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What are the best tips for spotting backyard breeders/puppy farms?

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MotherJack · 18/05/2011 11:15

A friend of mine is looking to get a puppy. I had convinced her to go down the rescue route but she was refused by one rescue saying that as their back door opens up into a shared access which then leads to the private garden, there is no guarantee that the pup wouldn't run away before getting to the garden. I think my friend was a bit offended as she had considered this and described what she was going to do to alleviate such potential so she has now decided to go through a breeder.

We were chatting today, out with my dog, and she said she had seen an advert for pups, but was concerned as there was another advert below it with the same telephone number for a different breed of dog and thought it was probably a puppy farm. After talking further, she said that when she got her first dog the person had refused to let her see the other pups, only allowing her to see the one. I think these are clear examples of breeders to avoid like the plague, but, as I know little about breeding dogs/breeders etc I said I would ask here if anyone has something along the lines of a top ten do's and don'ts when looking for a puppy that I could pass on to her.

Thanks!

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Scuttlebutter · 18/05/2011 12:34

If your friend is determined to get a pup through a breeder, then Midori has posted some excellent questions to ask on a recent thread about this, covering health checks and so on. Good breeders will not just have a pile of pups that you rock up and choose from - generally you can expect to go on a waiting list.

Your friend should think about the breed she wants and do some serious research into the health questions/scoring she should be asking. A good breeder will ask her why she wants that particular breed and if she understand the particular responsibilities associated with it e.g. exercise requirements, need to protect growing hips etc.

The access issue does sound worrying - is she really thinking clearly about how often a tiny pup will need to go out, especially at 3 in the morning? Rescues ask these questions not to be awkward, but because dogs do get stolen, get lost if gardens or egresses from doors are not properly secure. If you are in a shared area, then although you/your family may always close doors and gates for instance, there's no guarantee that other users will, hence the concern. You mention she has thought this through - if the solution is good, then I'd try another rescue. Actually, a good breeder might also be reluctant to home where there is not a secure back garden.

You can ask the breeder if they are registered by the local authority and if they are, ask to see their most recent inspection reports. Are they KC accredited breeders? Are they recommended by the breed club? Friend should approach breedclub in first instance and ask them for a steer/recommendation. Many breed clubs have breed specific rescues - maybe this could be something to investigate?

Red flags would include: adverts on Gumtree, Epupz or similar sites. Google the mobile phone number given - if it comes up regularly, especially if for different breeds then avoid. Avoid if they are unwilling to show you the pup with its mum or offer to meet you on the motorway to hand it over. Don't buy from pet shops or pet superstores. If you do decide to visit the mum and pups to see it, and they claim it is a family situation, then ask the adult lots of detailed questions about things like the worming regime, how long they've had the bitch, stud details, etc etc. Many puppy farmers place a bitch and pups in a home for the selling to make it look like a family sale - the home takes a cut off the sale and this also keeps HMRC off the trail. If you think the "owner" is in any way dodgy, then walk away. Ask them why they chose this breed, how long they've been breeding and what do they use the dogs for after breeding? Do they show/work the dogs? If not why not? Ask them who is their vet?

Do NOT take small children with you to view potential pup. It is your choice, not the child's and you should be concentrating hard on asking the right questions and looking at the dogs.

MotherJack · 18/05/2011 12:54

Thanks, Scuttle - that's really useful! I will pass it on.

I remember Midori posting that a while back and I did search but have not found it. This is where the stickies which Val suggested a little while ago would come in handy. I wonder if HQ said no?

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MotherJack · 18/05/2011 12:59

Oh, I forgot to say, I know what you mean about the access and she learned a terrible lesson regarding it with her first dog and whilst I understand a rescue's concerns, if I were doing the homecheck I would listen to what the owner had to say as to how they would overcome the issue. The rescue dog wasn't a pup, either, so wouldn't need to go out all the time - I think he was 5!

Do you know of any King Charles Cavaliers in rescue? Wink

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Scuttlebutter · 18/05/2011 13:06

Mother, the thread with all Midori's wise words is called "What to ask when viewing puppies" Gah !! Does what it says on the tin. Hits head, wanders off for more coffee.

MotherJack · 18/05/2011 13:09

Ahhh! Thank you!! Enjoy your coffee Grin

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MotherJack · 18/05/2011 13:13

That's not the one I remember! The one I remember was way before May, so probably why I didn't see that one as I only included until April.... in case you is thinkin I is a bit thick... Grin

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BitOfFun · 18/05/2011 18:07

Cavalier Rescue.

shineoncrazydiam0nd · 18/05/2011 19:43

Yeah got one here if she doesn't stop weeing on my carpet!!!

MotherJack · 18/05/2011 19:54

Lol Shine. If it's any consolation at all I have had my un-toilet trained 9-ish year old since October last year and she has just got the toilet training thang... and only since the very first time I caught her at it over Easter! [not just touches but hugs wood]

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walkersmum · 19/05/2011 07:41

A good breeder will ask questions and interview you as if you were adopting a child! If they are happy just to part with the puppy for money then be careful.

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