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Advise needed on new dog.

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Hicidycup · 07/11/2011 22:36

Hi, I have been thinking about getting a dog, a small one, as I have young children. Can anybody tell me what sort of costs would be involved. I want to make sure that I can afford to look after it before making the commitment but to be honest I'm not sure where to start other than food and insurance and I'm not even sure how much these cost.

Thanks

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Housewifefromheaven · 07/11/2011 22:49

Hi, well I have a small dog and so far other than the initial outlay she hasn't cost too much extra. Food is around £15 every 2-3 weeks, flea/worm £6 ish per month. The most expensive thing is insurane which is £32 per month with pet plan for life cover. You can get cheaper though, just make sure you read the small print as I've heard some horror stories! Plus my pup is a pug and they are generally thought of as high maintenance. Just like me:)

What breed are you after? I did want a jack at one point, till a vet told me they are super intelligent and quite bossy. Couldn't have a dog more clever than me!!!!!

blonderedhead · 07/11/2011 23:32

I would advise you to contact a NO KILL rescue and get them to match you with a suitable dog for your lifestyle. Small dogs can be hard work.

If only there were an expert on here who could help further.

ps Don't forget insurance.

GrimmaTheNome · 07/11/2011 23:43

Having the dog looked after if you go on holiday can be another big cost if you don't have a friend/relation willing and able to help with this.

We have a standard dachshund, and DH reckons somehow he costs £2000 pa (though that may be because we had more than usual hols abroad this year)

NotMostPeople · 07/11/2011 23:50

Beds - we have two. Crate if you're getting a puppy. Lead, collar, dog shampoo, blankets, toys, chews, training treats, waterproof coat/wellies (you), dog training classes, book, bowls x 2, dog coat depending on breed.

Am seriously considering a steam mop too.

toboldlygo · 08/11/2011 00:08

The cost is nothing compared to the responsibility of walking, training, toileting etc., it really is a daily grind and a huge commitment, no matter the size of the dog.

That said, mine cost me about 2k a year excluding competition fees and specialist gear which easily doubles that amount.

GrimmaTheNome · 08/11/2011 00:11

Can I just say - you're very sensible to think this through at an early stage! Any other questions - now is the time Smile

Scuttlebutter · 08/11/2011 01:48

Here is a c & p from another thread recently on this topic.

I'd like to talk about some things to consider BEFORE taking on a dog. Firstly, money. I'd say pet insurance is vital, including Third Party cover, plus you should also budget for regular worming, flea treatments, vaccinations, dental work (often not covered by insurance), grooming for many breeds, nail clipping etc. Then there's food. Plus holiday arrangements - consider kennels, dog boarding etc. Dog should attend training classes regularly.If you are out for much of the day, dog will need services of dog walker. You will need either a crate or a dog bed, plus a supply of toys, lead, coats (for some breeds), brushes. Your car will need to be made safe for carrying dog - either dog crate, dog guard, seat belt, plus probably a blanket etc for covering surfaces. Budget for extra and more thorough house and car cleaning. There WILL be accidents so you will need to replace things like rugs and ensure sofa covers are washable. Your garden will need to be made secure, with high, solid fencing, that cannot be jumped over or tunnelled under. Many dogs like digging holes, wee on the lawn and create patches, trample over seedlings, fall in the pond, and generally create havoc.
Even if you have insurance, many policies require an excess to be paid, plus some require payment up front which is then reclaimed - if you don't have access to a credit card, this could be difficult.

Secondly, mess. If you are a dog owner, dog hair is a condiment. Dog hair gets in places you didn't think was possible. On your clothes, in your bed, in your suitcase. You will have muddy pawprints, vomit, blood, pee and poo to deal with, though usually not all at the same time. grin Dogs smell. Wet, muddy dogs with long hair smell a lot. Lots of dogs have truly amazing and satanic farts. Some dogs are very messy feeders and like nothing better than liberally spraying the kitchen floor with tripe fragments or even better, hiding them under your pillow for later retrieval. Waggy tails knock things off coffee tables and shelves. Dogs like sniffing, chewing the most ridicolous and inappropriate things - your shoes, your delicate embroidery, your carefully wrapped present that you were about to give to your MIL, etc... If you like white sofas, Diptyque candles and have mega posh minimalist kitchen then a dog is probably not for you.

