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Eurovision 2026 Final Thread 3

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RedToothBrush · 16/05/2026 23:22

Go.

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Pipsquiggle · 17/05/2026 07:12

Our staging has been crap for a number of years now. Why?
I don't know why we don't do better at this element - the UK has amazing tech people.

Last night we were turning over tables
Last year the 3 girls were dancing around a mirror.
Olly Alexander's staging had promise apart from the overt sexualised nature of it on family TV
Mae Muller - I have seen better secondary school productions

Why are we so rubbish at this at Eurovision?

EurovisionFanGirl · 17/05/2026 07:33

Good morning. I’m not a poster on the live threads - too focused on the competition but catching up this morning.

So first of all that was a big surprise. No one on my various Eurovision fan bubbles had been predicting Bulgaria although the odds did shoot up to 3rd after the semi.

Secondly it was a great performance. Not my favourite song but great fun and so well executed. Fair play to them.

But here is where I am becoming cynical. The juries put her 5th in her semi final. She won it comfortably on the public vote. Just wondering if there is some sort of jury vote manipulation going on.

I loved our song and thought the performance and staging was good. I did think it was marmite and that that might work in our favour for a few public votes. Obviously not. I guess we don’t have any reliable voting friends. Look at Greece and Cyprus. And the Scandinavian countries. That sort of support does lift you off the bottom of the board at least. There were a few countries who got zero with the public, it wasn’t just us but it stings.

I am pleased for Italy (5th) and Denmark (7th) doing as well as they did and Finland (6th) and Australia (4th) must be disappointed after all the hype even though they did very respectably.

The jury votes were very split and unpredictable. The range between no 2 and 7 in the jury was quite tight 165 - 133. The favourites were up there but close together.

Finland and Australia were 8th and 9th with the public so just not capturing the imagination enough. Israel was third so not such a surge as last year. And Bulgaria was head and shoulders above everyone else. The public must like a bit of controversy as Romania was second.

Back to one of my favourites who went out in Semi Final 2 - Switzerland would have qualified if it was just the public or just the juries - came 9th in both. I guess that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

spoooooons · 17/05/2026 07:33

I remember reading an article about Sam Ryder's entry and how the Eurovision team had actively decided to change their strategy in order to do better, and it worked. But now we seem to have gone back to the usual shit 😂
Hosting is expensive so we probably don't want to do that again any time soon in the current climate.

i thought our entry last night was absolutely cringey crap, and it wasn't even performed well.

I know we don't have neighbours or specific political allies that we can rely on for votes like some countries, but it's incredibly childish to think that "everybody hates us". Embarrassing.

p.s for a women's forum, all the boob chat last night about the winner (who had a decently catchy and unique song) was strange to say the least.

HoraceCope · 17/05/2026 07:38

it doesnt seem right that Israel was allowed to take part any way

Recklessismymiddlename · 17/05/2026 07:43

My top 5 had been Bulgaria, France, Israel, Sweden, & Denmark, so hadn’t guessed badly, though I did think Sweden would do better on the leader board. Wasn’t impressed with the U.K. entry.

BreatheAndFocus · 17/05/2026 08:09

The U.K. entry was absolutely cringeworthy. I could hardly watch. Why on why don’t we take Eurovision more seriously and put in a proper song? I feel sorry for the guy but everything about it was misjudged.

I liked Bulgaria a lot and thought it was very catchy, but my top 5 were Croatia (atmospheric and hypnotic), Finland (amazing violin melody), Australia (very much of a type but a real belter), Albania and Sweden.

There was a good variety of songs, I thought. I loved seeing how the public votes shook up the jury votes!

PistachioTiramisu · 17/05/2026 08:21

I haven't read all the posts but just wanted to share my thoughts.

I think we should go back to the public voting for the song they want to represent the UK. In the 70s/80s there used to be a programme on Saturday evenings (A Song for Europe) and each week one song would be performed. After 6 weeks the public voted for their favourite.

I also think the ESC should go back to basics - a singer/group, a song, an orchestra and SOME background stuff, not the over the top lighting, outfits, noise and 'designed to shock' effects. It is about the song, not the staging.

It's an absolute bore now and I thought most of the songs were just awful - strangely I quite liked ours (probably because I am a Germanophile though!).

Humdingerydoo · 17/05/2026 08:25

Happyjoe · 17/05/2026 00:47

You could google and look for the images?

What images are you suggesting I Google? I'm genuinely confused by this.

