Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

The doghouse

If you're worried about your pet's health, please speak to a vet or qualified professional.

Help us decide on a breed/dog/puppy/decision!

27 replies

Elibean · 05/04/2011 10:40

Pre kids I had a basenji/lab rescue dog, he was wonderful - I've always thought I'd get another rescue dog but several people at the dds' school have warned me to be very careful: they tell me about disasters they've had, and with young children I need to make sure whatever dog we get is tolerant, easy going, good with kids. Are they right? I know there's so much luck involved Confused

We're at home a lot, so no problem there (and can pay for a dog walker if out for the odd day later on) and the girls are 4 and 7. The little one is nervous of dogs that nip and jump up, so again - gentle is good, though obviously all puppies are likely to do both those things for a while, I suppose.

What breeds would you recommend, O wise women of the doghouse? Twice daily walks easy for us, but not hugely long ones most of the time - just from a time point of view. Medium or small dogs best, too - we have a decent sized garden. Should we think about gender too?? Feel so clueless, not sure where to start!

OP posts:
Elibean · 05/04/2011 11:17

ps personally, am leaning towards a golden retriever....maybe an adult rescue one...but dh says they are smelly Hmm and shed too much. He's fond of a friend's Parson's Terrier, but I've never had a terrier...not sure...

OP posts:
Vallhala · 05/04/2011 12:46

No to a puppy with young children, especially those who are not tolerant of being nipped and mouthed.

No to a Parsons or other similar terrier too unless you're a very active lot and not wanting to do long walks... they can run and run and can become arsey and destructive if bored (as can any dog, only JRT et al need more exercise than your average poodle or Staffie IYSWIM).

Long haired dogs are great as long as you have a Dyson and aren't excessively OCD about dog hair

I'm going to c&p what I jus said to another poster on Doghouse, who wants a Labrador, because it's relevant here too (and I'm too lazy to write it out again):

My Labrador's not fond of young children and if I were ever to need to rehome him, heaven forbid, I wouldn't dream of letting you adopt him therefore. My younger German Shepherd, on the other hand, adores kids. You'd all love him, I'm sure.

What I'm saying is that there is no such thing as X breed being better than Y breed - it's down to the individual dog. If a Lab's the breed you want, great, go for it, but I'd recommend that you approach rescue with an open mind and you might be surprised and find a... oh, I don't know... Boxer, Jack Russell or crossbreed who is just perfect for you and your family. I see that happening quite a lot in rescue and have done the same myself - went looking for a young little collie cross girl but the dog which I adopted and which was perfect for us was a 9 year old ruddy great long haired white German Shepherd! Best decision I ever made!

Re a rescue dog... let me put it this way...

You've met, how many parents with horror stories about rescue dogs? 5? 12? 15?

I handle and interact with 4 times that many dogs in a single day when helping in rescue. So do my children. Our hands are still on the end of our wrists and we still have all 8 fingers and 2 thumbs apiece.

For every horror story you hear they forget the tens of dogs they know which are perfect. Scare stories are as gossip-worthy as they are newsworthy. People don't talk about the rescue dog which never got out, which never chewed slippers, which never snapped because that's boring.

I have loads and loads of them though and I could (probably do!) bore your ass off with them!

People also speak of "rescue dogs" when they mean the dog they got via the free ads when the owner didn't want him. But that's not a rescue dog! Or they speak of a "rescue dog" when they mean a pound dog, which is normally one which is a stray, is completely unassessed, where the new owner has had no homecheck and there is no back-up or support. That's not a rescue dog! They may mean the dog they took off Auntie Ada because she was too poorly to keep him but that's not a rescue dog either.

A dog from a reputable and responsible rescue will be assessed, neutered, vaccinated, microchipped, matched to the new owner and vice versa, bringing with him a lifetime's support and an agreement that the rescue will take the dog back should the owner not be able to keep him, even if that's in 10 years time. A responsible rescue will also home check which is as much for YOUR benefit as the dog's, so they can identify and iron out any potential problems before they start and assess whether the dog you have chosen is right for your family and environment. Contrary to popular belief a lot of rescue dogs are not unknowns from the pound without any history but come from family homes as a result of marital breakdown, unemployment, having a new baby and "not having time" or the owner losing their home. Even then a reputable rescue doesn't just take whatever the owner says about the dog at face value but assesses that dog before rehoming him.

Finally... gender.... I'm biased, I prefer boys (not least as after years of owning them I'd forget I had a girl and would still call, "Come along boys!"). Again it's all generally down to the dog's nature though and gender is purely a matter of preference.