Thirdly, time and ties. Dogs are a tie. Kids will eventually grow up and at least they can bugger off to Brownies every week. Dogs don't. Responsible owners (and why would you want to be any other sort?) don't leave them for too long. This can be a damn nuisance. If you want to go on holiday, go away for the weekend, then either you need to find somewhere where woof can go too, or you will need to pay handsomely for a kennel/home boarder (see money section above) and groan as you realise that kennel costs in high season are as expensive as taking another person to the Costa Semolina. Dogs need plenty of exercise and regular training such as going to classes (essential for puppies/new dogs) - think also about activities such as agility, obedience, cani X etc - these keep your dog socialised, stimulated and happy but again they take time, commitment and money. For many breeds you will need to be looking at two walks a day, probably for at least an hour each. Some breeds will need even more.

If you can cope with all of the above, and still want a dog, then brilliant! But there's nothing wrong with thinking it through and deciding the commitment is not for you. Better that than a homing that goes wrong.

Hicidycup · 08/11/2011 07:29

Thank you for all your replies, I will read them when I return. Smile

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Hicidycup · 08/11/2011 07:34

Just to add, I work from home otherwise I wouldn't consider having a dog as I just wouldn't have the time. Also have a back garden for doggy to run about and some nice local parks for walks etc.
I have never had a dog before so looking at food etc, I just don't know what they eat/how much they eat and vet trips they need etc didn't realise insurance would be £30+ a month either.

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GrimmaTheNome · 08/11/2011 07:49

The insurance is expensive, and doesn't cover yearly vaccination booster and there's usually an excess so it doesn't really cover one-off vets visits either - but its vital if your dog has something seriously wrong with it.

Did we mention neutering yet?

One of the ways to minimise the risk of aquiring a dog with problems is to make sure you get it from somewhere reputable! (Hopefully this is obvious but it isn't to everyone). That means either a good rescue (if you hint where you live, someone will hopefully be able to suggest somewhere near you) or from a good breeder.

Hicidycup · 08/11/2011 08:37

I am in Kent. I have looked on the Internet for rescue centres but could find much, so of anyone knows of any that would be helpful. Smile

I was thinking about possibly a chihuahua or something similar in size, have heard good things about them, have also herd jack Russell's can be a bit harder work as poster above mentioned. Nothing as small as those miniature dogs though, that might be a little too small with the kids and everything.

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Hicidycup · 08/11/2011 08:39

Oh yes, please tell me about neutering, boys and girls. Was thinking of a boy but again is there any difference? Have seen boys are less money but not sure why.

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Scuttlebutter · 08/11/2011 08:44

If you have very small children, a tiny dog like a Chihuahua could be very easily trodden on. You might be better off getting a slightly larger dog, say spaniel sized, but still manageable.

Female dogs sell for more than males because people can potentially breed from them, and this can be seen as a source of income. Nothing to do with temperament. However, if you are getting a dog from a rescue, it will already be spayed/neutered, and will be behaviourally assessed.

LordOfTheFlies · 08/11/2011 08:51

I don't have small DCs (youngest is 9) but I don't have a dog either.
If I was thinking small dog, I'd be thinking along the spaniel route too. I don't know the order of size (is it KC, Cocker, Springer? Might be wrong)

I've been lead to believe(no personal evidence) that females can 'herd' small DCs as well. If I was the dog's mum, I'd go for a male personally.

And don't forget you'll be on cleaning/feeding/wiping muddy paw duty, DCs won't do this Grin. (They might help prepare the food with you,depending on age)

MrsSpoonFromButtonMoon · 08/11/2011 08:56

One of my personal bug bares are breeders who charge more for female pups, always makes me suspicious, IMO all pups in the litter should be the same price. A good breeder will sell you a pup on a Contract and as part of that Contract you will have to neuter your pup.

Insurance can vary a lot from area to area so it's worth getting a few quotes.

Hicidycup · 08/11/2011 09:32

But I think a spaniel will be too big in the house we are in. Plus they have LOADS of hair! Are there any short haired larger dogs? How much does neutering cost?