PearlClutzsche · 17/05/2026 08:27

This thread has been disappointingly sexist. 😒
My two DDs both voted (in our family voting game) for Bulgaria. I voted them second.
None of us have any interest in a singer’s bust size!

Our song was utterly shit. The guy had no live singing ability whatsoever.
I did like the furry monitors, though!

strangely I quite liked ours (probably because I am a Germanophile though!)

But Germany didn’t even vote for it!

PistachioTiramisu · 17/05/2026 08:29

PearlClutzsche · 17/05/2026 08:27

This thread has been disappointingly sexist. 😒
My two DDs both voted (in our family voting game) for Bulgaria. I voted them second.
None of us have any interest in a singer’s bust size!

Our song was utterly shit. The guy had no live singing ability whatsoever.
I did like the furry monitors, though!

strangely I quite liked ours (probably because I am a Germanophile though!)

But Germany didn’t even vote for it!

I know Germany didn't vote for it - I am just saying I like all things German!

BeardofHagrid · 17/05/2026 08:30

Thank god we brexited. Wouldn’t want to be tied to a continent that hates us.

Cailleach1 · 17/05/2026 08:32

2021x · 17/05/2026 00:55

Yeah I am always uncomfortable when a man calls a woman a bitch due to the loaded history of that word. I am sure that in his sub-culture he thinks its cute, but he is still a man using a slur to a woman that in the past has been used to precede harm.

When he was yelling his ‘b&tch, b&tch’, she should have gone ‘you pr&ck, pr&ck’.

Not really, but he was rather a ‘pr&ck’ with his repeatedly yelling ‘b&tch’ at a woman.

HoraceCope · 17/05/2026 08:32

interesting tha t many of the songs in the interval were british though
we werent always hated
brexit made it worse
and i wonder if the dissolution of ussr made a difference also

spoooooons · 17/05/2026 08:33

BeardofHagrid · 17/05/2026 08:30

Thank god we brexited. Wouldn’t want to be tied to a continent that hates us.

Oh get a grip, we're not that special.

silverrobot · 17/05/2026 08:39

I liked Eins, Zwei, Drei, but it suffered vocally in the mix and he just didn't have enough oomph. Plus it looked as if it was staged for a highschool rock eisteddfod.

RedToothBrush · 17/05/2026 08:44

Some reflections.

The UK entry: It could have been everyone's eleventh fav artist. Not least fav. And still come last. It DID go down amazingly well in the arena. I don't think you can overlook this. A lot of us really liked it for being different.

What issues did it have?

  1. it was punk pop - it's not musically technical nor classically aesthetic. It was a quirky entry and the problem with that is they rarely do well in the jury vote
  2. his vocals weren't great on Thursday. They were better tonight but we don't know if they were ropy at the jury final on Friday. There's every chance he could have fluffed it. That means you aren't hitting the points the jury's score on.
  3. the lyrics were problematic and made references that unless you were British you possibly wouldn't understand. A Pony for example. This is a cultural issue. Our lyrics were unlucky to have cultural appeal outside the UK. We forget that shared cultural understanding matters.
  4. he had no momentum in the run up. He didn't do the euro pre party tour. If you want to win this is a must. It sets up all your publicity and fan traction.
  5. the fact he literally had a baby a month ago is less than ideal in this context. The six week run in to Eurovision is massive. He wasn't doing the media run.

If you want to win you have to get both the jury and the public onside (stating the obvious but needs to be pointed out in terms of selection. It was an entry that never could have won).

It was a departure from our ultra boring entries which are safe and won't win either. That's a plus. If we are going to do badly let's have fun anyway.

I think this year the BBC just wanted an entry that wasn't going to court controversy.

Bulgaria are interesting because no one saw it coming. It was so well done though. The staging was simple and the choreography excellent. She belted it and didn't miss a note or breathe. These are all things the jury do look for. The song was catchy and bad wide cultural appeal (it had a Turkish / north African/ almost Bollywood vibe to it so it's going to appeal to a lot of different parts of Europe).

When I looked at the betting on Thursday it was nowhere. By close of the final it was third. That means it had huge momentum and traction between Thursday and Saturday. It must have been genuinely popular.

We joked about a couple of very obvious things. But honestly I think it was also a case of playing to obvious strengths too (she can't do anything about her boobs, so why not just go with it? It's nice that she has the confidence to do it. I don't like dancing etc because I have a similar issue).

The thing is Eurovision's audience isn't really heterosexual males. Men do watch with their wives and family but they aren't the main voters.

