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113 replies

topcat2014 · 14/07/2026 22:28

Do we really believe that none of the half million licence fee payers who stopped paying are not watching any live television?

94% use bit 80% pay.

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GallopingConsumption · 15/07/2026 11:37

I live alone. There is no discount for a single adult home.

Why the fuck should I pay yet another Single Tax?

TheeNotoriousPIG · 15/07/2026 12:20

I don't watch live TV or iPlayer, or have a licence... mainly because the BBC doesn't produce enough programmes that I would watch.

I think that a monthly subscription would be better, like Netflix, where I drop in and out every so often, depending on what's on.

Fifthtimelucky · 15/07/2026 12:23

I don’t deny that there are some people who don’t need a television licence and I am aware that younger people have very different viewing habits from mine.

But I also think there are many who do need licences but don’t buy one, justifying their decision on the grounds that they watch live television only occasionally, or that they think the licensing model is wrong, or that they don’t approve of the BBC.

I do agree that the current licensing model no longer works as well as it used to and think it should be replaced. But while we have it, we should comply with its requirements.

clearlyy · 15/07/2026 12:23

I watch YouTube and Netflix. Do not watch live tv, therefore don’t pay the subscription fee. I don’t watch live streams either.

bronnibro · 15/07/2026 12:24

I've paid it for years, I recently cancelled a few months ago, I hardly use it, don't have the time! But when I do want to watch TV I can always find anything about anything on YouTube, seen some great documentaries on there, I also have prime TV for movies etc , I think they should match the other providers have a monthly/annual fee for people who want to sign up to the content, like Netflix, it's the only subscription that you have to actively unsubscribe from, or possibly face legal action! You don't have to inform netflix do you that you don't fancy there subscription right now 😂

SqueakyFromme · 15/07/2026 12:27

clearlyy · 15/07/2026 12:23

I watch YouTube and Netflix. Do not watch live tv, therefore don’t pay the subscription fee. I don’t watch live streams either.

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@Fifthtimelucky Capita are currently recruiting 'Television Licence Field Officers' you sound like the ideal candidate

@clearlyy sorry I quoted you by mistake !

KittyCorncrake · 15/07/2026 12:49

The last thing I’d want to watch is the BBC ‘news’ which is completely biased and ignores anything the gvt is scared to reveal -ag Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry.
I was disgusted by the scaremongering during Covid that terrified the gullible and elderly, the ridiculous waste of sending numerous people unnecessarily to Glastonbury, the appalling anti-semitism.

The BBC is just a way to remunerate otherwise unemployable Oxbridge English graduates. The fact that Newsnight, supposed to be a serious program, gave airtime to Binface (without revealing that he used to work for it of course) should be enough for anyone to cancel their licence fee.

Ncforthis2267 · 15/07/2026 12:56

So glad I've not paid since about 2005 when I hear the likes of Scott mills was being paid nearly A MILLION BLOODY POUNDS a year for 2 hours of drivel 5 days a week.

Maybe I'm just a bit dim, but I honestly don't understand why a radio DJ is worthy of anything much above minimum wage. They do bugger all.

SqueakyFromme · 15/07/2026 13:10

@Ncforthis2267 Totally agree, Linneker was on 1.75 million, then he took a 'pay cut' to 1.63 million before he left

Friendlygingercat · 15/07/2026 13:13

Ive paid TV licence all my life. Even when I was a student living on a tough council estate and I was probably one of the few people paying I continued to have one. When I reached 75 I cancelled my licence, as they were then free to ALL over 75s.

Then they revoked that and said you have to be on pension credit. There is already resentment towards people on pension credit who never saved for their retirement and had to be subbed out.. Whereas people like me who were thrifty and saved in a modest occupational pension are paying full whack for everything.

Did they really think the over 75s who were not on the PC were going to begin paying again? I would like to bet that a lot of these people who are not paying are over 75s like me who got gypped. They can whistle for their money.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 15/07/2026 13:27

Salaries are a ridiculous reason to avoid the BBC.

People are worth precisely what someone is willing to pay them. Presumably the folk complaining about Lineker and so on would just immediately turn down an out of the blue £100,000 salary raise offer from their own employers exclaiming that as they've done nothing extraordinary to merit it, their employers are taking the piss.

If you aren't going to pay the licence, then there are myriad reasons for not doing so, content being terrible, uninteresting, biased news and current affairs reporting, abysmal lack of journalistic integrity and scrutiny, the BBC's indifference when it comes to anything other than Protected sports, or simply that you do not consider the output fair value for the cost, but you can hardly blame BBC employees for accepting contracts the BBC itself has deemed an appropriate investment based on merit and return. It's like arguing Brad Pitt should be paid minimum wage + expenses for a movie that grosses hundreds of millions because all he did was turn up and talk a bit on camera.

