Panaroma - the rising cost of health

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I’m guessing it’s trying to be balanced but there are some interviewees that they appear to be deliberately showing in an unsympathetic light.

This feels like a bit like it was written by Kemi. Could have been so much more informative.

I thought it was a really interesting programme. It made the point that with PIP criteria, being prompted, ‘nudged’ to cook, clean, do the washing gives you two points. So if you had to be prompted to do the above you would quickly get to the eight points needed for PIP payments. How many people do you know that need ‘prompting’ to wash up, wash their sheets etc. This criteria is not sustainable. So many young people, old people need a bit of prompting to do these things.
also, so many people will see how easy it is to claim they need nudging and they too will feel left out if they don’t claim.

Can you elaborate OP? What about it was unfair?

MNers don’t tend to watch Panorama but a lot of politicians do watch. This programme will unsettle many of them.

The cost of £24 billion per annum made me feel quite sick to be honest.

I felt like I was watching a programme about scammers in the main.

Bar the women with MS I was 😮 and I am not a Reform or Tory voter
The ensuing righteous indignation in individuals who do support and vote for those two Parties was palpable.

Agree

I'm doubtful you should get financial help for needing prompting to do things

And it absolutely does breed a culture of others thinking well I should get this benefit, why aren't I getting this benefit and I can see why sometimes

I can imagine that once you're on benefits then a lot of people are going to find it very hard to come off them as well....

Especially young people if that's all they've known

You don’t get points on PIP for cleaning or doing the washing, this has nothing to do with PIP. You do get points if you need to be reminded to eat so that you don’t you know, starve and die. Slightly different

Also has nothing to do with washing sheets or washing up dishes 🙄 they are talking about washing your body and hair, needing to be told to do it or you wouldn’t realise you had to do it. please dont spread this misinformation

I don’t really trust Panaroma having been made aware of the dishonest job they did with their ADHD documentary.

@purpleme12 you dont get PIP for needing prompting to - wash up, wash your sheets, or clean your house.
PIP points would be for being prompted to wash yourself or your hair and remember to cook/prepare food because you need to eat.
Do people really believe claimants are getting money for washing up or cleaning their house? People who need full homecare don’t even get money for that

@Seedlingsparrow
you cannot claim because you “feel left out” you have to have actual proof of actual illness and impairment, give them a call and try it if you think its that easy

It was eye opening and sad. There does seems to be a lot of people gaming the system as it seems there are ways and means of answering the questions so you get enough points. I don't think the young woman with the SM account about ADHD and ASD came across at all well.i don't know if it was edited to make her sound like a grifter playing the system, or that she genuinely was as bad as she said. I don't know enough about it, but it did seem Panorama wanted us to think 'WTF' as she explained how she needed PIP because she forgets to get dressed whilst sat there with a face full of make up on.

interesting.
i hate panorama, i have always had hated the programme, stokes up the fire, in half an hour!

It's just more Daily Mail shite propaganda irresponsible bollocks to divide us and make us fight amongst ourselves. Fuck Panorama.

The programme made it clear that you are given PIP points for needing ‘nudging’ to do things. Most people need nudging at some time. It is not that the claimants can’t do these things but they sometimes forget. It was a difficult watch to see a young claimant who spent a lot of time on her hair and makeup. She clearly enjoyed dying her hair and applying her makeup but claimed that she could forget to eat so when she felt very hungry and realised that she hadn’t had breakfast, she popped out for pizza. This kind of payments for ‘nudging’ needs to be stopped.

I would have liked more stats, more data, more info on what the different political parties propose as an alternative etc. I like documentaries to be informative rather than sensationalist but I guess they only had 30 mins and are trying to make eye catching tv.

I thought this too. A cupboard full of ingredients and food, she knows what she has to do, yet It’s easier to pop to greggs and buy a slice of pizza?

I think people can lack personal responsibility and executive function. How we waken those skills is a tricky one.

We’re wrestling with extended family at the moment. 3 adults in a house where nothing is considered ahead of time. Two adults now have dementia. No one is worried about how the third adult will access money when the first adult can’t go out with him to the post office. They are resisting any reorganisation to give them more options. It’s like wading through treacle, there is no planning, no preparation. Everyone seems to live in the moment. Stocks of items build up in the garage because they no longer use it but still buy it every week. There are other siblings involved but they don’t have any sense of urgency either. Passive beyond belief. No benefits involved mind. Just that there’s a level of disfunction that’s hard to imagine.

I always thought the “reminding” criteria were put in place to help identify people with issues such as a disability or mild dementia that resulted in them neglecting some aspects of their lives.

I still think that’s the case, but like with everything else interpretation can often be different to original intent.

Watching Panorama is like reading the Daily Mail.

It’s a shame Panorama couldn’t do a programme about the lives of people with severely disabled children who have parents giving up their work and lives for these children and to show the damage that misinformation about ASD or any other disability does to those families’ lives.

Prompting isn’t ‘nudging’ it means you have to be encouraged to do a certain activity otherwise you wouldn’t do it at all.. so potentially going weeks without washing or dressing. The man at the end of the programme that said everyone needs prompting to do things, is wrong. Was he genuinely saying that he wouldn’t get dressed in the morning unless someone told him to?

Agree with previous poster it’s like watching the daily mail. Panorama used to decent. Now it’s benefits bashing

And all of the people making a living being paid to help claimants be successful in their PIP applications. It has become a cottage industry in itself.
I didn't see any 'benefits bashing' (a very Daily mail expression). I saw a carefully researched programme looking at why the current ever rising PIP payments cannot be sustained.