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MotherJack · 15/04/2011 16:46

I was wondering if you were around tonight you could give me some advice before tomorrow (I'm off on holiday with no access to a computer).

I don't know the full details, but someone I know who runs a rescue has a chocolate labrador/staff cross who was abused until 2 years of age - kept in a crate, fed through the bars and kicked/beaten. He was rehomed but it didn't work out and the rescue now have him. He's 4. They have had him a few months, maybe 2 or 3 at a guess.

Up until 2 days ago, he was walking and playing fine with other dogs and was extremely friendly with people, even overcoming his initial reservations with females. I met him last Sunday and he was just a lovely, friendly waggy boy, looking for affection.

As of today he has now gone for the volunteer walker, the rescuer herself, biting her 6 times and lunged aggressively at other dogs, including the rescuers own dog who he got on really well with before. He then went back to his normal self.

Would you have any idea why a dog would suddenly behave like this?

Thank you.

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minimu1 · 15/04/2011 19:28

My first port of call would be the vets urgently. You will need to get him checked over physically. Any sudden change in behaviour may easily have a physical cause.

I would want to be asking loads of questions.

Does the rescue have behaviourists that it uses?
Where is it based if I am not asking tmi.
If this was a case of mine I would want to know
Why the dog was rehomed the second time?
Does he bark a lot?
Does he show signs of stress, licking, pacing etc?
Does he yawn, stick his tongue out of avoid your gaze?
Does he sniff the ground a lot?
Does he know basic commands?
What exactly was happening the first time he reacted?
Was he caged or running free when he bit?
What was the rescuer doing?
What else was happening eg dogs running free, other people or animals around?
What has changed however small in the last 2 days?
You mention initial reservations with females is that bitches or people?
What condition is his coat in?
Has he shown any reactive behaviour at all over the last 3 months?
How has he reacted when meeting new dogs before this?
How has he reacted when meeting new people before this?
Does he guard his food?
Can you groom him ok?
I would be more than willing to come and look if localish!

A dog with a difficult past can be reminded of situations by every sense, it may even be a smell, or a mannerism that has unsettled him. But to be honest this does sound more than that.

I would be very interested to hear of the vets findings

Hope you have a good holiday!

MotherJack · 15/04/2011 19:43

Thank you Minimu. A lot of that I can answer, but I have cut and paste the whole lot and asked her to answer. His coat is excellent and he sniffs the ground constantly, but I am sure there is more to it than that so I will cut and paste her answer. I'm leaving at lunch tomorrow, but may get the odd computer session on hols if I ask nicely! Rescue is based in Nottingham. I'm currently trying to help her with funds as they are in debt and can't afford their own behaviorist atm.

I'd pay for seeing a vet this time myself for her as she has probably got to the point of no more credit. Hopefully she will see the message I have sent her and I'll be able to post again.

Thank you so much Minimu. It really means a lot.

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minimu1 · 15/04/2011 19:58

Sniffing the ground can be a sign of high anxiety - it is a sort of displacement activity. I can't deal with things so I will sniff instead!! Or it could just be that he likes sniffing! So would have to see the dog to advise properly

Nottingham is a bit far up but I will ask a colleague who is a bit nearer and she may be able to pop in - (no charge for rescues)

Do yell or pm if I can help at all - I am more than willing to. It would be great to get to the bottom of the problem and then find a suitable home where he can relax for the rest of his days.

MotherJack · 15/04/2011 20:25

Oh Minimu - I hope you can help. She is now totally rewriting the write up I did, based on his behaviour last Sunday and for the last couple of months (she has had him 3 months) as it was all positive. It has most certainly changed by he sound of things. Part of the problem may be that he will not get along with cats and small animals - and she rescues them all - so lives in the kitchen. I have no doubt he is loved and cared for at all, but he can't live in the house as a whole with the family. Her responses to your questions are below:

We have worked with james conroy before, but like I said we cant finacialy support this anymore..

In nottingham

the second time he wasnt rehomed, he was taken in by a couple rescuing him because he spent 2 years locked in a cage, fed through bars and beaten we think too. (I'm adding this - I know they took him to the vets to be PTS as they said he jumped up at them baring his teeth - the vet refused and this rescue were contacted. They have observed him to be lovely (not last 2 days) and have noted his top lip does get stuck on his teeth somewhat.)

He hardly barks.

When he first came in he showed signs of stress and fear, very clear body language of avoiding eye contact and looking away, lip licking, cowering and cautious.. No yawning though to defuse and ease a situation..

He is constantly sniffing the ground non stop!!

He knows sit, bring it, drop and leave it and now wait at door ways.. But only indoors. When out on walks everything is blanked out, he wont even respond to his name!

When he reacted on both times to me and the volunteer we was only walking and talking as normal, this happened out side and was a proper full on go, esp at me! he wasnt caged and was off the lead in a secured fenced and gated park. Nothing else happening, we were walking and talking as usual.

Nothing has changed at all, everything is done by routine and structure.

His coat is excellent as is his health (vet checked, neutered, vaccinated and chipped) (Again, this bit I'm adding - he won't have gone in the last couple of days - I know her as I'm trying to help them raise funds as they are in massive debt with the vet)

never shown any reactive behaviour at all since being here, this started last weekend with the dogs and yesterday with me and the volunteer..

When he first came we socialised him with alot of dogs, he was scared of bigger dogs, very clear body language but soon over come that and made lots of doggy friends. But last weekend that started changing for some reason and then he started lunging and going to attack them, even the female staffy he dotes on. The only dog he is still getting on with is the volunteers 14 year old male staffie cross.

When he first came in he would meet new people cautiously, again avoiding eye contact, lip licking.. We built his confidence up and after just a week he greeted new comers with a wagging tail and gentle confidence.

No he doesnt guard his food or bowl but can be protective over his toys which is why i taught him to bring it, drop it and leave it for me to pick up.

He can be groomed all over, let me check his teeth, ears and paws etc..

If it is possible for her to come see him in the home enviroment and also out on a walk that would be great.. Would this cost us though?

More of your thoughts would be much appreciated Minimu. Thanks a lot for your time.

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minimu1 · 15/04/2011 20:41

Can you describe the proper full on:
did he bite,
break the skin,
did he hold onto the skin
how did you stop the attack
What was his behaviour like after the attack
Did he go from one of you to the other
Was he the only dog
Was he ahead of you and then turned back to attack
Where there any toys involved
Where you are he volunteer close to each
was he between the two of you

I've emailed my colleague and asked her to come to the rescue. I think whe may be at an agility show this weekend in which case I will speak to her tomorrow - no charge to you guys at all.

MotherJack · 15/04/2011 20:55

I have put the questions to her, Minimu, but I know she is on the evening shift with the animals so am about to contact you via message with her details, given my imminent holiday.

Thanks ever so much, once again.

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