Worrying about tonight still not sure what to do

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Assuming pup goes into crate with shut door at about 11.00 - chances are she will go in before but I will take her out for final wee and shut door at 11.00 like last night.

If she wakes up howling at 4.30/5.00 do I ignore till 7 or do I go down no eye contact or fuss and take her out for loo and put her back in crate until 7? Can a 10.5 week old puppy hold things in for that long or should they? I know she can as she held things in for about ten hours the first night.

Have read a couple of different schools of thought and still unsure what to do for the best.

Reading your other thread as well. You need to decide but I would strongly advise you not to let the puppy out and onto your bed.

I would let her wee last thing and then pop her in her crate. Then it is up to you whether to let her out at night or not. I would leave her to start with - I expect she will wee and poo for a few nights. ( I never go down to my puppies in the night)

She will then realise that crate means bed and quiet until you let her out in the morning.

At the moment it sounds like she is happy in her crate and will love it - however if you take her out and onto your bed she probably will start to whine when you first put her in there as that means out and on your bed.

If you do not like the poo and wee cleaning in the morning set your alarm before she starts to whine - so you are saying when she comes out and not her. You can then set it later each day until she can go for longer.

However a 10 week old puppy can easily go through the night when they realise this is what is expected off them.

It depends on the puppy really. If you don't want her ending up sleeping in your bed on a regular basis, I would take her out at 4.30/5.00 for toilet, then pop her back in the crate and ignore any further winning/barking until you want to get up at 7. At 7 try to pick a moment when she is quiet and then go to her to let her out for her normal routine. Hope this helps!!!

I would certainly take the puppy out, 10 week olds are too young to be dry the whole night and I would not want them to be forced to sleep in their own mess.

My 10.5 week old puppy goes 11-6.15 in her crate, so just over 7 hours. DH has to get up then anyway.

My puppy went from 11ish until 6ish when she was about 9 weeks old. She was really no hassle to toilet train at all. Consistency is key when doing this.

I do remember a few times she cried at 4.30/5ish and there was a thread about it, but you know I would rather get up, let her out to loo and then back in her crate and me back to bed for an hour. It doesnt take long for puppies to go a bit longer.

This too shall pass!

Thanks everyone and sorry if I am being a newbie PITA!!! However thank you so much for your responses and advice, it really is invaluable and this part of the site is new to me but oh so knowledgeable - to some it is second nature but to me - new! I really don't want to get something wrong and end up with a bigger problem later down the line. I am not a dog person historically but am very horsy so know what can go wrong with silly mistakes in the early days.

Puppy has been in and out of crate all day and has loved it - it is so weird how they are isn't it? Even though door was open she was chilling in there and gardener came to back door and was chatting away and she didn't peep, if she is out of the crate and someone comes to the door or in the house she is wary - she even had a go at my husband the other day because she didn't recognise him, we think because he was wearing shorts :) but the minute she is in her crate it is chill out..... Tonight we went out socialising and she slept through the whole thing :) I am going to put her in the crate in a minute, she has had last minute W/P so I think I am going to tough it out till 7.00.

We have a house full, one of daughters friends and MIL and FIL but all have been told to ignore her until either me or husband gets up at 7.00.

Wish us luck :) X

Did she last till 7?
When I got my pup at 11 weeks, he was able to remain dry through the night from 11 until 6:30 when I get up. He has never been locked in the crate but he has one which he chooses to sleep in.

Dont worry about being a PITA every time a new puppy/dog arrives we all have moments of 'oh shit' and ask advice. I have had GSDs for years - and dogs all my life and when we got our now 9month old I still had to ask for help because I had forgot the puppy stage!

Its like babies, once they have outgrown the 4hr feeds/weaning/teething etc you instantly forget how hard it can be and everything is rose tinted ready for the next new arrival.