Secretseverywhere · 15/07/2026 13:31

Choux · 15/07/2026 08:56

I have a licence but no other subscriptions. There are a couple of BBC shows I like plus I sometimes use iPlayer. I think it should be a monthly licence fee rather than annual so you can drop in and out as required.

For those who don’t have a licence do you have a way to watch the World Cup matches or other sports events like Wimbledon? The news?

I read the news. Not overly interested in most sporting events but there is always the pub. For the World Cup I’ve had YouTube watch parties playing then watched highlights later.

I did have a tv licence for years but realised it was a waste as I only watched sewing bee / odd drama. I do think they should move to subscription model tbh. I would say most decent drama content on bbc gets sold to streaming services so I’ll get to watch it on Disney plus eventually.

SqueakyFromme · 15/07/2026 15:16

@XDownwiththissortofthingX I don't really agree with the Brad Pitt comparison, a 'Hollywood A Lister' is a guarantee that the production will gross a massive profit, hence the huge salary. So whilst the public pay to see Brad Pitt they have chosen to whereas BBC 'talent' is (over) paid whether the public like them or not, or perhaps everyone loved Gary Linneker? I don't really know about that

(ETA I usually agree with your posts on the BBC licence fee subject I recognise your username from previous posts)

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 15/07/2026 15:29

SqueakyFromme · 15/07/2026 15:16

@XDownwiththissortofthingX I don't really agree with the Brad Pitt comparison, a 'Hollywood A Lister' is a guarantee that the production will gross a massive profit, hence the huge salary. So whilst the public pay to see Brad Pitt they have chosen to whereas BBC 'talent' is (over) paid whether the public like them or not, or perhaps everyone loved Gary Linneker? I don't really know about that

(ETA I usually agree with your posts on the BBC licence fee subject I recognise your username from previous posts)

Edited

Well Lineker presented MOTD for 26 years, which is some uninterrupted run for any programme, and MOTD viewing figures dropped by 10% as soon as he left the show. So the BBC must have felt his contract was merited given his length of service and represented fair value for what he brought to their product.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 15/07/2026 16:12

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 15/07/2026 15:29

Well Lineker presented MOTD for 26 years, which is some uninterrupted run for any programme, and MOTD viewing figures dropped by 10% as soon as he left the show. So the BBC must have felt his contract was merited given his length of service and represented fair value for what he brought to their product.

I think another important question when it comes to a public broadcaster is what exactly their remit should be. Does it need to spend hundreds of millions on buying the rights to sporting events, when all of them would otherwise be avaialble elsewhere, though at lower cost if the BBC hadn't also been bidding up the price. Likewise, what is the benefit in producing so many 'light entertainment' shows, a space already more than filled by other broadcasters. News, current affairs, yes, I get that. Things that wouldn't necessarily be produced by a commercial organisation - history, science, tech, education, wildlife, health programmes - prime public sectpr broadcasting fodder. Likewise showcasing new or developing talent, events, sports that wopuldn't get mainstream coverage, issues that might not get airtime elsewere. But mainstream entertainment. sport, comedy, films all seem well served by other broadcasters, and often at less cost, pay as you go or even free.

SqueakyFromme · 15/07/2026 16:17

Personally I dont think they are talented enough to warrant that sort of salary, like i say that personal, and anyway, not funded by me either, millions must be happy to however.

SqueakyFromme · 15/07/2026 16:19

@XDownwiththissortofthingX 10% is quite piffling, perhaps due to deaths ?

DoAWheelie · 15/07/2026 16:32

Is it really that alien to think people might not watch live TV?

I haven't had live TV since 2009 when I realised I hadn't put it on in over a year and canceled my TV package and licence. My TV is only hooked up to my gaming consoles and I tend to play on those in the evenings rather than watch TV. Any TV I do watch is on Netflix or Disney+ but the majority of my watch time is on YouTube watching video essays.

I can't stand watching anything with adverts in as I get distracted and forget to pay attention again once they are over (ADHD) and most live channels also had very bad subtitles support (I'm deaf) so I just found myself using it less and less until I stopped. In the 15+ years since then, I never found a compelling reason to go back.

As for iPlayer - I've had a browse through it a few times when I stay at my mother's house and I've not found anything on there I wanted to watch that wouldn't eventually make it's way to another service that I do use.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 15/07/2026 16:38

SqueakyFromme · 15/07/2026 16:19

@XDownwiththissortofthingX 10% is quite piffling, perhaps due to deaths ?

