Mumsnet on The Bubble!

[LadyThompson]

Mumsnet was just on The Bubble as a question! Justine was interviewed. Anyone watching?

Jane Eyre, not Jany....

VC's duplicate-apology-on-both-threads strategy smacks of a weirdly desperate need to be liked even by the targets of her "comic" rants.

Didn't watch it, can't be arsed. DP and I don't watch telly anyway, we just sit on the sofa of an evening congratulating ourselves for being parents, then go to bed.

Dorthea about congratulating ourselves for being parents, then go to bed....

Must get Peter Snow on for web chat on for his swing meter thing. Or is it Jon .

I don't have any children despite trying for more than 2 years. It really bugs me how so many journos seem to think mumsnet is only for mums but I suppose that's because it's called 'mumsnet' so perhaps it is misleading.

woops, just saw the apology

VCoren, nothing says I'm sorry like giving a MN poster your brother's phone number. Alright? MNHQ will give you my email. We'll say no more about it after that. All forgiven, yes?

join the fecking queue, SoH..I asked first.

Hi Len, lol re swingers

Well, apparently the Tories need to gain 130 seats in this election to have an overall majority. If you add up the majorities in the 130 most marginal seats in which the Tories were second in 2005, that comes to 387,457 (so I underestimated by a factor of, um, four ).

In my defence, the Tories need an unusually big swing in this election.

The swing to Labour was huge in 1997 - but they didn't need all those votes; most of them were superfluous. They only needed the ones that actually brought them the working majority.

Yes, but what about the various boundary changes? My constituency is changing. Had nice, helpful, clean bill of health on expenses, Labor MP. Now being switched to another ward with Liberal Democrat MP He is fairly sensible and good constituent MP, but point being that traditional Labor area is being mingled.

hahaha at VC apology. [disclaimer: did not see bubble and have no idea what it is]

But that 'little girl kiss kiss kiss, don't be mad at me' narrative. Ho hum: we've all played that one too, mostly BEFORE we Joined the Darkside. When, after we'd crossed the border, we realised how much our younger selves despised mothers because we feared what we might become, we slowly started to realise the vapid airheads we used to be were much less interesting than women who have more to say than witter and more to flaunt than giggles.

It's a fun role to play when you're in it, feeling like you run the world. The reality is though it's all a performance built on weakness.

Come and join us here on the darkside: it's far more entertaining.

become them

1. Thought VC a twat
2. Programme was a bit lame
3. Like reg and dave, hadn't heard of vc
4. quietly impressed by vc's apology. I can't think of her as a twat any more

Hmm yes ILove about boundary changes. I nearly went cross-eyed totting up those majorities - don't ask me to come up with an algorithm for boundary changes as well. Suspect psephology is not my calling. (But as I understand it, the boundary changes in the last ten years or so have hugely favoured Labour overall - Cons have been left with lots of huge redundant majorities, whereas the Labour vote has been spread out in a way likely to win them more seats.)

Oh and before I went all boring again, meant to say the Bubble is REPEATED tonight at 10.45 if you want to get outraged all over again.

Did you feel like that about mothers before you were one, Wilf? I didn't. Just thought they were ordinary ppl, but with children.

I didn't despise mothers before I became one. But I'm not sure they were brilliantly visible to me if you know what I mean.

(Have noticed many times when taking a pushchair on the tube that women in their twenties seemed to be the group least likely to see me struggling up the stairs with a buggy.)

No, not exactly. I did fear them though and sometimes that is pretty similar. I think it is about wanting to hold onto youth or summat.

Maybe I'm projecting . But I do think the relationship between non-mothers and mothers (and grandmothers) is pretty interesting and complex.

You feared mothers?

Must admit, I never gave them a second thought.

i've been envious of mothers for my entire life, funnily enough. my fear was that i wouldn't become one, not that i would. and of course, with pcos, two ectopic pregnancies and one fallopian tube before having dd1, this did actually look like the more likely outcome. utterly terrifying.

anyway, she was born in '73, time's a tickin'... i believe her apology, however naff she sounded (and she surely did) i reckon that was the baby hunger speaking.

when I was in in my 20s I sort of though ''aw bless' at mothers.
I had babay hunger myself, but I also remember really sniping at mothers at work who booked time off automatically at every school holiday period (even when their children were teenagers) and left promptly at 6pm.......

excuse me? ladythompson, VC was the one who mentioned that we were lucky etc.
i thoroughly object to your telling me off when i was merely acknowledging, like VC herself, that her naff chat on the bubble came from envy rather than distaste. i was disagreeing with will's thesis that she is clinging onto her youth in being nasty about mothers and proposing that it came from baby hunger. i've been there and had it and it's doesn't make you say nice things...