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GrimmaTheNome · 08/11/2011 10:22

Here is some info on neutering. It costs less for boys basically because its just their bollocks! Grin

I was thinking about possibly a chihuahua or something similar in size, have heard good things about them, have also herd jack Russell's can be a bit harder work as poster above mentioned. Nothing as small as those miniature dogs though,

Chihauhaus are about as small as they come so not sure what you meant there exactly!

Jack Russells tend to have huge amounts of energy - not lapdogs.

My shorthaired standard dachshund works well for us - not messy or smelly, and a nice size IMO. There are lots of other small-to-middling shorthairs though e.g. whippets.

Cavalier King Charles spaniels are small, but v hairy. They are usually soft as butter and good with kids but its one of the breeds you have to be particularly careful to get a good breeder to avoid medical problems.

LaurieFairyCake · 08/11/2011 10:33

I rescued a chihuaha for a few years and I couldn't toilet train it - it had been utterly neglected for the first ten years and even though I did the best I could for it I was still glad when it died as it had been a massive pain in the arse.

I've a couple of acquaintances with chihuahas and I've not met a good one yet - they don't really seem bright enough to be able to fit in with family life.

I know what I'm saying is a massive generalisation but I always think that slightly larger dogs are much more trainable and family friendly - perhaps a greyhound/lurcher type? - much less hair, really quite intelligent?

I've an 11 year old springer and I love him to pieces and he's incredibly well trained but he's still very bouncy and a bit daft even though he's getting on a bit.

Hicidycup · 08/11/2011 11:23

Grimma - I meant as in the minature chihuahuas etc that I've seen. The are smaller than the normal chihuahuas. Beagle dogs seem like another good choice, heard they are good with children and good family dogs. Short haired etc

How do you find good breeders though? There seems to be hundreds of people selling pedigree dogs, but does that mean they are the best people to go to?

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NotMostPeople · 08/11/2011 11:34

My dog came from the RSPCA who charge £100 which includes neutering, micro chipping and vaccinations, a friend has just paid £90 for her dog to be neutered. My dog insurance is with Vets Medicover who operate a one price offer regardless of bread or where you live of £28 per month. That's lifetime cover, which I think is essential. We have a lovely black and white lurcher who is short haired so we really haven't noticed any difference to the house.

I would say that I am a bit diptique candles and minimalist kitchen, but having him really hasn't had much impact on our home other than a few accidents in the early days - touch wood.

The biggest impact really is the responsibility as someone said above. Dd1 wanted to go to Alton Towers for her birthday, which we had agreed to but then we got our puppy and there was no way we could leave him all day. I am also glad that my dcs are not too young and olde enough to properly understand basic dog psychology, my youngest is 9. Even so we've had a few sharp nips.

You could search for the puppy thread that was running a while ago, it's quite off putting! We love our dog now, but it was very much like having a baby all over again in the beginning.

sununu · 08/11/2011 11:36

there is a brilliant thread a couple down from yours about taking on a dog - really all the info you could possibly want

Quodlibet · 08/11/2011 11:43

Staffies are brilliant family dogs. Good with kids and short-haired and don't shed loads of fur.
There are loads of them in rescue, which will already have been spayed. At a good rescue they will have been very carefully assessed so they will be able to find a perfect fit for your family.

Even if you don't fancy a staffy, please consider rescues before going to breeders - www.dogsblog.com will give you an idea of the range of lovely dogs in rescue, of all ages, waiting for a family.

Goldenbrown1981 · 08/11/2011 11:46

If hair is an issue then perhaps a non-shedding breed like a poodle? Although then you also have the cost of grooming (unless you can keep up with it yourself). My Mam pays about £40 every 2 months with the occassional in between £10 tidy up for special occassions.

GrimmaTheNome · 08/11/2011 11:53

How do you find good breeders though?

well, we started off by going to a dachshund show and asking around. If you have a particular breed in mind then the breed club may be a starting point. Then we found that when we were ringing round talking to breeders they'd give gen on each other.

The Kennel Club is an organisation with flaws but it does have some good advice I think:
here

As others have said, do consider rescues too - also some breeders have mature dogs needing homes, which can be better for a first-timer than a pup.
(anyone got a Kent rescue to recommend)

GrimmaTheNome · 08/11/2011 11:56

I think this is the thread sununu meant Smile