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DB dog keeps killing cats

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SucksToBeMe · 09/01/2012 14:18

I feel sick to my stomach,My brothers Jack Russell has mauled/killed at least two cats. Now I have fallen out with EVERYONE in my family as I am going to report him.

The dog has been vicious towards my DS(2) and bitten him twice. (DS was not taunting him,DS was sat on the sofa.) The dog is now banned from my house,resulting in my brother not talking to us for over a year.
My brother has taught the dog to behave like this and sets him on cats and has also put the dog in a dustbin with rats. He finds this all funny.
The last time the dog killed a cat was when it jumped into somebodies garden and mauled the cat to death. My brother just left the cat in the garden for that poor family to find in the morning. :-(
I could write for hours about the arguments that i have had with him over this. I have been in tears PLEADING with him to at least put a muzzle on him or keep him on the lead. My brother tell me to "f* off and jog on' that it is "cruel" for dogs to wear muzzles.
I feel like i have no other option than to report him. I have my own cat and its unbearable to think that these people will be stood at their back door calling their cat that won't be coming home. :-( My bother won't tell me where thses cats are as I want to lets these people know.
Does any body have any idea who I report this all to? Council /police/RSPCA?

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goingtoofast · 09/01/2012 14:19

How awful.

Call your councils dog warden for advice.

ilovesprouts · 09/01/2012 14:23

report to rspca cruelty line ,the dog bit your ds twice ,id of been on to the police sharpish ,how old are you both

ChickensGoMeh · 09/01/2012 14:31

Well, your brother is an arsehole. I'd report him for animal cruelty. Not sure if that means the dog will be PTS, though :(

wildfig · 09/01/2012 14:38

Absolutely appalled - not at the poor dog who's being goaded into following its basic ratting instincts, but your brother for being so cruel and stupid, and probably condemning his own dog to death, when someone reports this to the police.

If he can train a dog to do this and find it funny, I'd hate to think what he'd do next. Dog fighting? I would definitely report him for animal cruelty. You might be saving not just a few more cats, but a child from a very nasty bite, if he has so little control over it. And I'm really not one of the 'all dogs are slavering killers' brigade.

tigana · 09/01/2012 14:46

Your brother is an arse. You should definitely report, but I don't know who is best (police, rspca, dog warden).

The dog is a victim, and if it does have to put to sleep because of this, it is your brothers fault, not the dogs (and certainly not yours).

ScarlettIsWalking · 09/01/2012 14:48

Jesus that is sick :(

Well done for reporting him.

SucksToBeMe · 09/01/2012 15:02

ilovesprouts I am 32 and my brother is 28(!!).

wildfig it has gone further i'm afraid. He works within the travelling community,and they have fighting cocks. It's all very underground and he tells me that they meet up with a group of chinese men who have bought their fighting birds for £2000. I had reported them to the police but they needed more information and evidence. Which is very hard to gather as its all done in secret.
The dog is a victim in all this tigana and is loyal friend to my brother. Thank you for all your replies.

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theothersparticus · 09/01/2012 15:09

That's horrifying, I own cats and one of my fears is letting them out and not having them return with no idea where they have gone.
He may be your family but your brother should not be allowed to keep dogs or an other animal, you must report him to the RSPCA or local warden, he is engaging in animal cruelty. Reporting him may mean that he won't talk to you again but it help the people around him a lot

wildfig · 09/01/2012 15:10

Well done - it puts you in a terrible position, but you're doing the right thing. That poor dog (and poor cats, obv). Sad

Scuttlebutter · 09/01/2012 15:56

OP, I am really really sorry to hear this. Unfortunately your brother is a hardcore terrier man, and therefore he will genuinely see nothing wrong at all in his dog killing cats, rats or other animals. In fact, he will see this as something to be proud of in that it proves his dog has a good track record in killing. He will almost certainly be using the terrier to dig or be set on other things and will know people who are involved in dog fighting too, as well as other illegal activities which I certainly won't go into detail about here.