HTH, if I can be of any use in identifying a suitable rescue or dog, please let me know. And sorry, should have explained, I'm an independent network rescuer as well as volunteer for a private rescue and owner of 3 large mutts. :)

chickchickchicken · 05/04/2011 13:31

have to admit up front i love a challengeterriers. i have a parsons jack russell as well as a little jack russell. they are great fun, great to teach, great to take on long walks but they do require a lot of physical and mental exercise. our parsons used to go with us on 10mile walks a few times a week as well as all the daily walks and spending a few hours most days with the horse in the field........and she still had energy! really only get a jack russell if you intend to be outdoors most of every day or are happy to walk dog for a few hours a day. terriers are fantastic dogs but a bored understimulated one can be destructive. when we are out with our little one people often say they didnt know jack russells could be so well behaved - well he is only so well behaved after a lot of bloody hard work training
saying that i would second what Valhalla said about each dog being an individual.
i think rescue dogs are the best. not only are you giving a home to a homeless dog you could also be saving a dog's life. i think it is less risky rehoming from a reputable rescue where dog's behaviour has been assessed than it is getting a puppy (i have done both). unless you are an experienced dog trainer then i would only recommend a young/adult dog (not a puppy) when you have young children
i dont know much about the breed but whippets have been mentioned on here a lot recently as generally being good dogs to have with children.
good luck with whatever you decide

chickchickchicken · 05/04/2011 13:33

sorry dont know what happened there. crossed out text which shouldnt have been reads -
i have a parsons jack russell as well as a little jack russell. they are great fun, great to teach, great to take on long walks but they do require a lot of physical and mental exercise. our parsons used to go with us on 10mile walks a few times a week as well as all the daily walks and spending a few hours most days with the horse in the field........and she still had energy! really only get a jack russell if you intend to be outdoors most of every day or are happy to walk dog for a few hours a day. terriers are fantastic dogs but a bored understimulated one can be destructive. when we are out with our little one people often say they didnt know jack russells could be so well behaved - well he is only so well behaved after a lot of training

chickchickchicken · 05/04/2011 13:34

re saving a dog's life - i meant rehoming from a good rescue and freeing up a space for another dog and not rehoming directly from the pound

Elibean · 05/04/2011 13:40

Wow, thanks Smile

I've just been trawling something called 'dogblog', any thoughts on that as a reputable source of rescue dogs? I like the fact that they are fostered, and they seem careful about matching - but have no experience!

Valhalla, thank you so much for the advice, and the offer of help - I may well take you up on that, am going to talk to dh later. My last dog was a neutered male, I'd be happy with one again - or with a neutered female, for that matter, if it was the right dog. You are so right about individual mattering more than breed - one of the 'horror stories' I heard was from a friend who re-homed a young Labrador stray, from a pound in Ireland. He bit, barked, and never settled, poor love Sad

Personally, I am not at all OCD about hair - but dh otoh HmmGrin

OP posts:
chickchickchicken · 05/04/2011 13:41

would recommend a dyson animal and general lowering of standards Grin

chickchickchicken · 05/04/2011 13:43

which county/country are you in?

Vallhala · 05/04/2011 13:45

You're welcome Elibean....and I'm PMSL at chickchickchickens comment that she "would recommend a dyson animal and general lowering of standards"!

Oh so true, so true!

Elibean · 05/04/2011 14:31
Grin

I'm in SW London. Am having visions now of a Dyson with four paws, a wet nose and an appetite for dog hair!

OP posts:
Flower1000 · 05/04/2011 14:33

A lurcher, brilliant with kids and really REALLY laid back. Don't need a huge amount of walking, just letting off the lead to run round like a 'mad thing' for 10 mins then they are done.

Just keep them away from anything small and furry - such as the neighbours cat :o

Vallhala · 05/04/2011 14:39

Ah-ha!

Then may I suggest Hersham Hounds a Retired Greyhound Trust approved Greyhound rescue near Walton-On-Thames. A smaller Grey (females are often slight in comparison to males) might suit you down to the ground. Contrary to popular belief Greys don't need a lot of exercise and love nothing more than to loll on sofas. :)

Or there's Gladys at Pro Dogs Direct in Lewisham (believe they have a Kent branch too).

Or Foal Farm in Kent.

I don't recommend you Google Pro Dogs' website, they have some dogs there who will make your heart melt!

