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Best way to find a local breeder - want to get dh a much longed for springer for christmas

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Theantsgomarching · 02/11/2010 12:19

I know a dog is for life, we already have a westie who is loved and part of the family. My DH grew up with a springer spaniel and has always wanted one. I've always said our hands are full enough with dc's and one dog, but am now thinking it'd make a great present for him for christmas.

What is the best way to find a reputable breeder who will have puppys around this time?

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DeborahDeborah · 02/11/2010 12:22

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LtEveDallas · 02/11/2010 12:30

Does it have to be a puppy? Think of how much less hassle a ready trained young dog would be..

The rescue centre that I support (and got my much loved mutt from) currently has 6 or 7 springers needing homes - 2 are less than a year old and the others are ex breeding dogs/bitches that are around 4 or 5.

At the moment I am humming and hawing over a gorgeous Springer called Alfee (6 months) or a cute little mutt called Often, trying to decide which I want more!

Anyhow, here is a link

Please, consider a rescue before going to a breeder. Having supported this rescue for a while I am so unhappy with breeders, who dump perfectly wonderful dogs, just because they are 'too old' to breed Sad

Vallhala · 02/11/2010 12:44

I second what LtEveDallas said. Besides, no self-respecting breeder won't sell a puppy for a Christmas present or over the Christmas period.

Which leaves you with disreputable breeders...

If you want a reason for rescuing instead of going to a breeder, look no further than .

The only difference between there in Ireland and here in England is that our strays get 7 days as opposed to 5. In both countries, dogs surrendered by the owner have in law precisely no days.

Val - independent network rescuer.

Vallhala · 02/11/2010 12:45

Sorry for the typo, I meant that no self-respecting breeder will sell a puppy for a Christmas present or over the Christmas period, of course.

WoodRose · 02/11/2010 12:57

You could try Spaniel rescues or DogsBlog.

LtEveDallas - My heart melts when I see Alfee's picture. Then I look at the fear in his eyes and become very, very angry!

Looking forward to hearing how he is getting on with his fosterer. I am very tempted...

EdgarAirbombPoe · 02/11/2010 13:10

englishspringer spaniel welfare

try breed club welfare first - they may have puppies to rehome, or adult dogs which could be pre-trained.

if you really won't consider a rescue, ask the welfare member to recommend a breeder. Hopefully they will be able to recommend one who is a member of the breed club and has doneall the necessary health testing at least hip score and eye cert. see here

i agree with others that say that a reputable breeder would be unlikely to sell to you directly before xmas, but would hold the puppy until afterwards. Xmas is not a good time to bring in a new puppy anyway - it s very hard to get a good start to housetraining etc with a house full of visitors or going out and about.

Theantsgomarching · 02/11/2010 13:29

I thought a puppy would be better as it would grow up with the kids etc, I would be a little nervous of a rescue dog because you would not know the dogs history etc.

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EdgarAirbombPoe · 02/11/2010 13:34

a sensible rescue person would not home a dog with you if they didn't think they'd be fine with kids. In a way you are more likely to have problems with excited young pups than a dog that is already used to children.
An awful lot is down to you and how well you manage children & puppy.

WoodRose · 02/11/2010 13:38

Theantsgomarching - many rescues put their dogs in foster homes so they come "road tested" with children and other animals.

Theantsgomarching · 02/11/2010 13:39

Vallhalla - so just because I want the dog as a present somehow means that the dog won't have a good loving home?

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LtEveDallas · 02/11/2010 13:42

WoodRose - I know, he is sooo lovely, but looks so scared Sad. I'm not sure he could cope with my over excitable mutt or just as excitable DD

Our lovely mutt (supposed to be collie X springer, but looks more like there is some lurcher or whippet in the mix!) was dumped last Xmas, with her brothers and sisters, in a sports bag in a car park.

They were around 6 weeks old, likely younger, and all shivering and crying fit to burst.

Took a couple of weeks to build them up, and when we got her our mutt was so clingy and desperate for warmth that she slept on my chest for the first 3 days. Even now she hates being left alone, and will cry outside the loo if she thinks she has been left (its like having another toddler!)

This is the only reason we are dithering over Alfee. We def want another dog, but dont know how our mutt will react (she loves pups but is very submissive with anything bigger), or how Alfee will cope with our DD......decisions, decisions!

LtEveDallas · 02/11/2010 13:47

Ants, that's not what Vallhalla is saying - Breeders wont sell over Xmas in case the recipient doesnt really want a dog. Lots of cases of people misguidedly buying dogs as presents, to find out that actually it was a terrible gift.