I am aware the RSPCA prosecuted a greyhound owner last year whose dog attacked and killed a cat while out walking on a lead. The rspca argued that this was preventable and that therefore it was right to prosecute under the animal welfare act (this is one of the reasons why I am such an enthusiastic advocate of muzzles). However, given your brother's criminal associates, I'd suspect it's highly unlikely the neighbours (who owned the cat) would be willing to make an official complaint. If they are willing, then the rspca should be their first port of call. You could also talk to your local Council Dog Warden about the incident of the dog biting your DC, but again, you would need to be willing to go to court and the dog will almost certainly be PTS as a result.

I would also have a talk with your police force's Wildlife Liaison Officer (every force has one) who will be their resident expert on animal related crime. Even if they do not themselves take up this matter, they will contact with others who do. The RSPCA for instance does have a small unit of undercover inspectors who do some very good work on breaking up dog fighting/badger baiting rings - however this is extremely dangerous work and prosecutions are rare/expensive, and often the result of years of planning and work.

I think it's difficult for some people to understand, but there are large swathes of people who think that what your brother does is perfectly legitimate and is a cultural norm (both within the travelling community and outside it). I am sorry to have to say this, but in general the situation with travellers is not helped by the fact that police are often very reluctant to intervene so sites can be a black hole for animal issues ( I see a lot of this with greyhound/lurcher rescue, and in the way they treat their horses, but that's a whole other story).

I think you are very brave to stand up to your family and you are setting a great example to your DC. That takes real courage to go against something which is OK for everyone else. Please don't give in.

SucksToBeMe · 09/01/2012 17:33

scuttlebutter thank you so much for your brilliant post. I wish he would just put a muzzle on the dog. You are totally correct about the people he associates have led him to believe that this all comes under the term 'country sports'
I make him sound like a thug, but he does have his good points. Just before xmas he was fishing by a lake and a lady who was walking her dog was sexually assaulted. He went staight to her aid and held the man until the police arrived.
But he does need to be reported,I pray that once the authorities have spoken to him,that it will shake him up and start to be
the responsible owner that the dog deserves.
I need a drink

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noddyholder · 09/01/2012 17:36

You are doing the right thing

MrsZoidberg · 09/01/2012 18:28

I can't add anything to help, but just wanted to say Well Done for standing up to him.

miacis · 09/01/2012 20:19

Good for you and well said scuttle

mollymole · 09/01/2012 20:46

I too cannot add to this but do please make sure that he is reported to Police/ RSPCA etc.

I personally would have him put down (your brother, not the dog).

SucksToBeMe · 10/01/2012 00:04

GrinGrin @ mollymole

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diddl · 10/01/2012 13:41

Well done for doing something about this.

And as for the dog going into someone´s garden-does he have no control of it at all?

I´d like to put him in a dustbin with some rats!

Ephiny · 10/01/2012 15:11

This is awful, you're doing the right thing in reporting, definitely. I would be worried too about the possible outcome for the dog, but you can't let things go on like this.

How can it be 'country sports' - maybe that would make some sense if it was wild animals, but someone's pet cat, in their own garden? Shock How can he possibly justify that? Even if it was a one-off accident, surely any normal person would be horrified and apologise to/compensate the owners as best they could - and make absolutely sure it never ever happened again!

Scuttlebutter · 10/01/2012 16:30

Ephiny, the reason you're shocked is that you're not looking at it like a terrier man. If a man "works" his dogs (whether that is for rats, rabbits, badgers, foxes, deer etc) the dog is valued according to its willingness to "take on" quarry, regardless of whether that quarry is a legal prey or is indeed a non prey species (such as a domestic pet). In the world of working dogs, a dog that "has a go" is worthy of praise. In many cases, this leads to absolutely terrible injuries to the dog as well as the quarry. I've been to terrier shows up in the valleys where a dog with scars is widely praised and seen as being badges of honour. It really is a difficult world to get your head around because its values (if we can call them that) are so different. I see this a lot with what I do with greyhounds/lurchers, but also through connections doing badger protection work - exactly the same principles apply.

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