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How to Get Filthy Rich

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SoManyTshirts · 08/07/2026 11:01

Looking forward to Gary Stevenson’s documentary on C4 tonight (Wednesday). I’ve been an admirer of his YouTube channel addressing inequality for a while and it will be interesting to see how his theories are received.

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JimBobsWife · 10/07/2026 07:35

SoManyTshirts · 09/07/2026 20:41

Money is just a means to trade resources. There is not an infinite amount of resources - land, housing, food, water, healthcare - and increasing inequality means that the super rich absorb too much whilst others are short-changed. The billionaire’s wealth was generated in part from the work of others who did not become wealthy (and may or may not have needed UC etc).

That’s a simplistic definition of capitalism. We trade many things that are not infinite, our skills for example. Billionaires become wealthy because they have ideas and set up businesses. If the people working for those billionaires are not paid enough they are free to sell their skills elsewhere.

Governments are mainly to blame for wealth inequality, not billionaires. Bassim Haidar touched on this at the start. Gary himself had a conversation with his Dad who was able to buy a house on one salary in the 80s. I would suggest what has gone wrong since then is government decision making.

Dilemma999 · 10/07/2026 09:38

It’s interesting from this thread that young people admire Gary Stevenson (and my dc friends admire him too). I think Gen Z can see quite clearly that they’re being screwed over in all sorts of ways and that inequality gaps are ever widening. I’m wondering how end stage capitalism is going to play out?

NorthXNorthWest · 10/07/2026 09:38

I was initially disappointed but, on reflection, I thought it was an interesting discussion, not so much because of the quality of the content, but because of what it told me about each of them and how it got me thinking about tax policy.

Dan came across as well informed, well researched, but also quite rigid, and very much an establishment man. To me, LVT feels deeply unimaginative and ideological. Gary, on the other hand, came across as a rigid idealist with a compelling vision, but one that still has some significant practical hurdles to overcome. At times it felt like they were having two different conversations. Dan also has a professional reputation to protect (IMO, his piece on LI was more of that), so I don't think anything particularly groundbreaking was ever likely to be achieved with cameras rolling. That's the conversation I'd really like to be a fly on the wall for.

I also think they both missed a trick. Given the audience the show was likely to attract, I'd have loved to have seen them tackle a much bigger challenge. More of a blue sky meets pragmatic realism style of problem solving. Forget arguing over one tax versus another. Could they actually put their differences aside to design a tax system that slows or puts a dent in the increasing wealth and influence that billionaires have, raises revenue efficiently, balances the burden fairly, is politically achievable, and is stable enough that governments don't keep tinkering with it every few years? That would have made a great two part documentary.

Because ultimately none of it really matters if you don't have a competent government. To me, that's a really big problem. I'd have liked to hear an honest assessment of the gap between what a competent government could look like versus where we are now when it comes to tax, public spending and redistribution. But that also was never going to happen on camera.

We spend huge amounts of time discussing how to change the behaviour of taxpayers, businesses and billionaires through the tax system. But where's the discussion about changing the behaviour of politicians? What incentives are there for governments to spend taxpayers' money efficiently rather than just coming back for more? What do they personally lose if their policies fail? They are generally well paid and largely insulated from the consequences of their own policies. Even worse, many retire on generous DB pensions, while the taxpayer picks up the bill when things go wrong.

NorthXNorthWest · 10/07/2026 09:44

Dilemma999 · 10/07/2026 09:38

It’s interesting from this thread that young people admire Gary Stevenson (and my dc friends admire him too). I think Gen Z can see quite clearly that they’re being screwed over in all sorts of ways and that inequality gaps are ever widening. I’m wondering how end stage capitalism is going to play out?

But isn't that ultimately what government is for? If governments do their job properly, do we ever have to reach what people call "end-stage capitalism"? Surely their job is to stop markets becoming so distorted that wealth and power become too concentrated in the first place.

Creating a bigger welfare state isn't the same as fixing the problem. At some point, someone still has to pay the bill. Surely the goal should be to build an economy where fewer people need long-term welfare in the first place, not one that becomes increasingly dependent on redistribution. If the economy isn't becoming more productive or creating more opportunities, the cost eventually catches up with everyone, often hitting young people the hardest because they haven't yet had the chance to build up any assets or wealth

SoManyTshirts · 10/07/2026 11:41

JimBobsWife · 10/07/2026 07:35

That’s a simplistic definition of capitalism. We trade many things that are not infinite, our skills for example. Billionaires become wealthy because they have ideas and set up businesses. If the people working for those billionaires are not paid enough they are free to sell their skills elsewhere.

Governments are mainly to blame for wealth inequality, not billionaires. Bassim Haidar touched on this at the start. Gary himself had a conversation with his Dad who was able to buy a house on one salary in the 80s. I would suggest what has gone wrong since then is government decision making.

I think we’re on broadly the same page. Employees are free to move, although immigration distorts the market - not everyone has the capacity to become highly skilled or to relocate, especially if also raising a family. The top income tax rate in 1985 was 60% not 45%. We had currency controls which kept money inside the country, until 1979 when Thatcher abolished them.

Poor decision making indeed.

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Piglet89 · 10/07/2026 23:59

NorthXNorthWest · 10/07/2026 09:38

I was initially disappointed but, on reflection, I thought it was an interesting discussion, not so much because of the quality of the content, but because of what it told me about each of them and how it got me thinking about tax policy.

Dan came across as well informed, well researched, but also quite rigid, and very much an establishment man. To me, LVT feels deeply unimaginative and ideological. Gary, on the other hand, came across as a rigid idealist with a compelling vision, but one that still has some significant practical hurdles to overcome. At times it felt like they were having two different conversations. Dan also has a professional reputation to protect (IMO, his piece on LI was more of that), so I don't think anything particularly groundbreaking was ever likely to be achieved with cameras rolling. That's the conversation I'd really like to be a fly on the wall for.

I also think they both missed a trick. Given the audience the show was likely to attract, I'd have loved to have seen them tackle a much bigger challenge. More of a blue sky meets pragmatic realism style of problem solving. Forget arguing over one tax versus another. Could they actually put their differences aside to design a tax system that slows or puts a dent in the increasing wealth and influence that billionaires have, raises revenue efficiently, balances the burden fairly, is politically achievable, and is stable enough that governments don't keep tinkering with it every few years? That would have made a great two part documentary.

Because ultimately none of it really matters if you don't have a competent government. To me, that's a really big problem. I'd have liked to hear an honest assessment of the gap between what a competent government could look like versus where we are now when it comes to tax, public spending and redistribution. But that also was never going to happen on camera.

We spend huge amounts of time discussing how to change the behaviour of taxpayers, businesses and billionaires through the tax system. But where's the discussion about changing the behaviour of politicians? What incentives are there for governments to spend taxpayers' money efficiently rather than just coming back for more? What do they personally lose if their policies fail? They are generally well paid and largely insulated from the consequences of their own policies. Even worse, many retire on generous DB pensions, while the taxpayer picks up the bill when things go wrong.

@NorthXNorthWestthis is one of the best posts I’ve read on Mumsnet. 👏

Theyreeatingthedogs · 11/07/2026 00:11

SwedishEdith · 08/07/2026 22:08

He was on that programme last year where they handcuffed people together for a week or so. He was horribly racist.

He's a dickhead. Too thick to get into Eton and failed to get into the army twice. He lets his dogs shit on the house floor and lie on the table. But he's UPPER class!!!!!!!

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