Could you wait till after Xmas? Rescue Centres always have TONNES of dogs needing homes in January for this very reason (and sadly also in Jul from people who dont want to have to pay for Kennels when going on their holidays Sad). In Jan I would bet my last quid you would easily get a puppy.......

Theantsgomarching · 02/11/2010 13:56

thanks, I do understand the problem unwanted gifts must cause. May wait till January so..just thought it would make for a lovely surprise gift

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WoodRose · 02/11/2010 14:00

LtEveDallas - We have a very gentle, very balanced 12year old male collie who is bombproof with other dogs. However, we live in London which,imo, is very stressful for a lot of dogs (not to mention their owners!)and, like you, we have 2 energetic dc. I don't know how the poor fella would cope. Apparently, he was left on his own a lot and has developed quite severe separation anxiety. His owners dumped him because he was barking and chewingSad.

bogie · 02/11/2010 14:01

I use epupz.co.uk

LtEveDallas · 02/11/2010 14:05

Ants, it is a lovely gift - so how about buying a toy dog, with a tag on his collar "I come to life in January"

This is what we did with DD. Had chosen and reserved our Mutt, but she was not ready/strong enough to come in December. We bought DD a black and white beanie baby pup and did the tag.

When we went to collect our mutt we didnt tell DD where we were going, but made sure she had seen the toy dog in the morning.

When we got to the fosterers house and she first saw our Mutt she realised what we had done.

OK a little silly for an adult, but the fact you have changed your mind on this could really mean something to him?

WoodRose · 02/11/2010 14:05

Theantsgomarching - you could give him a dog/ breed training manual and some doggie accessories with a "voucher" from you for a dog. That way he would have a surprise on Christmas day.

wildfig · 02/11/2010 14:12

The breed club will usually know more about a specific breeder than the Kennel Club, who are really just a registration service. They'll also have a puppy list of breeders who have planned litters (unlikely to be any over Christmas, for reasons already mentioned) as well as contacts in the breed rescue, who could put you together with a ready-house-trained, needy dog. Please don't think all dogs in rescue are there because they've got problems in their history; a growing number are loving family dogs, whose owners have divorced, or had to move house/work in the recession. Many are given up very reluctantly.

bogie I'd be very wary of epupz. I know a couple of good breeders who make a point of advertising on it to show the glaring difference between a responsibly bred puppy and the poor farmed litters. There are a LOT of puppy farmers on there.

Vallhala · 02/11/2010 14:13

Thank you LtEve.

Ants, no that is not what I was saying at all. I'm making no judgement on you one way or the other in this respect. I am saying that a breeder worth his salt won't sell over Christmas and neither will they sell to someone who is buying a dog as a present. Both of these are admirable morals in a dubious trade.

Your comment re a rescue dog being without history is a shockingly common misconception held by people who often frankly just haven't done their homework.

Many rescue dogs come from family homes. Sometimes this is as a result of marital breakdown or of losing a home/moving house. Other times it's due to idiots dispensing with their dog because the woman is pregnant or has a baby or toddler. Some may be rehomed as they don't get on with another dog in the house or owing to allergy in the family. Thus many rescue dogs do come with a history.

A reputable rescue will assess all their dogs before offering them to new homes too.
A dog from a responsible rescue will also be neutered, vaccinated, microchipped and matched to the new owner and vice versa, bringing with him lifetime support from the rescue and an agreement that the rescue will take the dog back should the owner not be ablt to keep him, even if that's in 10 years time.

Some rescues, especially the larger ones such as the RSPCA and Wood Green, often have a blanket ban on homing to families with young children. This is often not the case with smaller rescues who are frequently more willing to judge on a case by case basis and not reject those with children under a certain age out of hand. It's always worth asking - don't be deterred if the first rescue you approach says no to those with DC.

I must argue one thing that LtEve has said. Another common misconception is that rescue is full after Christmas.

The sad reality is that rescue is most full just before Christmas as owners dump their dogs to save money and spend it instead on the new Wii for the kids, or to replace the old dog with a Christmas puppy.

Each year thousands of dogs are killed in pounds on a weekly basis purely because they have no home to go to... but never more often than at Christmas. When the credit crunch first hit in 2 years ago I was working til 4 and 5 most mornings to find rescue places for dogs due to die at 9am that same day. Rescue was on it's knees and just couldn't cope with the sheer number of dogs not just coming from pounds as strays but being handed in by their owners too.