UnseenAcademicalMum · 05/04/2011 14:40

Following on from chickchickchicken's comment that whippets have been mentioned on here, if you are fussy about hair, I can definately say that whippets are good with that. No messy dog hair around and they really don't smell. Their feet are small too, which minimises mud around the house (well, that and insistance on wiping their feet with a damp cloth after going for a walk Grin)

Elibean · 05/04/2011 16:17

Don't whippets and greyhounds prefer not to hang out with small, noisy children though? I looked at re-homing greyhounds years ago, pre kids, and the organization seemed to suggest quiet, peaceful....all the things 4 year olds are not Wink

Grin
OP posts:
fourstickymitts · 05/04/2011 16:31

I second the greyhound rescue. We've had one from two years old and he is now eleven years old and has "grown up" with two of our children. He is the biggest coach potato in the house. Will come for cuddles when he wants and removes himself to his bed if he wants some peace. But, as with children and any dog, it's up to you to train the kids to leave the dog alone, and vice versa as much as the dog. Grin

buggerlugs82 · 06/04/2011 12:56

This reply has been withdrawn

This post has been withdrawn due to privacy concerns.

DooinMeCleanin · 06/04/2011 13:02

My whippet adores children. She lives for her daily school pick up walks.

A rescue wouldn't give you a dog who needed a quiet home if you have young children. She is very clean too and hardly leaves any hair, which the cat is pleased with as that is his job Hmm

BornThisWayBaby · 06/04/2011 13:35

I look after a lurcher afew days a week, VERY laid back and VERY tolerant of children (3,2 and 1 year olds!!) hes a rescue dog - don't listen to others 'horror' stories. I wish I didn't.
I also have a very hyper staff puppy, hes very patient with the kids too but overly nippy/playful. I would recommend an older dog definately.

chickchickchicken · 06/04/2011 20:12

on a recent thread with a link to greyhound rescue some of the ads specifically said dog was playful and liked playing with kids (though bear in mind sometimes having a quieter dog around kids is better depending on your circs)

Elibean · 06/04/2011 22:55

Really opening my eyes to the whippet/greyhound/lurcher breeds - I have never been hugely drawn to them, but they sound gorgeous!

I've had two dogs before, one (hugely neurotic, lab/collie cross bitch) when I was a teenager, and one (wonderful basenji/lab/godknowswhat Battersea boy) who died just before dd1 came along. First experience was rough, second one was - well, he was family. I've never cried so much as when he died, aged 14.

I know all about hoses and sleety winds...though would rather try not to think about them atm Wink

dh has fallen in love with a 4 yr old Cocker/Russell mix on a rescue site - he's in Staffordshire though, long way for a visit! Am trying not to rush or act on impulse....

OP posts:
BobLoblaw · 07/04/2011 08:43

Oh Val I just had a look, fell in love with Dee Dee and May :)

We have a 7 yr old and 4 yr old and two rescues a collieXkelpie and collieXhuntaway. They're both wonderful, they need A LOT of exercise and stimulation but they're brilliant dogs. While not everyone wants collies I would never get a dog from any where other than a rescue centre, I can't understand why there is such a stigma, our dogs were checked by a vet and a behaviourist before being homed with children and we have the back up of the rescue centres for the rest of their lives. Also my pil have two whippet Xs and they're so laid back especially compared to our two!

ellangirl · 07/04/2011 13:49

collie/whippet crosses make beautiful dogs! (but then I'm biased!) Lurcher types in general are mostly a great mix of laid back around the house but love a good run. There are so many lurcher types in rescue- a good bet IMO.

Elibean · 07/04/2011 14:23

I don't think the person who advised me against rescue dogs was basing it on stigma - she just had a bad experience (had been told the dog was lovely, great with kids etc, but it was deeply traumatized and bit/barked/didn't settle). She was left feeling mistrustfut of the organization she went to, and seems to have lumped it together with others in her mind. She'd had a great experience previously, with another organization, but now thinks she just 'got lucky'.

I can see some of the rescue organizations (reputable ones) are far, far more thorough and responsible than the one she went to though. I'm learning a lot here!

Valhalla, I will try and PM you to see if we can beg some help - be lovely to talk through our individual situation with someone Who Knows! Might not be till next week, though, as dh on course and life a leetle crazy this weekend...

OP posts:
Madondogs · 10/04/2011 21:46

do not want to sound like like the resident Golden retriever nut, but, I think that they are really great dogs with children.You need to look carefully for a good breeder,and as with any dog/ puppy you will need to train it.I do not think that they are especially smelly, but they are hairy ,and a decent Hoover is a must! I had my second Golden when my daughter was 2, and my children have grown up with them. My sisters children were 2 and 5 when she had her Golden and all the children adore them. Hope you have lots of fun and happiness whatever you choose .

Elibean · 11/04/2011 12:13

Thanks Smile have to admit, having grown up with Andrex puppy ads, I'd love a Golden....dh is resisting though Hmm

A friend is now singing the praises of her miniature Schnauzer - not a fan of minis normally, but have to admit hers is sweet and not all that miniature. I know of some that need homes, too....aaargh, what to do!

Its helping to mull over here, though - am definitey creeping towards action.

OP posts: