Puppies

[Vallhala]

After comments on AIBU about how there not being any puppies in rescue I thought I'd post these babes, who will soon be looking for people to adopt them

and while I'm at it thought I'd post this too.

Where does it say on the AIBU thread that there are no puppies in rescue Val?

Slubber, several people have said it on several threads over a period of time. This is the last you're getting from me on this subject. I answered your countless hostile questions on the recent AIBU thread about buying a puppy and I am not entering into debate with you on the subject on here.

I'm still watching the tears website even though because dhs job is wobbly we might not get another dog for now.

It wasn't AIBU it was my thead in the doghouse and I was asking where they were because I couldn't find them. I hadn't come across a fw of the places linked so asking the question helped (or not now ... I wanna puppy)

Those Weimaraners are gorgeous

sorry just actually read your reply to slubber. that will teach me

No need for apology bronze. :)

You're not the first and won't be the last to be of the opinion that pups are rare or non existant in rescue. It just needs saying that each smaller rescue is unique - some, like Many Tears, will often have pups, some deal almost exclusively with the harder to home dogs, some are experts in one particular health condition and so on. :)

I'm just going to keep looking. I know when the perfect one will come alng and I won't be able to resist but for now I'm going to try to hold off and see if we still have an income.

I hadn't come across any of the sites with pups because none of them come up when I do the logical searches for me. Rescue centres in norfolk/east anglia etc.

Fingers crossed for you and your DH.

I know the East Anglia area pretty well - it's mine too - so when you're ready, give me a shout if you'd like to and I'll do my best to help find you someone.

Thank you. We got our dog from FAITH and DH actually did some housechecking fo them for a bit then his job changed (4 yrs ago) the one before was wood green but we lived in lincs then

Just seen your post on the other thread. Can I ask what it is about the gungdog part you don't like?

Sure you can - I don't agree with killing animals and won't condone bloodsports, neither would I assist someone in sourcing a dog which was going to be used in this form of animal abuse.

Ahh ok
DH manly does clays. Thats what he does for sport anyway and to make sure hes the best shot he can be. He occasionally shoots rabbits and pheasants for food as I like to know where our food comes from. I'm not vegan so try to take responsibilty for any animal products we eat/use.
We also hatch chickens for the same thing and may do pigs now we have the space too.
I actually like to think we are kinder to animals than the average supermarket meat shopper. Much nicer to have a rabbit that has had a hppy life and then dies instantly imo. But each to their own.

We'll have to agree to differ there. I'm the grandaughter of a master butcher (when that meant something, a man who sold vennison and partridge, made his own sausages in an old fashioned shop with sawdust on the floor). As a child I spent a lot of time in the shop and often went to the meat market at silly o'clock in the morning with my late Grandad. I've seen beyond that too... :(

I've been vegetarian, and then vegan, for a total of nearly 35 years. :o

~I admire you. Have to admit I don't have as much time for vegetarians (well ones who claim its because they love animals anyway) but vegans state their opinion and stand by it. Hats off.

Oddly though we are opposite ends of the spectrum I suspect we both would find the alternative of shoddy supermarket meat the worst of all.

but anyway puppies.
the reason I'm being fussy and wanting a particular type (of a few types) is to keep dh happy but this dog will also be a pet. Mainly a pet in fact who hopefully will be incredibly well trained as dh will do a lot of stuff too.

I shouldn't have looked. Now I want one!

Val, if you do not want to enter into any more debate with me on this subject then so be it. I will make my own conclusions as to why you are unwilling to do so.

I am fully entitled to question what I see as inaccuracies on a public chat forum. If it has been previously stated on other AIBU threads that there are no puppies in rescue then of course you are fully within your right to correct this.

The most recent thread on AIBU that we engaged in debate on did not make this claim however.

As for my hostile questions.. Well I apologise if you felt they we're hostile. If you accuse people of being (indirect) dog killers I think it's safe to assume that they might take this personally and request some justification of such a label.

You don't need to draw your own conclusions, Slubber, I'm going to tell you.

Mainly, I haven't TIME. Apart from the day job and 2 kids, 3 dogs, 4 cats, a ferret and a home and fecking great garden to run singlehandedly, I have 2 unwanted and completely innocent Sheps to find rescue for, I am in the process of trying to track down a stolen Chihuahua and think I may be onto the thief, which is taking time, I am trying to get an abused Staffs into foster or rescue, I have just got a dog out of the pound and to safety free of charge for DooinMeCleanin before the dog was PTS, I have a further 5 Staffies to find rescue for, plus a Rottie, a GSD cross, a Jack Russell and two crossbreeds. I'm working on that right now, which is just as well as they'll be dead within a couple of days if I don't.

On top of that I have today secured rescue places for 2 Lurchers, a Collie cross and a Jack Russell cross. Had I not they would be dead within the next couple of days too.