One of those was a long haired white German Shepherd, an old boy of about 10 or 11, who was 80% or so blind and as gentle as a lamb. I literally saved him from the vets needle - he was about to be put to sleep within a minute of my stepping in. When I spoke to the pound manager about him she said with the confidence of one who has seen it all before, "He was a stray, he'll have been thrown out to make way for this years puppy.".

I've no doubt she was right... I've seen it all before too.

Vallhala · 02/11/2010 14:15

Agree with Wildfig, there are a lot of puppy farmers on epupz. I wouldn't touch any breeder with a bargepole, obviously, but I certainly wouldn't touch nor suggest anyone went near epupz.

Theantsgomarching · 02/11/2010 14:18

You are right Valhalla - I have that assumption about some rescue dogs because I haven't researched it. I am still pretty sure it is the case some of the time. However, I totally take your point that the shelter would not give such a dog to a young family. I have 2 dc's under 3.

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wildfig · 02/11/2010 14:20

val that was my polite description of epupz. Wink

Vallhala · 02/11/2010 14:32

:o *wildfig:

Ants, I know a few rescues which will rehome to those with young children. Looking at your profile, I see you're in the NW... I don't know how far out Cynthia of North East Springer Spaniel Rescue goes these days, but her rehoming area used to be quite wide. I'd say it's worth calling and asking. Here's her policy on rehoming with children - I think you might like it. :)

NESSR does not have a blanket ban on rehoming dogs to homes with young children, this is because we believe that some dogs will be happy and indeed thrive in the company of a young family. However not all dogs are suitable to be homed with children and therefore each dog is individually assessed. When deciding if a dog is suitable to live with a child we look at a number of issues

  1. The dogs history: Do we have a full and trustworthy history of that dog. If the answer is no then we will not allow dogs with no history to be homed with children. This particularly applies to strays where we have a blanket policy of not homing this group of dogs with children.

  2. Has the dog lived successfully with young children. We may know the dogs history so we will look at the reason they were rehomed and if they lived happily with young children. Some of our dogs have unfortunately been pestered by children and show signs of stress around children therefore we find child-free homes for these dogs.

  3. Has the dog got any history of aggression. It could simply be that they guard toys, food etc but have not bitten. It would be irresponsible of us to rehome these dogs with children but many can go on to successful forever homes in an adult only environment.

  4. Temperament: Is the dog nervous, shy, quiet etc? a poorly socialised dog may find children too much. Is the dog very exciteable, boisterous, poorly trained? A springer can jump up, barge past and easily knock over small children.

If we have any doubts or concerns about how well a dog might live with children we have to err on the side of caution. We can not risk a dog injuring a child as that is devastating for the child and could lead to the dog being put to sleep. If you have children and are looking to rehome a NESSR dog we ask that you are patient, dogs that are suitable to live with young children are in high demand therefore you will no doubt have a wait before a suitable companion is found for your family.

Visiting Children
Even if your own children are dog savvy sometime visiting children are not used to dogs and may not understand how to interact properly with your canine companion. If you are an adult only home but have children who visit your home regularly please ensure that we know that when we are carrying out your homecheck. It is important that we take this into account when rehoming a dog. Visiting children need to be aware of how to treat and interact with a dog. Therefore if you don?t have children of your own but do have regular visitors who are children we will ensure that the dog we home with you will be able to cope with this.

Theantsgomarching · 02/11/2010 14:39

Thanks Vallhala - I'll look into it.

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LtEveDallas · 02/11/2010 14:45

Val, I hear what you are saying - and you are right, it's just not something I had considered.

I was only going by what I was told when we were first looking - when we contacted them we said that we wouldn't want one before Xmas as we had a lot of travelling to do so it wouldnt be fair on the dog and the lady who runs the rescue told us that if we wanted to wait she would have an influx of dogs in Jan (and explained why).

As it happens we 'chose' our MuttDog (she does have a real name, promise!) from those dogs she already had, and picked her up when she was stronger.

Broke my heart to only take one....

WoodRose - I'm in the very fortunate position that I am able to take my dog(s) to work with me, so any dog I do get would spend hardly any time alone (and of course would be with MuttDog all the time). We are surrounded by fields and walk 3 times a day (once with a pack).

He would also need to make friends with my bosses 2 Rotties, 2 Cockers and colleagues 4 Springers!! Again, it could all be too much for him tho. I just want to give him a chance.

Mind you, talking about him is just making me want him more. I reckon we might just go on a visit this weekend!