no doubt of that.

Still.

You think you know best.

I still remain confused about why on earth you are asking for advice though.

You are so RUDE when it isn't advice you like. Why?

The long and the short of it is that you are a backyard breeder, whether you like it or not. Your mating was unplanned.

Taking the moral high ground by pretending your puppies are not for sale just so you can insult us some more is incredible.

Of course your puppies will bloody well be for sale. You have said you will pay the rescue to take your dogs; that's the first sale. The rescue will insist that the new owners pay to take a puppy. There's the second.

The advantage of selling them to a rescue is the rescue will use their EXPERIENCE to sell the puppies to good, well matched, checked new homes and will insist they are neutered too so they won't end up in the same position as their Mum is. It's not about making puppies for free, nor for rehoming them at no charge. Everyone has costs; and a live animal has a measurable value which is exactly how it should be.

Pot and kettle? I can see it. I expect you can't.

Yup, making a donation to a dog rescue is a 'sale'. In the same category as breeding and selling pups for money. lol.

Whatever. like i said, I will follow the advice from my vet. it is laughable that you think that i will ignore my vet and follow the advice of some evangelical busybodies in the puppy trade.

i asked for people's experience with feeding pups natural foods. that is it. i didn't ask for your opinion on worming, so you should have backed off when I said that I have talked with my vet and am following her advice. i think it is very rude of you to call me names and cast aspersions on my vet because she does something different from yours.

But you asked for our advice. Information about weaning a pup is only going to be available from someone who has actually done it. A breeder.

That's who has answered. And worming is part of weaning. It is my best advice.

You would obviously prefer to ignore it. I can't make you do anything else.

Good luck with the puppies. I will leave you to it now.

This is really annoying me. The OP asked a very specific question about food, specifically whether sardine pate would be ok for her pups. I am not sure that this question has even been answered properly. The majority may be right with respect to the worming but that was not the question that was asked. Then people get cross if unsolicited advice is rejected - ok, not very politely rejected - but then again I do agree with Flatbread that the tone was a bit patronizing. If Flatbread had asked whether she should go against her vet's advice and then reacted like that, I would be more sympathetic. I, for one, would be very uncomfortable going against the advice of a vet I trusted, on the basis of advice from strangers on the internet. If I didn't trust the vet, I would find another vet. Then again, I would never dream of asking for advice on anything - animals, children, jobs, anything - on here because of the flaming people get when they dare to reject unsolicited advice. I am trying to wean myself off MN for that very reason.

Summerson Midori and daisydotandgertie are experienced dog owners their advice is well meant and accurate. If you read all their other posts you will see how much knowledge and experience they have in dog care. If the OP is to do own research she will also see that they only one giving conflicting advice is her vet. If she asks another vet she will be given the same advice as she is getting here. It is generally common knowledge and not off the wall advice she is being given.

The implications of her not taking notice and researching this further will cause considerably suffering to her pups and bitch hence the urgency of some posts for the OP to do something about the situation.

Frankly you guys are bonkers. I really don't care when you deworm your dogs. Anyway, I am out of here, this is truly more of a fanatical nut-house that a dog discussion forum

Poor Flatbread

I see all the other posters haven't learnt yet that you are always right and all of the other posters, all saying the same things are all wrong.