Additionally, I don't want to repeat myself again, I have answered innumerable questions from you already although it's clear that we will never agree and frankly you have already taken up more of my valuable time... or, rather, that of the dogs I am trying to help, because they don't have much left... than your questions merit.

I'm happy to help rescue dogs, I'm happy to advise on rescue and I'm happy to tell it like it is at the sharp end of rescue, whether people know it, like it or agree with it or not. I'm not happy going round and round in circles to satisfy someone's argumentative streak when I could be saving lives.

And lastly, by chance I was reminded of THESE ATTROCITIES earlier today, cases which I fought and lost where the fucking cunt of an Irish pound manager wouldn't let these dogs out to safety. I sobbed like it was happening all over again at the memory of it, having managed for the past 3 years to block it all out and move on.

But THAT is the reality of the pound dog situation, THAT is what we on the sharp end of rescue face, THAT is what breeding leads to and THAT is why I don't have to justify myself to anyone.

As I said, I'm busy. Unless a dog you know of is in need of my help I won't be entertaining you again on this subject. Take a look at that link and while you're drawing your own conclusions, draw a few as to why.

Thing is Val, being tired and Doing Good Works does not give you immunity from being queried if you make insulting and inflammatory posts on a public Internet forum.

You are obviously a very busy woman doing a very difficult job. if you do not feel that you have the time or emotional energy to reply to people when you have accused them of a horrendous and barbarous acts they I advise you engage your brain before your fingers before pressing post.

Added to these there will be, if anyone's interested, a pup available in about 6 or 8 weeks from now. Mum's a Rottie, don't know yetb whether the pup is or whether he/she is a cross.

The Mum came into the pound pregnant. She had five pups at Christmas but 4 didn't make it. :(

Contact me for further info if required.

Slubber - I've only read a few posts on the other thread, but I think that I read the comment you objected to, though I may be mistaken.

The fact is that there are more dogs being bred than there are homes available - to the tune of tens of thousands (or more IIRC once you add Ireland into the equation). Thus if someone who can home a dog chooses to go to a breeder, a pet shop, or the woman down the road who wanted to let her dog have just one litter, then the reality is that a pound dog will die.

I have no problem with people going to good, reputable breeders, who healthcheck thoroughly, breed responsibly and offer lifetime back-up for their dogs. I do find it upsetting when people buy from epupz, freeads, etc, as it encourages yet more irresponsible breeding, meaning more dogs in rescue and more dogs in pounds dying.

And another, a little Lurcher pup, about 12 weeks old, is in need of rescue. Again, contact me for more information.

Dammit! So damn tired! The little Lurcher pup is in need of rescue AND a home.

Can I just add that it helps to contact the rescue centres with your details and ask them to contact you if any puppies come in.

I did this and was telephoned when they were expecting in a litter of pedigree border collies. By the time the puppies had arrived, I was already homechecked and collected our puppy the day after he arrived so he only spent one night in kennels (due to paperwork issues).

All of the pups were rehomed within an hour of arriving so doing it this way means your ahead of the game.

Laska, I'm happy that you don't have a problem with people who buy from responsible breeders and I am with you wrt folk who buy from free ads, puppy farmers and bybs.

I'm still having problems with the causality of buying from a breeder = death of a dog in a pound (and the subsequent label of being an inadvertent dog killer).

Since leaving home at 18 I have wanted to become a dog owner. I waited 17 years before the point came when I could offer a suitable environment and the time required to own a dog.

I have always loved retrievers, but spent a long time researching breeds to make sure that any dog I owned was suited to my families home and lifestyle.

I spent time thinking about the pros and cons of owning a puppy vs an adult dog. Selfishly perhaps I chose to have a puppy as I wanted to be fully involved in the socialisation process during the critical time window. I also wanted to be responsible for my dogs nutrition and training from an early age. All of these things (IMO) have an important bearing on the dog's behaviour and health as an adult dog.

Following these decisions I then researched what I should look for when buying a Labrador puppy. The list is quite long! I bang on about health tests ( hip scores, elbow scores, eye exams and option tests) but they are just the tip of the iceberg really, a quick objective test of any prospective breeder if they are up to the standards that I was looking for. There were many many other things (socialisation, nutrition of both mum and pups ) that were absolute deal breakers.

If there had been Labrador puppies in rescue that met my long, long list of requirements then I absolutely would have gone there. Are there? I try to avoid
speaking in absolutes but I think the probability is ver,y very small.

My choice was not between breeder puppy vs rescue puppy. It was breeder puppy or no dog at all. That is my choice. I am under no moral obligation to own a dog, just as I am under no obligation to own a cat a ferret or a horse.

Can I rehome a dog? Of course I can, I could probably rehome several, likewise I could rehome all sorts of other well deserving creatures. Do I want to? No.

If the argument is if you CAN but won't rehome a dog then you become an inadvertent dog killer then I will have to learn to live with that. But following the same logic I am also responsible for the deaths of cats in rescue and by following the process responsible for orphans languishing in terrible conditions in the thorps world.