Good news! She lasted till 7.00! I put her in the crate - well I say I put her in but she put herself in, I just said go to your crate and in she toddled :) just after my last post, she cried quite a bit but I had moved the crate slightly back from it's normal place into the utility room because I was so worried about her waking up the whole house. She settled after half an hour or so but then my husband and FIL came back from the pub and although they didn't talk to her or look at her she started up again! I had to stay up and MAKE SURE FIL didn't go an look at her or comfort her, he wanted to and was hovering but I stood in front of him and made sure he ignored her.

She woke me about 6.30 with some pretty low level whimpering, I waited ten minutes she settled then another bit of low level whimpering. I waited again and at about five to seven I went down and she wasn't making any noise at all. Crate was soaking but she had managed to pull the metal bowl out of the carrier - god knows how but I don't think she had been to the toilet. She went outside did a poo and wee, had her breakfast. Had a play with daughter and her friend whilst I dried her bed and is now fast asleep in the crate in the living room with my husband - her choice to go in crate, hubby was happy to have her on his lap but she chose the crate :) door is pushed to but not shut.

One little downside is because I had a house full of people and haven't been so vigilant (or they haven't!!!!) we have had two indoors accidents in the same spot, even though I have sprayed and washed. I have read that non-biological washing powder is the best though or is it biological? Will do that later and try and be very vigilant from now on.

She also seems to be getting the hang of four feet on the ground for greeting people :)

Lovely, lovely puppy - thank you all so much for helping me I am so grateful

One more thing...I thought it would be easier for her if I made her a toilet so have built her a pen at the bottom of the garden - at the moment it's all been a bit random and she is going whilst she is out in the garden but not being physically taken out to somewhere and told to wee, also if someone else sees her do it and not me they are not so quick to treat and praise.

So pen built and I put in some rags that I had previously used to clean up a wee on the carpet and a wee on the decking and put them in the toilet I figured if it smelt like a toilet she was more likely to go. She got up from her sleep I took her in, she smelt the rags, weed, we treated and praised immediately and she is very pleased with herself - bless :)

Clever girl! Sounds like it's going very well!

I always covered the crate at night with an old duvet cover,seemed to do the trick as both mine went 8 hours in their crates at night from day 1.

(Sorry to hijack thread but have been wondering about this for our soon-to-arrive puppy).
So, is it the best idea from Day 1 to put them in the crate at bedtime (after a wee), rather than, say, a basket by the bed for a few nights?
And do you shut the door on the crate at night? We will also have a stairgate at the kitchen door so he won't be able to roam.
I've been researching like mad (internet, puppy manuals, MN, friends with dogs) but am now getting totally confused with seemingly conflicting advice.
I've read that they don't like to soil where they sleep, but this'll be a tall order for an 8 week old won't it? To go all night?

Ideally you want to introduce the crate during the day, in the room where everyone is sitting and leave the door open so that the puppy can go in and out when it chooses. That way it does not associate the crate with being shut in or punished. You want to keep this up for a few days (put chews and treats in there to make it more welcoming and move the puppy in there when she is sleeping) until the puppy decided to go in by himself.

Provided the crate is small enough for the puppy (i.e. about as large as a bed appropriate for that size puppy, with room to stand up, turn around and lie down), the vast majority of puppies will avoid going to the toilet in there. If the crate is too large, they may designate one area toilet area, or if they are left in there for so long that they physically cannot hold it in, then they will of course have to go no matter what.

The first few nights are a difficulty. You do have to shut the door otherwise the puppy will wander about and soil, but 8 hours is too long for most puppies to keep dry. You may be extremely lucky and have a puppy that can make it 8 hours, otherwise when he cries pick him up and take him directly in the garden for toilet, then straight back in the crate. Don't talk to him or play with him, this is just a toilet break. If he cries after that you will need to ignore it. If you are happy to have the crate in your bedroom he may settle a lot more quickly, but any habits you establish now are likely to last so if you want him to eventually sleep in the kitchen for example, it's best to get him used to that from the beginning.