I voted for it. It was catchy, well done and professional. It had real technical difficulty to it too which I recognise. I normally really dislike the dance troop style numbers. It stood out against the other entries which were ballad heavy and tbh a little unoriginal. Everyone is bored of the heavy operatic style I think. Finland didn't quite have that something I was looking for tbh. Australia was very good but also was very unoriginal and a bit dry really.

Re voting system changes. It really changed how I voted this year. In previous years I'd have maybe done one telephone vote. It's a faff to ring up. I thought it would be harder to vote online and enter card details (you can use apple pay etc set up on your phone but I used my laptop).

The way it's set up means it was as easy to vote ten times as it is to vote once. And because it shows you all the contestants who you just 'add to basket' it lends itself to you voting for more than one artist. I really like this. I spread voted. By the time you have made the effort to vote, you may as well spend £1.50 rather than 15p. I didn't vote in the semis and I think most people don't - there's different voting patterns for the two. I think this makes it a lot harder to predict the results which is good. It has been frustrating the last couple of years in its predictability.

The UK model is how Eurovision wants voting in every country going forward. Not everyone has moved from phone to online system yet. I think it's good for the contest.

One final thing re Israel. Politically I'm fairly neutral on the subject. I think Israel is in the wrong but I very much see Hamas as a significant and on going issue. The conflict's roots go back generations and unpicking any sense of right or wrong in it, is frankly somewhat hopeless and pointless. Israel inclusion in the competition I see arguments for and against - their inclusion is helping to protect the free media in Israel in a way that's too often overlooked. But I really don't like how it's being used a propaganda either. My experience in Malmö was it felt like being caught up in someone else's domestic argument. It ruins what should be a fun night and a sense of bridging political divides. I'm very aware that Israel winning any time soon will kill the contest off which I really don't want. I don't think it's helpful to actual wider politics. I don't think this is really appreciated or said in conversations.

What really upset me last year was I was getting paid for adverts through MN itself. I screenshot it and posted it. It was happening. (This year I've had Swarovski adverts! The product placement is effective)That felt like cheating and against the spirit of the contest. It was the final straw after a number of incidents. It was about voting for a country because of your political beliefs not because you actually like the song. It feels like cheating. I want a Song Contest. That's it. That killed me having much sympathy for the way Israel's contestants have been booed tbh. That's going to happen now because of everything, either get on with it or don't compete. And this is after what was done personally to Joost Klein which was shameful on Eurovision's part without considering the motivation of the Israeli delegation

(I have said previously one of my friends is Dutch, and has inside knowledge of the Dutch music scene and warned ahead of the contest that he was vulnerable and would struggle with it. This was widely known and Klein had got the Dutch broadcaster to write in protection clauses in his contract which Israeli journalists flouted without regard and Eurovision failed to acknowledge their duty of care to Joost on this matter because they were too busy only trying to protect the Israeli entry. It's interesting to note that Sam Battle has said this year the BBC put him through a resilience test before his ultimate selection. This is new.)

It will take me a long time to get over what I see as something of a deliberate hijacking by the Israeli government. It's a betrayal of the idea of the contest. This absolutely is not remotely anti-semitic. It's a classic alienation process from your own hand. As a political neutral Israel's behaviour regarding the song contest itself affects how I view their song and whether I would consider voting for it - the Israeli government buying adverts poisoned their own well and undermined themselves. Objectively, their entry this year was average and nothing special. It's not worthy of second. I just want to move past the whole bullshit and get back to the fun.

Last night was nerve-wracking. We cheered Bulgaria winning here, because it meant a good song won (we all liked even if it wasn't our Fav which was Moldova) and because it meant the contest survived another year. Just. I think there's a somewhat silent majority of Eurovision fans who fall into the same camp as me in this view and have become more or less Anyone But Israel to win by begrudging default even though we want to stay out of the whole damn argument. This point needs to be verbalised and said.

I also think the result will not help get Iceland, Ireland, The Netherlands, Spain or Slovakia to return next year. This upsets me. I want them back.

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RedToothBrush · 17/05/2026 08:48

HoraceCope · 17/05/2026 08:32

interesting tha t many of the songs in the interval were british though
we werent always hated
brexit made it worse
and i wonder if the dissolution of ussr made a difference also

No it was fuck all to do with Brexit.

It's about how the song contest works and is scored. Every year we try this line. It's still nonsense.

We lost because we didn't enter the best song. We came last because it was a song that wasn't enough of a favourite. It doesn't mean it was a 'bad song' either.

We were never going to win with it and when you think about it, it's not hard to work out why it didn't score well.