I doubt that, because the drop occurred as soon as Lineker left the show, and even if it was a more gradual reduction, then you'd have to balance that off against the fact that as young people grow up and become more invested in football they'll naturally become new MOTD viewers and replace the old.

Remember, Lineker's removal from the BBC wasn't just a graceful retirement or moving on to pastures new, he made some observations about a geopolitical situation many people feel strongly about, and the BBC's response to that was to censor him and remind him BBC employees can not be seen to be impartial. So this can't really just be viewed in the context of MOTD alone, because Lineker's statements, the BBC's response to it, and Lineker leaving the channel will all undoubtedly have had the effect of more and more people losing confidence and/or interest in the BBC itself.

My personal biggest gripe with the BBC is it doesn't even understand the "impartiality" it consistently brandishes as it's main selling point. The BBC's mangled sense of "impartiality" means that it never challenges anything for fear of being seen as partial, and this includes journalists sitting back and permitting known liars to openly lie using the BBC as a medium to propagate those lies. Proper journalists look out of the window if someone tells them it's raining, the BBC just dutifully reports that a "source" (another bugbear. If your source is unwilling to be named, then they aren't remotely credible) has told them its raining and unquestioningly repeats this as news.

This is true whether the matter at hand is originating from the perceived Left or Right of politics, which is precisely why people of all political persuasions now consider the BBC to be biased, skewed, incapable of objectivity, and uninterested in truth, hence why you see people accuse the BBC of "antisemitism" despite rolling news coverage of perceived antisemitic attacks which isn't afforded to attacks on other ethnicities, and the fact they'll platform Tzipi Hotovely repeatedly, and allow her to sit and spew Likud and Israeli State propaganda while never challenging her over any of the blatant untruths coming out of her mouth, or asking her about any of the Israeli States myriad of crimes against humanity, their flagrant, long-standing disregard for International Law etc.

Nobody trusts the BBC anymore, and it's entirely their own fault. The reason I will not pay a licence fee under any circumstance is that I'm in Scotland, and their regional news output up here is so blatantly biased that they've recently taken to passing off confected Tabloid newspaper shit as news rather than reporting fact. It's baffling that the regional independent, STV, itself a tinpot outfit, still manages to put out far more even-handed content and displays a journalistic integrity BBC Scotland entirely lacks. I refuse to pay for State Propaganda presented by shills masquerading as an "impartial" news service.

Lentilcakes · 15/07/2026 18:03

I have a licence but I know that my DC when at uni, didn’t. One year they were ‘caught’ and only had to pay a couple of months until they moved house.

SqueakyFromme · 15/07/2026 18:03

@XDownwiththissortofthingX excellent post
ETA I knew GL had left under a cloud, that seems to be a pattern. Struggling to think of any others that left such a cushy very well remunerated job otherwise.

double0seven · 16/07/2026 07:55

CalmWriter · 15/07/2026 11:35

MIL hasn’t had one in 8 years, she watches live tv all day. She gets a threatening letter once every 4 or so months and ignores it.

I watch live TV and wouldn’t pay for one but DH pays it from his account so I just accept his irritating compliance.

Does your MIL break any other laws ?

SqueakyFromme · 16/07/2026 13:00

double0seven · 16/07/2026 07:55

Does your MIL break any other laws ?

Rap Sheet as long as her arm I expect

Patrickpickthepepper · 16/07/2026 13:08

topcat2014 · 14/07/2026 22:28

Do we really believe that none of the half million licence fee payers who stopped paying are not watching any live television?

94% use bit 80% pay.

Umm speak for yourself! I stopped paying 3 years ago because I refuse to pay for a service that I never watch - apart from Gavin and Stacey which I am gutted about still not having seen the latest Xmas special because clearly I can’t watch it without a license!

I do not watch ANY live tv and manly watch YouTube or on demand 4 and itv. And, if they start adding on a charge for Disney and Netflix, I won’t be subscribing to them again either.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 16/07/2026 13:40

double0seven · 16/07/2026 07:55

Does your MIL break any other laws ?

As far as I'm concerned, anyone consuming BBC content while refusing to pay the Licence is committing a public service, not an illegal act, because the more and more people who do this then then more likely it is the message will finally sink in that the Licence model is an outdated anachronism which urgently needs punting into the sea, and that the BBC needs to start living in the real world.

If the BBC considers streaming services and suchlike a "competitor", then there is no excuse whatsoever for the BBC to continue to badger Government to protect them from having to "compete" on an even footing. If the BBC is genuinely that great, and beloved and valued by so many, then it should thrive and prosper under a subscription model.

So I'm all for people refusing to pay the Licence regardless of whether they are actually watching live TV or otherwise, because some "Laws" are completely ridiculous and need to be broken on a point of principle.