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Fish4dogs - is it the best for sensitive stomach dog who can't have raw?

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Solo2 · 19/11/2011 15:55

Rollo - 10 month old golden retriever pup - had had recurrent diarrhoea which has been controlled by medication for several months now and is totally fine and v v gradually withdrawing from meds. He currently is on vet prescribed Royal Canin Sensitive and I have no intention of moving him from this until he's completely settled off all meds. for some time.

However, the vet school hospital (where he was twice an inpatient) told me that a) he must NEVER have a raw food diet as the bacteria in raw meat would be an anathema for a dog with a bacterial overload of the guts already and a sensitive stomach b) should change from the Royal Canin as the duck in it is too fatty c) should go onto - lifelong - a high quality kibble.

From this brilliant forum, I seem to deduce that Fish4Dogs is highly recommended. So - given there's still time to research and think - would most of you agree, if you just can't do the raw food diet and have sought a top quality kibble for sensitive tummy dogs? Or would you recommend something else? Doesn't matter how much it costs - the thing that matters most is that Rollo is happy with it and it keeps him healthy lifelong.

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interregnum · 19/11/2011 16:03

Heights Farm Salmon and Potato is well regarded I beleive for sensitive tunmmies,

nerfmum · 19/11/2011 16:50

Autarky is good, wheat and gluten free www.autarkyfoods.com/

WoodRose · 19/11/2011 16:57

My puppy has a very sensitive tummy. I normally feed her raw, but I keep a bag of Origen for emergencies (i.e. I have forgotten to take her food out of the freezer, again! Grin). I had tried her on Fish4Dogs, but it didn't appeal to her taste buds or her tummy. I believe they have been sold to Royal Canin, so you may want to take opinions from current users. My puppy still has soft poos when I feed her Origen, but at least they are not liquid and green (bleuurghh).

So glad to hear that things seem to be progressing with Rollo. Smile

batsintheroof · 19/11/2011 17:09

How about this Barking heads sensitive dog food

minimuu · 19/11/2011 17:21

aaaaargh when will some vets catch up with nutrition in dogs!!!!!! I totally expect you to do just what your vet suggests Solo after all you have been through. But just for the record.

A few facts about raw diet. Dogs that are feed a raw diet have (will run off and find the report) much higher ability to deal with bacteria overload than dogs fed on kibble. Dogs on raw diet (even dogs with a history of GI disorders) over time have a better balance of stomach acids and ability to deal with harmful bacteria.

Also raw diet is not high in bacteria

I am so glad that things with Rollo have settled down - I hope things are easier for you to Solo

Also there is no way I would pay £57.00 for dog food that contains beet fibre and brewers yeast - they are having a laugh!!!!

misdee · 19/11/2011 17:29

what minimuu said :)

ralph did not as senstive tum as your boy, but was the one with the senitive tum out of my dogs he is thriving on raw food diet and health has improved. no squitty poo's since starting raw diet

cedmonds · 19/11/2011 18:22

fish for dogs has a very high salt content. Try www.symplypetfoods.co.uk/
We have got a shephered who is very similar to rollo and its the only food that she has been healthy on and not at the vets all the time .

Solo2 · 20/11/2011 12:04

Thanks everyone. I had hoped to put Rollo on raw food and include bones, as his breeder had suggested - to fulfil his need to chew everything and anything. But the vet school vet was adamant I shouldn't go near raw food.

Minimu, can you give me a link to any report that suggests otherwise? One vet at the ordinary practice we go to, had long ago suggested we give Rollo a far wider, varied diet with kitchen scraps included - so he wouldn't develop a sensitive stomach oevr the course of his life. But after that, he just got recurrent diarrhoea so many times that the vet school were convinced he shoudl have a lifelong restricted diet to a high quality kibble only - and no treats at all.

Other than tiny pieces of cheese within which he gets his antibiotics twice a day, he has no access to anything at all and wears amuzzle at all times he's out and about. He does manage to chew skirting boards and wooden handles off all the lower kitchen drawers!! but that's it and his poos are currently perfect and he only poos about 2 to 3 times a day these days not 4 +.

IF he can't ever go on a raw diet, which of all the recommended kibbles would be best? There have been so many suggestions from different people on other food related threads that I'm muddled as to what to do for the best. I HAD thought Fish4Dogs was good but it seems not. I've never heard of SymplyPetFoods but it sounds good. Many thanks.

What I don't want to do is keep trying several types and never staying long enough with one to know if he's OK with this. I also won't be changing anything at all until he's managed (if he can) to withdraw from antibiotics and still NOT get diarrhoea. It was 5 days after he came off them last time that he developed awful diarrhoea again so I won't be convinced he's OK until we're 2 to 4 weeks without them and that won't be for a while still.

Another reason to keep him on kibble is that I give all food in a food treat ball so that he's occupied for about 20 mins eating and thus distracted from chewing or barking (his two remaining issues!).

I've not completely written off raw food but would need to see him stabilised on some kibble and meds free and developmentally more mature to dare to try it, given the strongly worded advice against it by the vet school.

He's been on a sleepover with his trainer and her 3 dogs - including one she recently fostered. Rollo has apparently been the only dog so far to get the rescue dog to play and has been v therapeutic for her. Although it's v expensive for him to stay with his trainer, he adores her and her dogs and I get some much needed time for the DCs and my business. It really has helped me to cope with a puppy and all my other life demands, by having some 'respite care'. Presumably it's not too different from anyone letting their dog stay with a trusted relative, either if they go on hol. or go out or are working. Still do feel guilty of course but it seems like a win-win situation for everyone, including the dogs (except for my purse!)

Otherwise, Rollo has turned out to be absolutely perfect - gentle, laid back (no fear of fireworks etc), easily trained, adores people and gets on really well with other dogs. It's my life that's the problem really, not him! Even the DCs have got used to an hr long walk every single night no matter what the weather, in jet black darkness!

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ClaimedByMe · 20/11/2011 12:17

My mums vet recommended 'chappie' for her sensitive dogs tummy, they had tried raw meat, expensive dried foods, he had been to the vet at least once a month with diarrhea needing tablets, pastes, injections, he even had blood tests - since being on the chappie never had diarrhea!

louby86 · 20/11/2011 23:48

Our dog has symply and loves it, we had it based on vet recommendations and then found that the man who owns our local independent pet shop feeds it to his dogs too. Although we only have a puppy and it's only the second lot of food he's ever had. He does poo a lot less than what he was on before which we were told was a good sign? And it's proper instead of runny (sorry, you probably didn't want to know that!)

randomness · 21/11/2011 21:13

I've read a few of your posts about Rollo with interest because my rescue dog is about the same age and we had similar problems when he came to us, horrible constant runny poos which didn't shift when we changed food.
We tried several different kibbles and wet foods, expensive and cheap, the nearest to normal he got was with Chappie but still 10+ poos a day.

Honestly, if I hadn't read about a raw diet on here and taken the leap of faith to start him on it I don't think we could have coped with him, the change is incredible and he's never looked back. He's the dictionary definition of a happy, healthy dog :)

Reading 'Give Your Dog a Bone' by Ian Billingshurst put so much into perspective for me, and for my dog at least the results speak for themselves.

I'm pretty cynical when it comes to following medical advice in general, and I wouldn't be ruling out something that just might be the solution just on the say-so of a vet, they might be the best vet in the world but it's still just their opinion at the end of the day, until you try it who's to know?

( minimuu , I think it was you gave me advice a few months ago when we were toying with the idea of raw, thank you again, our dog took to it wonderfully and eats anything and everything :o )

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