I wanted it to do better. It's a shame it didn't. It wasn't the weakest song, but it's a song that would struggle to score on any criteria. There's a difference.

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HoraceCope · 17/05/2026 08:52

thanks for your opinion @RedToothBrush
you cannot deny the politicalization of the voting - you just know who is going to vote for their neighbour

RedToothBrush · 17/05/2026 08:54

spoooooons · 17/05/2026 07:33

I remember reading an article about Sam Ryder's entry and how the Eurovision team had actively decided to change their strategy in order to do better, and it worked. But now we seem to have gone back to the usual shit 😂
Hosting is expensive so we probably don't want to do that again any time soon in the current climate.

i thought our entry last night was absolutely cringey crap, and it wasn't even performed well.

I know we don't have neighbours or specific political allies that we can rely on for votes like some countries, but it's incredibly childish to think that "everybody hates us". Embarrassing.

p.s for a women's forum, all the boob chat last night about the winner (who had a decently catchy and unique song) was strange to say the least.

Why should boobs become an elephant in the room because it's a womans forum. The routine and her costume emphasised the bounce. It was probably deliberate and incorporated which from a staging and performance angle has to be commented on. Did it take away? No. If anything it was slightly mesmerising. In a good way.

We have boobs. They bounce. Can we embrace it sometimes as a positive? I have big boobs. Should we only have none bouncing boobs on Eurovision?

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thecatsthecats · 17/05/2026 09:01

Looking back, I think I predicted the top 15ish correctly, with one exception.

A couple more points about our entry which made it stand out in a bad way - this was quite the year for hot men. When you have Finland, Norway, Denmark etc all strutting about in black leather, the pink jumpsuit stuck out like a sore thumb. Even Ferto fits the "bear" type if you take off the Tony the Tiger costume.

Then there was also his dancing - he couldn't do justice to the "slice of pepperoni" moves. Those really stood out as weak. If you can't dance, don't. And there was no SM dance move to copy.

It's a real shame, because bar Spaceman the song is much better than most of our past decade of entries. It just fit terribly into last night.

I think it's a good thing that we get more of a diverse spread of results now, and the juries have finally woken up to the quality of performance and "fun" for want of a better word.

I'm coming around to the idea that there needs to be a reinstatement of points 9 and 11. By skipping these points, the first choice song gets a four point boost over the third placed song, over what could be a very slim margin indeed.

I would even go further and say score from 15 down to one, but can see why they wouldn't want to lose "douze points".

And lastly Austria were absolutely pants at hosting. It would be a mediocre effort on a regular year, but for the 70th it was unforgivably weak.

thecatsthecats · 17/05/2026 09:11

HoraceCope · 17/05/2026 08:52

thanks for your opinion @RedToothBrush
you cannot deny the politicalization of the voting - you just know who is going to vote for their neighbour

But that's not politicisation in my view.

With an open border and frequent trains, these aren't just neighbours, they're friends - culturally and socially. The votes typically aren't "I think Moldova is better because I want to promote regional commerce interests".

It's "oh man, my cousin in Chisinau has played this song and my Moldovan nan loves it because she celebrates the revolution".

People need a reason to vote for a song and there's no way of voting against one. Voting for your friends and cultural neighbours or voting for political reasons (a statement against the war in Ukraine) still requires factors such as good singing, good staging, good songs and attractive performers. We can do all of the other factors, even if we can't get friends/political votes.

Out of all those factors, we only had a good song. And I could still pick at least 10 better songs. If you're not in the top 10, that's it.

McSteamyorMcdreamy · 17/05/2026 09:11

Boobs aside, did anymore else think the winner facial feature wise look really like Maura Higgins?!

nineteenpercent · 17/05/2026 09:27

Petrolitis · 17/05/2026 00:05

Really surprised by all the boob talk.

Yes she has large breasts, but she was a talented performer with a catchy song.

I'm not sure she should be reduced to her body parts.

Totally agree

Romeiswheretheheartis · 17/05/2026 09:31

Just seen a list of our results over the years, and the year after Engelbert came 25th we sent Bonnie Tyler (2013)! I have no recollection of her being our entry at all!

Iocanepowder · 17/05/2026 09:35

HoraceCope · 17/05/2026 07:38

it doesnt seem right that Israel was allowed to take part any way

Surely if they did win, they wouldn’t have been able to host it next year anyway?

And if someone volunteered to host it for them, they’d be at risk lf backlash as well.

I have to question if they should create a rule where any country who knows they would be unable to host the following year, should not be allowed to enter.